TMOS Review & Speculation Thread (Spoilers)

[Mysteryman]

And to add to that, IF WB does JL or World's Finest, you'll have the perfect set-up.

Superman (who has killed) vs Batman (who refuses the idea outright).

At the end of the day, neither will accept killing as ok.

But in the meantime, we have distrust, conflicting ideals, and eventually a collaboration.

Perfect plot to start up the franchise - heroes with trust issues. Different from TA but also true to DC.

The Avengers had their trust issues
their learning to trust each other was a large part of the film.

 

[MaceB]

I don't see how this situation is any different than what happened to Dent in TDK. Sure, you could spend all day saying... well Batman could have done this, or why didn't he do it this way. But at the end of the day, we all have to make split decisions that force us into no-win situations. Who here hasn't had to make an important choice at a moment's notice... and every now and again, it's the wrong one. Superman and Batman aren't gods - they're flawed characters just like us. I don't care if they have to skirt or break the rules in extreme circumstances from time to time. What matters more is the spirit of the rule - that if they are forced into that kind of situation, that they regret it deeply and that they question themselves. I don't need my heroes to be perfect. I just want them to constantly try to be.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

well that was some good reading with the spoilers...there are still some things I don't know and I plan to keep it that way. I can't wait to see this all come to life on the big screen...so excited

 

[mad-sci]

The Avengers had their trust issues
their learning to trust each other was a large part of the film.

True, but for JL, the villains will almost definitely be alien / beyond humans in nature. And by having the main non- human on their team being someone who's killed?

THAT'S a bigger character conflict rather than a clash of egos (TA).

Plus you have Batman - always the least trusting of DC characters (he even spied on his own teammates! More than once!)

This sets up a strong conflict - Batman (and by extension, the rest of the JL), no longer trusts Superman, not because of his powers, but because of his actions (regardless of Supermans own feelings about it).

 

[Superherofan123]

Yea I think in the right context the spoiler isn't a big deal...I know a lot of times he holds back but how many times has superman gone all out against an enemy in the comics?? At any point he my have killed them but at the time he's only thinking about stopping them and protecting earth...It sounds to me like it fits perfectly within the context of what's happening in the film.

 

[Ozymandias]

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Was there really really no other alternative? I've heard from other reviewers that there was and Superman didn't think of it. That I think is what would bother me the most.

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That's not how I viewed it. Zod is on his knees, and Superman has a hold of him from behind. Around the neck area to be precise. Zod sees a family cowering in a corner and blasts his heat vision.

Except he can't hit them because of Superman's hold on him, so the beams are slowly inching toward the family as Superman begs Zod to stop. To me, it seemed like Zod was doing everything in his power to resist Superman from pulling him away. And just before the family gets roasted, Superman snaps his neck.

 

[JOE]

MY QUESTION I NEED CLOSURE TO!:

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Is there a huge snapping sound? I wonder how they do it? And do you see it, or just Supe's face as it's being done. I hope they use their 1 PG-13 f-bomb in that moment when he's screaming!

 

[DMC40]

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That's not how I viewed it. Zod is on his knees, and Superman has a hold of him from behind. Around the neck area to be precise. Zod sees a family cowering in a corner and blasts his heat vision.

Except he can't hit them because of Superman's hold on him, so the beams are slowly inching toward the family as Superman begs Zod to stop. To me, it seemed like Zod was doing everything in his power to resist Superman from pulling him away. And just before the family gets roasted, Superman snaps his neck.

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Thanks for the info. Sounds like he had no other choice then. I'm fine with him killing Zod as long as he had no other choice. Question was Zod still in his armor when Supes killed him?

 

[Ozymandias]

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Is there a huge snapping sound? I wonder how they do it? And do you see it, or just Supe's face as it's being done. I hope they use their 1 PG-13 f-bomb in that moment when he's screaming!

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I can't remember how loud the snapping noise was, but it's definitely shown and on full display. No f-bomb though.

 

[X Knight]

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That's not how I viewed it. Zod is on his knees, and Superman has a hold of him from behind. Around the neck area to be precise. Zod sees a family cowering in a corner and blasts his heat vision.

Except he can't hit them because of Superman's hold on him, so the beams are slowly inching toward the family as Superman begs Zod to stop. To me, it seemed like Zod was doing everything in his power to resist Superman from pulling him away. And just before the family gets roasted, Superman snaps his neck.

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was it just one family Zod was targeting?? or a crowd of people??

were they trapped?? why didn't they try to run away?

 

[Ozymandias]

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was it just one family Zod was targeting?? or a crowd of people??

were they trapped?? why didn't they try to run away?

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It's just one family and they're caught in a corner.

 

[X Knight]

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It's just one family and they're caught in a corner.

thanks

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were Zod's beams inching closer to the family at a slow pace? or were they approaching them fairly quickly?? they were in immediate danger?

meaning, it's so fast, the family didn't really have time to run away and Supes had to make the decision to snap Zod's neck.

also, did you feel that scene was symbolic?? given how important family is to Clark ( both his real parents and his adopted parents ), to save this one family's life, Superman made the ultimate choice to take Zod's life.

 

[Bran-El]

Does

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Superman ever find out Zod killed his father?

 

[Rogzilla]

Correct me if I'm mistaken but, from what I've been able to peice together:

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Superman doesn't kill Zod to save that one family, per se. I mean, yes, he does want to save them but it seems like the decision to kill Zod comes more from a realization that he has no way to stop him otherwise. There is no way to contain him (no access to PZ, and he already broke out anyway), no way to depower him and he can't fight him forever. If Superman just knocks him out, he'll reawaken and continue murdering.

Maybe seeing Zod's determination to kill this one family is the last straw that makes Superman choose to do what he did, but he still hates the decision.

Am I at all right?

 

[Kevin Smith]

Does

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Superman ever find out Zod killed his father?

That's what I want to know. Seconded.

 

[Ozymandias]

thanks

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were Zod's beams inching closer to the family at a slow pace? or were they approaching them fairly quickly?? they were in immediate danger?

meaning, it's so fast, the family didn't really have time to run away and Supes had to make the decision to snap Zod's neck.

also, did you feel that scene was symbolic?? given how important family is to Clark ( both his real parents and his adopted parents ), to save this one family's life, Superman made the ultimate choice to take Zod's life.

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It's fairly slow. The family appears to be paralyzed by fear. I'm not 100% sure where they could have run to without Zod breaking free and eventually roasting them anyway. Even if they had run, I doubt it would have stopped Zod from killing other people.

I don't know if it felt symbolic of Clark's values toward family so much as it did protecting innocent lives. The symbolism you're looking for is more closely represented when Superman takes down the scout ship and in turn destroys its genesis chamber, the technology that would be used to populate Earth with Kryptonians.

 

[Ozymandias]

Does

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Superman ever find out Zod killed his father?

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Yes, Zod tells Clark that killing Jor-El haunts him, but that he would do it again.

 

[Kevin Smith]

^^ Awesome.

 

[TheIntersect]

Anyone know what the opening credits are like? Thank you!

 

[Ozymandias]

Correct me if I'm mistaken but, from what I've been able to peice together:

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Superman doesn't kill Zod to save that one family, per se. I mean, yes, he does want to save them but it seems like the decision to kill Zod comes more from a realization that he has no way to stop him otherwise. There is no way to contain him (no access to PZ, and he already broke out anyway), no way to depower him and he can't fight him forever. If Superman just knocks him out, he'll reawaken and continue murdering.

Maybe seeing Zod's determination to kill this one family is the last straw that makes Superman choose to do what he did, but he still hates the decision.

Am I at all right?

Spoiler

That's the conclusion I drew from watching it. Even if he could have managed to pull Zod away from the family, there was no guarantee Zod wouldn't just try it again and potentially kill even more people. Take into account the mass chaos and destruction caused by their fighting, and Superman probably realized there was no alternative but to kill him.

 

[Ozymandias]

Anyone know what the opening credits are like? Thank you!

Like a Nolan Batman movie, there are no opening credits. Just the Warner Bros., DC Comics, and Syncopy production logos.

 

[X Knight]

thanks, Ozy!!

do you remember what music plays during the final sequence that leads to the final shot?

was it similar to the trailer 3 music, starting with the tender piano theme and leading into the more heroic theme?

 

[antsman41]

^awesome.

I hate opening credits. Give me the movie!

 

[J.Howlett]

Like a Nolan Batman movie, there are no opening credits. Just the Warner Bros., DC Comics, and Syncopy production logos.

Tell me they're not going to merge this universe with Nolan's trilogy. This small bit of information is just another clue, in my eyes.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

@OZY-

Is

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[BLACKOUT]Superman in the movie??? [/BLACKOUT]

and

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How many times is he actually called Superman and by who?