TMOS Reviews Thread - Non Spoiler Review and Discussion - Part 5

[Poni_Boy]

The more I hear the specifics of these complaints, the more confident I am that I'll enjoy it. I mean seriously: [blackout]Zod's scheme mirroring Luthor's in SR[/blackout]? That's quite a stretch, imo.

That's not even a complaint on my end. Just an observation. It's like saying Superman's suit has blue it in. I don't feel positively or negatively about it, it just is.

 

[Ultimatehero]

The more I hear the specifics of these complaints, the more confident I am that I'll enjoy it. I mean seriously: [blackout]Zod's scheme mirroring Luthor's in SR[/blackout]? That's quite a stretch, imo.

Spoiler

Metaphorically they are the same (or at least from what I've heard), but the way they seem to go about it are drastically different. PLUS to have that conflict? Is an amazing conflict to have. There's just something really emotionally and dynamically powerful about that.

Clark is faced with the possibility of getting his birth world back, but has to sacrifice that for the greater good of his adoptive world and people.

It's a gauntlet that would challenge anyone of two worlds/countries. It's one of the most gut-wrenching thing somebody could challenge an alien or international adoptee with.

 

[Valcari]

I found this iteration of Superman to be a coward, selfish and arrogant/brutish. He cycled through all three depending on what the scene called for. No thanks.

Until I see the movie tomorrow I can't argue your sentiment, but I still find it hard to believe that you like SR more than this. It almost seems that you have a preconceived notion in your head about what a Superman movie should be. Instead of an open mind towards a reboot, that gives us a more faithful adaptation of the comics than the Donner films ever did.

 

[Hammer!]

To the people that have seen this movie:

I understand there are a LOT of fights... But are any of them 'emotional', and do they feel motivated by character/plot necessity... Or are they just there?

Standard punch 'em, bodies flying through buildings affair, just longer and on a larger stage. Not emotional until the battle's finale.

 

[Showtime]

The more I hear the specifics of these complaints, the more confident I am that I'll enjoy it. I mean seriously: [blackout]Zod's scheme mirroring Luthor's in SR[/blackout]? That's quite a stretch, imo.

[BLACKOUT]In the end Zod ends up wanting to create New Krypton on earth just like Lex Luthor did in Returns. Their motivations are different but still...it's there.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[flickchick85]

That's not even a complaint on my end. Just an observation. It's like saying Superman's suit has blue it in. I don't feel positively or negatively about it, it just is.

I see. Context is everything, though - and contextually, they are two very different schemes with very different meanings/ramifications for both Superman and the world. One version sounds asinine, one version sounds interesting, imo.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Until I see the movie tomorrow I can't argue your sentiment, but I still find it hard to believe that you like SR more than this. It almost seems that you have a preconceived notion in your head about what a Superman movie should be instead of an open mind towards a reboot that gives us a more faithful adaptation of the comics than the Donner films ever did.

Of course. Because I thought it was poor film making I obviously have preconceived notions. Of course.

 

[Showtime]

I see. Context is everything, though - and contextually, they are two very different schemes with very different meanings/ramifications for both Superman and the world. One version sounds asinine, one version sounds interesting, imo.

Sure but the problem is, why even mimic that when it just happened to not so positive results?

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Standard punch 'em, bodies flying through buildings affair, just longer and on a larger stage. Not emotional until the battle's finale.

Not emotional? The "You think you can touch my mother?!" clip alone demonstrates emotion in the fights.

 

[Agent Orange]

I'm okay with the Tomatomater going down, it's actually the average rating that surprises me. It's at 6.5 right now with a 62 percent approval. If the average rating drops below 6 I'll be shocked.

For emphasis, Spider-Man 3 has a 6.2 average rating and X-Men: The Last Stand's is 5.9.

 

[Charlus]

'Man of Steel' Spoiler-Free Review: Our Superman Expert Answers Your 10 Most Burning Questions


http://www.movies.com/movie-news/man-of-steel-review/12488

 

[Poni_Boy]

Sure but the problem is, why even mimic that when it just happened to not so positive results?

Goyer riffed a ton of stuff from other big movies. What's one more, eh?

 

[Ultimatehero]

The scheme, as said, is the most gut-wrenching and one of the strongest gauntlets anyone could throw Superman's way. The only thing that would put him in as challenging a place is if the villain threatened or killed one of his parents or Lois. But, other than that -- as said -- even if it's been done before it is a seriously hard thing emotionally to top that notion.

You're yearning so much to know about your birth world and now for a villain to make or offer a perversion of that is the most twisted thing imaginable to encounter.

Now to top it off the possible destruction of your adoptive world?!

I'm unsure if Bryan Singer was the first to use it, but if he was there's a guaranteed reason why he chose it. Because it's a seriously twisted notion of what all adoptees want and yearn for. (Singer is adopted). So it is one of the strongest, if not second strongest gauntlet, you can throw Superman's way especially with the added element MOS brings to it.

 

[Ozymandias]

Funny how he didn't balk at making the same decision for others. Was a poorly written scene to me no matter how you try to explain it.

Funny how he saved people as a young kid, stopped when his father told him to during the "Was I just supposed to let him die?" scene, and then went back to saving people after the tornado.

Again, he's an immature kid trying to deal with having superpowers all while being the adopted son of a father trying to protect him no matter the cost. What happens as a result of the tornado is a defining moment in Clark's development to becoming a hero.

 

[flickchick85]

Sure but the problem is, why even mimic that when it just happened to not so positive results?

That doesn't even sound like a mimic to me, though. It sounds like it has as much similarity to SR as superhero movies with 3rd-Act doomsday devices do to each other. It's just a common type of evil plan, but it makes much more sense for aliens wanting Earth as a new homeworld than for Luthor wanting to kill millions and then think the rest of the population will want to live on an uninhabitable rock owned by the guy who killed millions, thinking it's "prime" real-estate. So again, one version sounds interesting to me, while the other sounds asinine. And they just don't seem any more similar to me than other superhero 3rd acts are to each other.

 

[Autonet]

Funny how he saved people as a young kid, stopped when his father told him to during the "Was I just supposed to let him die?" scene, and then went back to saving people after the tornado.

Again, he's an immature kid trying to deal with having superpowers all while being the adopted son of a father trying to protect him no matter the cost. What happens as a result of the tornado is a defining moment in Clark's development to becoming a hero.

It just never comes off like that at all. Most people will say, "Huh? What? Why?"

 

[Poni_Boy]

Funny how he saved people as a young kid, stopped when his father told him to during the "Was I just supposed to let him die?" scene, and then went back to saving people after the tornado.

Again, he's an immature kid trying to deal with having superpowers all while being the adopted son of a father trying to protect him no matter the cost. What happens as a result of the tornado is a defining moment in Clark's development to becoming a hero.

Sorry, I don't see it that way at all. Out of all the ways the comics have shown Pa Kent's demise the one that's repeated the most is by natural causes. You know why? It shows Clark the fragility of human life and that his strength, no matter now vast, cannot save some people.

Now,[BLACKOUT] if MOS offered a completely different take on his death that resonated just as much if not more then I would be all for it. But it was a cop out.

Not to mention how Pa Kent just gave up after twisting his ankle and stood around waiting for the tornado to come get him. Yep, twisted ankle, may as well just throw your hands up and die. It's just your life. No biggie.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Valcari]

Of course. Because I thought it was poor film making I obviously have preconceived notions. Of course.

That isn't what a preconceived notion is.

Your major complaints have been about the character of Superman. You haven't actually gone into detail about the actual filmmaking aspects you dislike in the movie. You could at least come up with an objective format to share your point of view otherwise you just come off as opinionated.

 

[Poni_Boy]

That isn't what a preconceived notion is.

Your major complaints have been about the character of Superman. You haven't actually gone into detail about the actual filmmaking aspects you dislike in the movie. You could at least come up with an objective format to share your point of view otherwise you just come off as opinionated.

Here ya go: http://www.gotham-news.com/news/201...gi-laded-slugfest-with-little-heart-review-★½

He's telling me my thoughts on the film are negative because of my thoughts on the Superman mythos and the previous films. Not so. I reviewed this film on its merits alone, hence no preconceived notions.

 

[Showtime]

That doesn't even sound like a mimic to me, though. It sounds like it has as much similarity to SR as superhero movies with 3rd-Act doomsday devices do to each other. It's just a common type of evil plan, but it makes much more sense for aliens wanting Earth as a new homeworld than for Luthor wanting to kill millions and then think the rest of the population will want to live on an uninhabitable rock owned by the guy who killed millions, thinking it's "prime" real-estate. So again, one version sounds interesting to me, while the other sounds asinine. And they just don't seem any more similar to me than other superhero 3rd acts are to each other.

I don't recall other superhero films wanting a New Krypton besides Superman Returns and Man Of Steel? Earthquake machines and microwave emitters are not the same thing.

 

[flickchick85]

OT, but Poni_Boy, I love your sig.

 

[Poni_Boy]

OT, but Poni_Boy, I love your sig.

One of the year's best films by far

 

[Snark88]

Here ya go: http://www.gotham-news.com/news/201...gi-laded-slugfest-with-little-heart-review-★½

1 and half out of 4? Yeah sorry you're entitled to your opinion but I doubt it's THAT bad.

 

[Showtime]

1 and half out of 4? Yeah sorry you're entitled to your opinion but I doubt it's THAT bad.

That's like saying "With all due respect you are an ass."

 

[Poni_Boy]

1 and half out of 4? Yeah sorry you're entitled to your opinion but I doubt it's THAT bad.

It is to me. Doesn't have to be to you. That's how opinions work.