The Last Jedi TLJ vs RO

[spiderman2]

So I know there is a TFA vs RO thread so I figured there should be a TLJ vs RO thread to. So whitch one do you like more? For me this is easy. RO is the most overrated star wars movie ever made. TLJ is better in ever single way. I cant think of a single thing that RO does better. So TLJ by far.

 

[Reaver027]

Easy RO for me. Second best Star Wars Movie ever (can't really decide between ANH and RO). Only second to Empire.
In comparison TLJ is at the very bottom of my list.

 

[Agent Orange]

Tried to rewatch RO recently and I couldn't stay awake for it. Aside from Chirrut and Baze, all of the characters are empty tropes spouting empty platitudes. It's got the original trilogy aesthetic but I don't think that I've ever found the Galaxy Far, Far Away to be so sterile and small. It's better than all of the prequels, though.

 

[Abudefduf]

"Hope is the the feeling that what is wanted can be had or that events will turn out for the best!" - Either Jyn Erso or dictionary.com

The Last Jedi for me. It's not even a contest.

 

[Frodo]

Rouge One by far. Not even close.

Better story, more interesting new characters, a darker themes, stakes in which the heroes actually die, humor which fits with the circumstances , an intimidating empire, and Vader.

 

[DieSmiling]

Rogue One for me. Easily the best of the three movies in the Disney era.

 

[Snow Queen]

The Last Jedi. I have an abundance of issues with it, but nothing comes close to the issues I have with Rogue One. My frustrations with Last Jedi come because I like characters like Rey, who I feel is weirdly sidelined in the third act, and Finn and Rose, whose storyline I like more than most it seems but still feel was a missed opportunity. I can't say that about Rogue One. I like Chirrut, and I like Baze's relationship with Chirrut. Past that, I don't like any of these characters. And while I may have issues with TLJ's third act, the content that is there I really like, putting it leagues above the first act of Rogue One. Up until the destruction of Jedha, I feel Rogue One is a bit of a disaster. Multiple scenes to establish the same information that could be delivered in one or two, a team that feels unearned when they show affection for each other because I don't feel like they've actually had a relationship on screen, poor editing left and right, the useless bits of Bodhi losing his mind to tentacles but is then fine, whatever Forest Whitaker is doing.

 

[Mandon Knight]

Rogue One by a landslide, then another slide of land, followed by a few mountains, a marathon of distance, then playing extreme catch up, TLJ.

 

[007]

Rogue one wasn't that good but on the basis of ths darth vader scenes which were his best ever and the fact tlj is awful, I'll plump for rogue one.

 

[Silver Surfer]

TLJ just flat out sucked, RO at least had this:

 

[RetrogradeOrbit]

Rogue One for me. And that is from a huge Mark Hamill and original trilogy fan...

 

[Frodo]

Classic.

 

[Limonade]

TLJ just flat out sucked, RO at least had this:

Yeah. I'm for RO.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

TLJ just flat out sucked, RO at least had this:

The Throne Room in TLJ is a lot better then that scene, and I love that scene.

The Last Jedi is a very good film. Rogue One is a movie that has two really good Vader scenes, a fantastic space battle, a very funny droid and Chirrut being awesome. No contest imo. TLJ is top level Star Wars. Rogue One is simply the best prequel.

 

[Limonade]

The Throne Room in TLJ is a lot better then that scene, and I love that scene.

The fighting in the Throne Room in TLJ was just that; A fight scene.

There was no fighting here... just a massacre.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The fighting in the Throne Room in TLJ was just that... a fight scene.

There was no fighting here... just a massacre.

Oh no. There was a lot more to the Throne Room. Even then, if we just talk about the fighting, arguably the best actual fighting in Star Wars. Up there with TFA and Empire duels in terms of overall quality imo. Looking at [BLACKOUT]the character work, the turn and the breaking of the saber[/BLACKOUT]. Yeah, a lot of quality action, acting and mythology in TLJ scene.

 

[Limonade]

Oh no. There was a lot more to the Throne Room. Even then, if we just talk about the fighting, arguably the best actual fighting in Star Wars. Up there with TFA and Empire duels in terms of overall quality imo. Looking at [BLACKOUT]the character work, the turn and the breaking of the saber[/BLACKOUT]. Yeah, a lot of quality action, acting and mythology in TLJ scene.

I suppose your excluding the Prequels, that include plenty of light saber fighting.

I just felt it was unnecessary as they could force hold, force choke, force throw their opponents. Letting loose of the whole potential of the Force.

It just wasn't really a contest unless something was a miss to me during that whole sequence.[BLACKOUT] I will agree that the turn of Ben was interesting.[/BLACKOUT] But nothing like "Oh Wow!"

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I suppose your excluding the Prequels, that include plenty of light saber fighting.

I just felt it was unnecessary as they could force hold, force choke, force throw their opponents. Letting loose of the whole potential of the Force.

It just wasn't really a contest unless something was a miss to me during that whole sequence. [BLACKOUT]I will agree that the turn of Ben was interesting. But nothing like "Oh Wow!"[/BLACKOUT]

No, I am not excluding those. The only one I really like there is the Duel of the Fates. Would be 4 or 5 on my list. Fighting it out with Luke/Vader II.

No mid tier Force User uses the Force like that. It takes a level of concentration and time unless you are Snoke or the Emperor, the speeding blade is going to win. Just look at the prequels. Not even Yoda did that.

And this thread isn't labelled spoilers. So please don't post them without covering them.

 

[Limonade]

No, I am not excluding those. The only one I really like there is the Duel of the Fates. Would be 4 or 5 on my list. Fighting it out with Luke/Vader II.

No mid tier Force User uses the Force like that. It takes a level of concentration and time unless you are Snoke or the Emperor, the speeding blade is going to win. Just look at the prequels. Not even Yoda did that.

And this thread isn't labelled spoilers. So please don't post them without covering them.

[BLACKOUT]That's interesting to categorize them as mid tier Force User. I'm just going by what I have seen and told on the screen throughout the last 4 decades up to TLJ. And from what I've seen, Rey and Ben are quite able to use the Force anyway they like...

I'm assuming Ben, more so, can use the Force as he pleases since being trained by the Jedi Master Luke Skywalker himself as mentioned in TFA.

I guess, what I'm saying is that RO didn't have to deal with what TLJ dealt with. And while I love both films, Rogue One inherently fit the narrative that the TLJ wanted to throw away with. Of course, TLJ did progress the story further. But I'm more likely inclined, to enjoy Vader toying with his opponents and showcasing what makes a Sith warlord terrifying than two Force users slashing red guards before one turns on the other.[/BLACKOUT]

Too much work figuring out what's Spoilers or not.

 

[Grootster]

Rogue One a billion, trillion times over.

Rogue One is my second favorite Star Wars movie just behind ANH, and TLJ is my second least favorite just above Attack of the Clones.

 

[Frodo]

The Throne Room in TLJ is a lot better then that scene, and I love that scene.

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The throne room fight was fine but the Vader fight is much more memorable.

 

[Mjölnir]

I actually haven't rewatched RO as I thought it wasn't that good for the first two acts, so this becomes a fairly decent comparison as I've also only seen TLJ once.

I didn't care much about the characters in RO, while I do care more about those in TLJ (talking the new ones). That being said I care mainly because of TFA and weren't very impressed with what was done to them in TLJ (not that much development to be honest).

RO treated the legacy of the OT significantly better and I don't remember there being quite as strong plot holes/conveniences, so I have to pick RO.

I guess my overall ranking of the SW films is actually crystallizing without me thinking too much about it. I just need to figure out where to place RotS and the ranking is finished. Not quite sure about that yet though.

 

[Adhesive Boy]

RO was much better. It was a so much better fit with the old canon and it made me want to rewatch ANH just afterwards because it was such a good bridge. TLJ instead made me want to watch the OT because I was craving to see some actually good Star Wars.

Funnily enough I've had more discussions about the Vader scene in RO with my friends than about any single fight in TLJ. The throne room fight scene is pretty good though, if you disregard that Rey suddenly became a lot more polished and skilled at lightsaber combat from waving a lightsaber near a rock.

 

[writer0327]

I really didn't love RO overall. I liked it. It was "okay". It was mostly a fanservice, feel good old school SW film, which was fine I guess, but I felt it was largely unnecessary and really didn't add anything to the overall SW story.

I can say that overall SW needs more films like TLJ and less films like RO.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

[BLACKOUT]That's interesting to categorize them as mid tier Force User. I'm just going by what I have seen and told on the screen throughout the last 4 decades up to TLJ. And from what I've seen, Rey and Ben are quite able to use the Force anyway they like...

I'm assuming Ben, more so, can use the Force as he pleases since being trained by the Jedi Master Luke Skywalker himself as mentioned in TFA.

I guess, what I'm saying is that RO didn't have to deal with what TLJ dealt with. And while I love both films, Rogue One inherently fit the narrative that the TLJ wanted to throw away with. Of course, TLJ did progress the story further. But I'm more likely inclined, to enjoy Vader toying with his opponents and showcasing what makes a Sith warlord terrifying than two Force users slashing red guards before one turns on the other.[/BLACKOUT]

Too much work figuring out what's Spoilers or not.

Compare them to Luke, Snoke and [BLACKOUT]Yoda[/BLACKOUT] in the film. There is no comparison. Rey is raw potential, Kylo is young and strong, but nowhere near Vader. Who would be on the Luke/Snoke level.

They actually tell this story quite well in the film. [BLACKOUT]Like how Kylo points out Rey couldn't possibly be responsible for their link. The effort would kill her. But we know Snoke is responsible.[/BLACKOUT]

Rogue One's flaws are is own. Its lack of characters, a third act that works best when away from the heroes. A poorly edited first act before Jyn gets to Jedah.