TMOS Reviews Thread - Non Spoiler Review and Discussion - Part 5

[JangoNate]

Yay! The Superman Returns vs. Man of Steel thread!

I can't wait until everyone has actually seen it. Then the vs. will get even more interesting.

I liked SR, but my biggest complaint after many viewings is that it's boring. There is that great airplane rescue scene and then it doesn't get much more exciting after that. No one in the film had a sense of urgency. One thing I always laugh at is the scene when glass is falling from a building onto people below and we see Superman slowly turning around to take it out with his heat vision. He's flying at break neck speeds, but turning like a tortoise.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

SR made Superman seem like he was too dumb to think that there might be repercussions if he ditched Earth for five years.

F*** that movie.

Spoiler

I liked the part where he was turned into into a defenseless punching bag who was barely able to stand on an island filled with Kryptonite and Lex shanks him with a piece, THEN after that he is able to return and with no problem lift the ENTIRE island and throw it into outer space. ....right....

 

[echostation]

I completely disagree... This Superman owns... to each his own opinion guys, but I thought this Superman was just as Snyder says "awesome!" Loved this iteration

 

[Ultimatehero]

I wonder how much of these criticisms are being chalked up to the film or to the stupid way people view adoptees in general.

If we're not 100% happy about adoption and have angst about it we're seen as selfish (adoption means two things - happy about getting awesome great parents, understandable grief about having also lost parents. Any time I mention missing and wanting to have known my biological parents, even my friends tell me to stop being so selfish when if I was raised by an aunt or uncle they wouldn't say that). Or whenever I bring up wanting to search for my biological parents it's, "why would you be so selfish and do a thing like that that would hurt your adoptive parents?" I don't want to hurt anyone. I just want to know who I am completely and part of that is finding them. Nothing selfish about it. Anyone who has lost their parents has angst about it. It's not this apple-pie version of it people want to see/believe is there, but actually is. And from the trailers the movie seems to hit those same beats.

Just wondering how much of these criticisms have to do with the movie or people's beliefs that an adoptee showing grief, identity crises, and wanting to search as "selfish" things...

ADDING: I've seen this too with 'Place Beyond the Pines' with people throwing Jason down for wanting to his biological father as "selfish." And people have responded to other characters in the like. So with people's mind-sets being there, just wondering if that's impacting how they're viewing some things.

 

[X Knight]

I found this iteration of Superman to be a coward, selfish and arrogant/brutish. He cycled through all three depending on what the scene called for. No thanks.

why??

 

[InJustice]

Spoiler

I liked the part where he was turned into into a defenseless punching bag who was barely able to stand on an island filled with Kryptonite and Lex shanks him with a piece, THEN after that he is able to return and with no problem lift the ENTIRE island and throw it into outer space. ....right....

MFW reading that

 

[JangoNate]

I wonder how much of these criticisms are being chalked up to the film or to the stupid way people view adoptees in general.

If we're not 100% happy about adoption and have angst about it we're seen as selfish (adoption means two things - happy about getting awesome great parents, understandable grief about having also lost parents. Any time I mention missing and wanting to have known my biological parents, even my friends tell me to stop being so selfish when if I was raised by an aunt or uncle they wouldn't say that). Or whenever I bring up wanting to search for my biological parents it's, "why would you be so selfish and do a thing like that that would hurt your adoptive parents?" I don't want to hurt anyone. I just want to know who I am completely and part of that is finding them. Nothing selfish about it. Anyone who lost their parents has angst about it. It's not this apple-pie version people want to see, but is actually there. And from the trailers the movie seems to hit those same beats.

Just wondering how much of these criticisms have to do with the movie or people's beliefs that an adoptee showing grief, identity crises, and wanting to search as "selfish" things...

I'm anxious to hear your review now. That's an interesting perspective to Superman that I've never considered with my background.

 

[ThreadPool]

I can't wait until everyone has actually seen it. Then the vs. will get even more interesting.

I liked SR, but my biggest complaint after many viewings is that it's boring. There is that great airplane rescue scene and then it doesn't get much more exciting after that. No one in the film had a sense of urgency. One thing I always laugh at is the scene when glass is falling from a building onto people below and we see Superman slowly turning around to take it out with his heat vision. He's flying at break neck speeds, but turning like a tortoise.

Hahahaha! Never even thought about that.
I feel like the majority of us will enjoy MoS. We shall see...

 

[SentinelMind]

I'm ok with people not liking the movie or finding legimate flaws...but I'm think people claiming MOS is the most cowardly incarnation of all time...seems kind of trollish and exaggerating to drive home their point of expressing dislike.

 

[Autonet]

Spoiler

What makes me worry the most is the part about how Jonathan dies. It is just something I believe clark will never do, he would rather have everyone know his secret then let his father die.

Spoiler

The guy came up with an alternate to that where Clark goes to save the dog, and has to fly off (using the tornado as cover) and fake his death, and that is the catalyst for him wandering the world. That would've been really good.

 

[Hammer!]

Worse in this one

I liked the movie a little bit more than you (although a little letdown on the film none-the-less), and don't know if he was as worse as he was in SR, but some scenes definitely made him seem rather arrogant.

 

[gdw]

Man of Steel is just another Superman movie with a real estate scheme as its central conflict. Doesn't get much more unoriginal than that.

Are you comparing taking over the word with scamming beach front property?

 

[Poni_Boy]

Spoiler

The guy came up with an alternate to that where Clark goes to save the dog, and has to fly off (using the tornado as cover) and fake his death, and that is the catalyst for him wandering the world. That would've been really good.

Anything would have been better than what happened. Wreaked of cowardice to me.

 

[gdw]

Am I wrong, or are the negative reviews are sounding like they were expecting something more Avengers type "fun," and with gags, and are *****ing because they got something much more Batman Begins?

 

[SentinelMind]

I wonder how much of these criticisms are being chalked up to the film or to the stupid way people view adoptees in general.

If we're not 100% happy about adoption and have angst about it we're seen as selfish (adoption means two things - happy about getting awesome great parents, understandable grief about having also lost parents. Any time I mention missing and wanting to have known my biological parents, even my friends tell me to stop being so selfish when if I was raised by an aunt or uncle they wouldn't say that). Or whenever I bring up wanting to search for my biological parents it's, "why would you be so selfish and do a thing like that that would hurt your adoptive parents?" I don't want to hurt anyone. I just want to know who I am completely and part of that is finding them. Nothing selfish about it. Anyone who has lost their parents has angst about it. It's not this apple-pie version of it people want to see/believe is there, but actually is. And from the trailers the movie seems to hit those same beats.

Just wondering how much of these criticisms have to do with the movie or people's beliefs that an adoptee showing grief, identity crises, and wanting to search as "selfish" things...

ADDING: I've seen this too with 'Place Beyond the Pines' with people throwing Jason down for wanting to his biological father as "selfish." And people have responded to other characters in the like. So with people's mind-sets being there, just wondering if that's impacting how they're viewing some things.

Legitimate point, understandable Superman wants to learn about his past....MOS will surely explore this as well...BUT...

Superman is an adult..not a teenager....and his inability to consider consequences of his leaving Earth or inability to communicate that to loved ones...is just not excusable. Just because you have needs doesn't mean you can just ignore everyone else's and look clean.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Are you comparing taking over the word with scamming beach front property?

Still the same thing just on a global scale. It's another film where the main conflict is over real estate where the lives of millions will be lost for the sake of property.

 

[Ozymandias]

Now you're changing your story. The two things aren't comparable. He didn't ditch his pregnant girlfriend like you claimed. As much as I didn't like Super-kid in SR the scene where Kal gives him the father/son speech is more emotional than anything in MOS

I couldn't disagree more. Several of the Pa Kent and Jor-El scenes stirred more emotions within me than anything in Superman Returns.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Am I wrong, or are the negative reviews are sounding like they were expecting something more Avengers type "fun," and with gags, and are *****ing because they got something much more Batman Begins?

If this was anything close to Begins in terms of characterization and storytelling I would have praised the hell out of it. Just bad film making IMO

 

[ThreadPool]

I wonder how much of these criticisms are being chalked up to the film or to the stupid way people view adoptees in general.

If we're not 100% happy about adoption and have angst about it we're seen as selfish (adoption means two things - happy about getting awesome great parents, understandable grief about having also lost parents. Any time I mention missing and wanting to have known my biological parents, even my friends tell me to stop being so selfish when if I was raised by an aunt or uncle they wouldn't say that). Or whenever I bring up wanting to search for my biological parents it's, "why would you be so selfish and do a thing like that that would hurt your adoptive parents?" I don't want to hurt anyone. I just want to know who I am completely and part of that is finding them. Nothing selfish about it. Anyone who has lost their parents has angst about it. It's not this apple-pie version of it people want to see/believe is there, but actually is. And from the trailers the movie seems to hit those same beats.


Just wondering how much of these criticisms have to do with the movie or people'beliefs that an adoptee showing grief, identity crises, and wanting to search as "selfish" things...

ADDING: I've seen this too with 'Place Beyond the Pines' with people throwing Jason down for wanting to his biological father as "selfish." And people have responded to other characters in the like. So with people's mind-sets being there, just wondering if that's impacting how they're viewing some things.

Wow. One of the most thought provoking posts I've ever read on these forums. Very interesting. If that's the case, I wonder if this was intentional. Seriously. Nice post.

*edit* Oh, is this about SR? Don't care. Just kidding. Still a very nice post

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Still the same thing just on a global scale. It's another film where the main conflict is over real estate where the lives of millions will be lost for the sake of property.

That is asinine logic. In that case Loki ripped off Lex Luthor? A scheme to acquire land is much different than the age old story of a villain wanting to takeover the world.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

I have to say all this hoopla is making me want to see the movie Friday instead of 2 mos from now.

 

[Snark88]

If this was anything close to Begins in terms of characterization and storytelling I would have praised the hell out of it. Just bad film making IMO

I honestly don't think it's as bad as you're chalking it up to be.

 

[Poni_Boy]

That is asinine logic. In that case Loki ripped off Lex Luthor? A scheme to acquire land is much different than the age old story of a villain wanting to takeover the world.

Zod [BLACKOUT]doesn't want to rule the world he wants the land with all of humanity dead[/BLACKOUT]

 

[king666]

62%. 78 reviews, 48 positive, 30 negative.

 

[SentinelMind]

The movie is at 62% RT now. wow...