TMOS Review & Speculation Thread

[Stephen K. Hone]

because it's a demeaning depiction of women which is highlighted nationwide in a high profile commercial for a big blockbuster movie.

The same could be said of your avatar, that it is a demeaning example of the objectification of women. I won't say that though.

 

[Fenrir]

yer ignorance is so astounding it's not even worth responding to.

Then by all means please enlighten me where women in the military are accused of being incapable of peforming their duties because they can't control their attraction towards their male counterparts. Since you think it is a stereotype, it shouldn't be hard to find examples. Otherwise, you're just another tightass, dimwitted and juvenile self-proclaimed "champion" of women's rights who in fact patronizes women by putting them on a pedestal without having the slightest idea of what gender equality really means.

not that the two movies/scenes can in any way be compared....this was a realistic depiction of the gross incompetence and misconduct of the male soldiers during the vietnam war, which was depicted time and again through out the film as one of its themes which was completely relevant in its context. the reality of soldiers' conduct in the vietnam war is in fact offensive, but a realistic depiction of it in the film is not. but there is a world of difference between the two scenes that the fact you would bring this up as some sort of debate point shows yer sheer ignorance to this situation.

Again, this flimsy logic only holds if you think that the joke in MOS either actually was or at least intended to be in any way whatsoever a realistic depiction of women in the military. You just projected your own misogynistic misconceptions.

 

[Rogzilla]

What I think is funny, while we are debating this, there is the character of Faora, who is an extremely disciplined female solider. A bad guy, sure, but it shows women can be just as "professional" or whatever. And Lois Lane, who has always been a "women in a man's profession" sort of gal.

But no, let's focus on quick edited joke...in the thread about reviews. Yeah, this seems on topic.

 

[Fenrir]

There is unfortunately just such a stereotype. Ever seen Mad Men or even X-Men: First Class? Western society long held the opinion that women are "too emotional" to be real professionals and interact in the world of business or be trusted with anything important. I'm not saying that Motown is right, but there is a basis for his argument. You don't need to ridicule it.

I am very much aware of that. That is why I mentioned women being viewed not as "tough" (physically, mentally and emotionally) as men. However, when it comes to sexual attraction, if there is one gender that is constantly stereotyped as being utterly incapable of being completely professional in the presence of someone good-looking from the opposite sex, it sure as hell isn't women.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Even today, that POV still holds to some degree. Sadly, I hear guys say things like that all the time.

Removing the arguably offensive aspect of the scene in question, is it fair to say that a woman in the military who conducts herself in such a way is unrealistic? That's a legit question. Is it something that audiences might look at and say, "That could never happen!" or something to that effect?

In COD: Black Ops ll one of the male soldiers was talking about "hot chick action". I don't think any men played that game and said "that is so sexist to represent men so unprofessionally".

I think it's pretty realistic that a soldier would make a comment like that (not based on COD game but it just seems like a normal thing).

 

[Tra-El]

Whoa, talk about a subject wearing out its welcome. Gone for hours and return to the same 'ol same 'ol. Can't wait until a stunning review comes along to balance out this place because of ONE revire my lord haha.

 

[Great Mind(s)]

I'm wondering what the

Spoiler

shocking divisive ending is

 

[DKDetective]

Even today, that POV still holds to some degree. Sadly, I hear guys say things like that all the time.

Removing the arguably offensive aspect of the scene in question, is it fair to say that a woman in the military who conducts herself in such a way is unrealistic? That's a legit question. Is it something that audiences might look at and say, "That could never happen!" or something to that effect?

I'm not saying that it would be unrealistic in any circumstances, just that it seems like Ferris's lack of composure is being portrayed as inappropriate based on on Stanwick sternly asks her if there is something on her mind. It reminds one of those stereotypical boot camp scenes in war movies where the soft, undisciplined recruits react immaturely to something a drill sergeant says and they get chewed out for it. It seems like odd behaviour for an officer, a captain in a formal setting as it appears so far. Now, we have no idea how the scene will play out in the film, what the actual context is, so all of this is extremely premature. I wouldn't necessarily consider the scene misogynist or sexist, but the exchange does seem off to me. It might just be poor performances or poor writing.

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

It's the way she said THAT is the reason for the embargo.
WB are definitely confident about the movie (whether it is good or bad) so I highly doubt that is the reason for the embargo.

In her opinion that IS the reason, but without knowing her background and what she is particular to, (and that fact she appears to be in the minority based on other cryptic tweets) I'll take what she said with a grain of salt.

 

[Anita18]

Do you think this movie has similar early reactions to TDKR?

Completely different expectations. I wouldn't compare the two at all.

I'm not saying that it would be unrealistic in any circumstances, just that it seems like Ferris's lack of composure is being portrayed as inappropriate based on on Stanwick sternly asks her if there is something on her mind. It reminds one of those stereotypical boot camp scenes in war movies where the soft, undisciplined recruits react immaturely to something a drill sergeant says and they get chewed out for it. It seems like odd behaviour for an officer, a captain in a formal setting as it appears so far. Now, we have no idea how the scene will play out in the film, what the actual context is, so all of this is extremely premature. I wouldn't necessarily consider the scene misogynist or sexist, but the exchange does seem off to me. It might just be poor performances or poor writing.

My acquaintance did say there was some corny dialogue. That could be one example.

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

So does anyone want to speculate when we might see the first real life bonafide review? from a critic of note?

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

Completely different expectations. I wouldn't compare the two at all.


My acquaintance did say there was some corny dialogue. That could be one example.

S:TM has some corny dialogue and it's still a great film. One person's corny dialogue is someone else's good summer blockbuster one-liners.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

The different reviews have brought be back to reality, I should go back to concentrating on more important things like my exams.

I was living in a bubble for the past week where the movie was going to be amazing and make $800 million. Now I remember that some things don't always work out, hopefully this movie does well.

 

[moviefan!]

TMZ editor



FROM SOMEONE I KNOW WHO SAW IT
-It’s everything you want a comic book movie to be. Third act is ALL action. Most of the rest told in flashback … some corny dialogue but capable and moves along.

 

[Motown Marvel]

The same could be said of your avatar, that it is a demeaning example of the objectification of women. I won't say that though.

I don't see how having love for someone is demeaning. I love meg...she's a cool woman and played in one of my favorite bands....this is grossly off topic.

Then by all means please enlighten me where women in the military are accused of being incapable of peforming their duties because they can't control their attraction towards their male counterparts. Since you think it is a stereotype, it shouldn't be hard to find examples. Otherwise, you're just another tightass, dimwitted and juvenile self-proclaimed "champion" of women's rights who in fact patronizes women by putting them on a pedestal without having the slightest idea of what gender equality really means.



Again, this flimsy logic only holds if you think that the joke in MOS either actually was or at least intended to be in any way whatsoever a realistic depiction of women in the military. You just projected your own misogynistic misconceptions.

If you haven't accepted my previous reasonings on this subject that I have stated clearly in numerous posts, then yer not gonna accept anything I have to say about it in future posts. So why would I waste my time trying to reason with yer ignorance? Again, if you want my thoughts on this subject, refer to my previous posts.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

I'm not saying that it would be unrealistic in any circumstances, just that it seems like Ferris's lack of composure is being portrayed as inappropriate based on on Stanwick sternly asks her if there is something on her mind. It reminds one of those stereotypical boot camp scenes in war movies where the soft, undisciplined recruits react immaturely to something a drill sergeant says and they get chewed out for it. It seems like odd behaviour for an officer, a captain in a formal setting as it appears so far. Now, we have no idea how the scene will play out in the film, what the actual context is, so all of this is extremely premature. I wouldn't necessarily consider the scene misogynist or sexist, but the exchange does seem off to me. It might just be poor performances or poor writing.

Agreed.

 

[moviefan!]

The different reviews have brought be back to reality, I should go back to concentrating on more important things like my exams.

I was living in a bubble for the past week where the movie was going to be amazing and make $800 million. Now I remember that some things don't always work out, hopefully this movie does well.

Is this a troll post ? 1 negative and dozens positive Ms MARVEL

 

[Pickleweasel]

I don't care if other people (strangers especially on the internet) don't like something that I like, maybe my friends are a different story. Sometimes.

If I love a movie and it has a 3 percent I can care less. All that matters is I love that movie and it affects me. I don't think that's weird to not care.

If people are worried about box office so they care about reviews, OK that's fine. I get that. But it's still 1 woman out of how many early reviews that are great??

Very few people care what ONE person thinks, from the responses it really only seems like the negative reaction only affected a couple people. But when you say you don't care if a million people dislike it or you don't care if it has a 3% score I don't think your being honest with yourself.

Say you love your dad. If there was a website dedicated to how cool or how cruddy your dad was and 97% of people say he's terrible your not just going to not care I don't see how that's possible.

I'm a big packer fan and if there was a poll of whether or not the pack make the playoffs next year and 80% say they will I'm not gonna get all irate that 20% of people are off their rockers. But if 97% of people say they won't make the playoffs there is going to be a reaction from me and I will definitely care even though I can't tell the future for the upcoming season (similar to not knowing if MOS is going to be good or not)

Point is people care about reviews because they like when other people like what they like or give props to something they like. Even for those who don't care about reviews would care if you showed them that their favorite movie of all time got terrible reviews. And it really applies to everyone for basically anything.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Is this a troll post ? 1 negative and dozens positive

No, I'm just saying I was living in a bubble where there was 100% chance the movie would do well. I still think it will but I have to be realistic.

 

[moviefan!]

No, I'm just saying I was living in a bubble where there was 100% chance the movie would do well. I still think it will but I have to be realistic.

Yep definite troll posting ms MARVEL as no movie has 100 percent records. Not even hollywood classics. No one is being fooled by the oh shoot 1 bad review oh well might as well lower my expectations omg i thought it would be 100% on rottentomatoes act

 

[Mikelus]

The same could be said of your avatar, that it is a demeaning example of the objectification of women. I won't say that though.

You sneaky little...




The real problem is this negative, oversensitive, paranoid attitude that sees racism, sexism, evil everywhere. Some people need to be more rational and control their fear and negative emotions instead of being so weak and emo about everything.

(Now wait for the: OMG, that was so mean, how could you!!)

 

[Caped Crusader]

Jenn Murphy ‏@jambot0110 26 May
"I give STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS a big fat meh, I was mostly bored by it."


I'm not a big Star Trek fan but there was too much action to be "bored by it" IMO.

 

[Fenrir]

If you haven't accepted my previous reasonings on this subject that I have stated clearly in numerous posts, then yer not gonna accept anything I have to say about it in future posts. So why would I waste my time trying to reason with yer ignorance? Again, if you want my thoughts on this subject, refer to my previous posts.

All you needed to do was simply post one example or piece of evidence that shows that women are stereotyped for not being able to stay professional in the army due to their sexual attraction towards the opposite sex. If you had anything along the lines of functioning brain cells, you'd know the right way to fight ignorance is with information, not insults. Of course, you'd rather waste your time conjuring even more asinine, evasive responses.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Yep definite troll posting ms MARVEL as no movie has 100 percent records. Not even hollywood classics. No one is being fooled by the oh shoot 1 bad review oh well might as well lower my expectations omg i thought it would be 100% on rottentomatoes act

I didn't say it was going to get 100%! I said 100% chance of it being amazing. There is a difference.
Besides I want this movie to be better than Iron Man 3 anyway.
Nothing wrong with liking both Marvel and DC. But if you think I am a troll whatever.
If I was a troll I would do a way better job than this.

 

[moviefan!]

I didn't say it was going to get 100%! I said 100% chance of it being amazing. There is a difference.
Besides I want this movie to be better than Iron Man 3 anyway.
Nothing wrong with liking both Marvel and DC. But if you think I am a troll whatever.
If I was a troll I would do a way better job than this.

Being a former troll who grew up out of it i know how it works.