TMOS Reviews Thread - Non Spoiler Review and Discussion - Part 5

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This is pretty crazy. I have to say, I'm pretty taken aback by all of this. It seems like every blockbuster that's come out since Avengers has been divisive.

Prometheus, TDKR, Iron Man 3, STID, etc. I really thought MOS was going to be a slam dunk. Maybe it still will be for me, we'll see. I'm staying as reasonably optimistic as possible. I'm one of TDKR's biggest defenders on the Batboards, and I adore that film with a firey passion. I recognize that it has some flaws (as all three films do), but to me it stunningly transcends those flaws and ends up greater than the sum of its parts. More importantly it was emotionally a total slam dunk with me. I always expected MoS to have flaws, I just never considered the possibility that it might not transcend those flaws because the trailers are absolutely beautiful and have a STRONG emotional pull.

I really feel like I can go either way at this point, which is oddly exciting in a way.
 
Not directed at me but MOS, no doubt. At least its enjoyable and strives for hope instead of cynicism. I can't even list ten things I liked about TDKR to be honest. On a critical level, its average. Personally, **** that movie. Nolan's batverse ended with Bats running away from the cops after pushing TF off a balcony as far as I'm concerned.

Rises bored me. It just seemed to drag on. I felt the same about The Dark Knight, but it had the Joker and that helped. :yay:
 
I did enjoy it. Not my favorite comic book movie, but certainly in the top 5.

And I think you're not giving enough credit to certain aspects because for whatever reason they didn't satisfy your tastes as much as they did mine. As you said, to each his/her own. I hope others leave the theater feeling Superman got the reboot he deserved just as I did.

Also, how would you rank TDKR?
 
I dislike TDKR immensley - but even then... it does more for me than MoS did.

Making the climb?
Being broken?
Alfred at the grave?
Gordan seeing Batman return on TV?
Bane killing Dagget?
Catwoman.... the entire movie?

Seriously - TDKR is overall flawed in it's plot - but it's execution of many things is seriously awesome.

- Jow

That climb did nothing for me. It was so long and drawn out. Can't say much about MoS cause I haven't seen it yet but TDKR has no replay value for me. BB I'd watch again though. That movie was fun.
 
That climb did nothing for me. It was so long and drawn out. Can't say much about MoS cause I haven't seen it yet but TDKR has no replay value for me. BB I'd watch again though. That movie was fun.

DISHEE DISHEE BASARAH BASARAH.

IDK - got me amped.

Begins is infinitely rewatchable for me. Saw it 21 times in theaters. lol

- Jow
 
Can we move the topic away from TDKR. As a huge Batman film I'm really trying to forget that film exists lol
 
Also, how would you rank TDKR?

1. The Dark Knight
2. Avengers
3. The Dark Knight Rises
4. Batman Begins
5. Man of Steel

I mainly place Begins above MoS because I grew up more of a Batman fan, and I hold Avengers in high regard because I love Joss Whedon's style and the film's accomplishment of bringing together a cinematic universe.
 
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Alright kids, I'm off to bed finally.

Sorry to add to the negativity thread tonight. I really wish I didn't have to :(

I wanted this movie to be the one we've been waiting for. I really did. I just hope the disappointment I've brought will lower your expectations a bit and you can enjoy it more than I did. Seriously... I hope you guys do dig it. But as a film maker, a cinephile, a nerd, a comic book fan and a superman fan... I wasn't able to.

Goodnight guys,

happy debating.

- Jow
 
DISHEE DISHEE BASARAH BASARAH.

IDK - got me amped.

Begins is infinitely rewatchable for me. Saw it 21 times in theaters. lol

- Jow

Here I thought that I was nuts for watching The Dark Knight 9 times in theaters. :woot: Quite the accomplishment, Jow.
 
DC needs a fricken plan instead of dipping their toes into the bat, super, and lantern pools and seeing if its hot or cold. Even if this film bombs, lets go! You cant click the reset button twice in three years, can you?

I liked MOS, but was underwhelmed with it, GL was horrendous, and I personally hated TDKR. I'm not even sure I want to see a Justice League movie at this point.
 
Ozy, thought that one would cinch it but since it's in your top five, definitely going to agree with you tomorrow more than Anjow so I can go to sleep a happy camper. TDKR is my #1 followed closely by The Avengers as # 2. TDKR really captured what superheroes mean to me and MOS started pre-development (or at least I think) during the time they were working on that so the same level of thinking that went into TDKR with the orphan/adoptee themes most likely went into MOS which is what makes me excited.
 
Pretty much every non-favorable review I've read so far has boiled down to how this Superman is not the big blue boyscott in this. Most of them written by people who seem to have a bias towards thinking that Reeves is the only way Superman is supposed to be. They seem to completely miss the point of the new movie and can't seem to understand that that version would not hold water with today's audiences anymore. The people who gave it favorable reviews all seem to get at least some of this point.

Of course then there are the ever present stable of critics that will never give a favorable review to any comic book movie ever.
 
Thought that one would cinch it but since it's in your top five, definitely going to agree with you tomorrow more than Anjow so I can go to sleep a happy camper. TDKR is my #1 followed closely by The Avengers as # 2.

If it helps, the friend that I attended with thought it was one of the best movies he had seen this year, and he watches a lot of movies. And there was a roaring applause after it was over.
 
Pretty much every non-favorable review I've read so far has been *****ing about how this Superman is not the big blue boyscott. Most of them written by people who seem to have a bias towards thinking that Reeves is the only way Superman is supposed to be.

Which is funny because Zack and Deborah Snyder hated how he was perceived as a big blue boy scout by many people. Talk about bipolarity.
 
I will say this -BB, TDK and TDKR had lots of emotional moments and well fleshed out characters, and some humor.

Even Superman Returns and Green Lantern :Extended Cut has some emotionally compelling moments, if MOS has none then it is disappointing to say the least.
 
NOTHING is Jonah Hex bad. GL had it's moments. Especially in the directors cut.

This movie does have great moments, as few and far between. I did break down and cry during a pinnacle moment with Clark and Jonathan Kent.

But the slow build takes a hard right angle into actionville and never recovers. Once the action takes the wheel - it looks at emotional connectivity in the rear view.

- Jow
So your problem with the film was too much action?making the story not great has it should have been?
 
Alright kids, I'm off to bed finally.

Sorry to add to the negativity thread tonight. I really wish I didn't have to :(

I wanted this movie to be the one we've been waiting for. I really did. I just hope the disappointment I've brought will lower your expectations a bit and you can enjoy it more than I did. Seriously... I hope you guys do dig it. But as a film maker, a cinephile, a nerd, a comic book fan and a superman fan... I wasn't able to.

Goodnight guys,

happy debating.

- Jow

You really are going about this all the doom and groom though. You making it out to be far worse the film actually is.
 
i don't know if anyone already posted this, but this is Grace Randolph's review:

 
It seems that man of steel could end up has a 3/5 or 3.5/5 star movie




5 = excellent, perfect in almost every way every
4 = great
3 = good
2 = ok
1 = terrible
http://community.flixster.com/forums/topic/267970639






Making Sense of the Rating Scale

or
http://lsrmoviescale.blogspot.com/


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Critiquing Movies: My 4 Star Rating System




If there’s one complaint about film critics that I can’t disagree with, it’s the fact that their rating systems seem to differ from critic to critic and from publication to publication. From Gene Siskel and Roger Ebert’s trademark thumbs to Entertainment Weekly’s letter scale (they rank films from A-D), it’s hard to keep track of which films are worth seeing when you don’t understand what each rating means in the first place. Traditionally, films have always been ranked on the 4 star system, a rating scale that I use to review films because I find it to be the easiest system for a reader to figure out – 4 stars is perfection while 1 star is a complete dud. However, between the confusing 2½ star rating and the minor differences between 3½ stars and 4 stars, even the traditional 4 star system has its share of confusions and ambiguities. To settle the confusion, I’ve decided to spell out the 4 star system as I see it so that we’re all on the same page by my next film review.






1 Star – While some critics such as Rolling Stone’s Peter Travers are notorious for slapping films with zero stars, the 1 star rating is essentially the same infamous honor. With a 1 star rating, a film is certainly not worth your time as much as it’s not worth your money, and with poor acting, directing, and screenwriting, a 1 star film is nothing short of an extremely unbearable movie experience. For proof, look no further than the parody films Disaster Movie and Vampires Suck – I dare you to watch them and try to make it beyond the 5-minute mark; trust me, it’s impossible! As soon as you see a 1 star rating, you know to pass without hesitation.






2 Stars – Though it has one more star thrown into the mix, the 2 star rating is similar to the 1 star in that it means the respective film should ultimately be skipped. While a 1 star rating means a film is pretty much unbearable, a 2 star film usually has at least one redeeming quality – maybe a strong performance, or stylish direction, or a witty screenplay – that saves it from being utter trash but still isn’t strong enough to make the film worth your time and money. Michael Bay’s first Transformers film is a good example of a 2 star movie – it’s a bad film that’s too long and too loud and that has terrible acting and over the top direction, but its impressive visual effects are enough to make it not a complete waste (they’re only more impressive on a big screen, especially the final hour) but still not a film I’d recommend seeing.









2½ stars – Of all the film ratings, the 2½ star rating is probably the most confusing; in fact, after my reviews for the films American Reunion and John Carter, many of you came to me asking if 2½ stars meant you should see them or not. For me, 2½ stars is kind of like the word “meh” in that it defines a film that is not really good but not really bad either. Most often, 2½ star films do things enjoyably right (Carter had great performances and direction, Reunion was solidly funny and worked its characters perfectly), but just aren’t films that a reviewer thinks are must-sees (Carter was inconsistent, Reunion was nothing original). When critiquing a movie, one must take in all aspects of the movie-going expierence, and when I give a movie 2½ stars, it simply means it was good and there’s a chance you’ll like it (given you enjoy the genre, actors, etc.) but in an age where going to the movies costs upwards of $12, you may want to save your money on something better. Ultimately, 2½ stars leaves it up to the reader – if you want to spend your money, you’ll probably have a descent time, if not, you won’t miss out on anything special in any way.







3 Stars – 3 star films are solid, enjoyable, worth your time movies, there’s really nothing else you can say. With 3 stars, a film may not be winning any great awards or getting a life long legacy as a classic, but it’s a fine way to spend a couple of hours in the theatre. From 3 stars and up, a film is worth your time and money, and the ranging rating really just depends on the personal opinion of the reviewer. Martin Scorsese’s Hugo, for instance, was released last year to rapturous critical praise (many gave it 4 stars), but while I didn’t think it was perfect because of its uneven plot, it was certainly enjoyable and enthralling and worth seeing, making the 3 star rating a perfect score for the film according to my liking.






3 and ½ stars / 4 stars – Much like 2½ stars, the 3½ star rating can be quite confusing because many critics use it differently – essentially, the 3½ star rating comes down to how a critic differentiates it from his/her 4 star rating. While many critics will give a film four stars for being visually and technically perfect, I use the rating more like Rolling Stone’s Peter Travers, a critic who rarely gives 4 stars to films. For Travers, the 4 star rating is a highly opinionated score to give a movie and is reserved for films that go above and beyond technical perfection and hit emotions and bring out feelings that you wouldn’t think a film could draw out. In other words, both 3½ star films and 4 star films are both award-worthy, must-see pictures with strong acting and directing, the only difference just depends on how the film moves me. For instance, last year’s classics The Tree of Life and Drive were both brilliant films with some incredible components, but the only reason I gave Life 4 stars over Drive’s 3½ stars was because Life transported my mind into my own childhood and family experiences. Because Life so powerfully resonated with me emotionally, it was able to notch a perfect 4 star rating, but in no way does it mean that it’s technically a better film than Drive; in fact, Drive has a stylish noir direction and a performance by Ryan Gosling that is hypnotically addictive and thrilling. If rating films was solely based on the technical components, than Drive would’ve received 4 stars easily and without hesitation, but because I use the 4 star rating selectively it had to settle with 3½ stars. Either way, 3½ and 4 star ratings are scores that signify powerful, must-see films – the difference solely depends on the preference of the reviewer.


http://sharfatthemovies.wordpress.com/2012/04/27/4stars/


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Note- i disagree that the first transformers movie was bad.
The average score rating was 3/5,so that's not bad.
 
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This is pretty crazy. I have to say, I'm pretty taken aback by all of this. It seems like every blockbuster that's come out since Avengers has been divisive.

Prometheus, TDKR, Iron Man 3, STID, etc. I really thought MOS was going to be a slam dunk. Maybe it still will be for me, we'll see. I'm staying as reasonably optimistic as possible. I'm one of TDKR's biggest defenders on the Batboards, and I adore that film with a firey passion. I recognize that it has some flaws (as all three films do), but to me it stunningly transcends those flaws and ends up greater than the sum of its parts. More importantly it was emotionally a total slam dunk with me. I always expected MoS to have flaws, I just never considered the possibility that it might not transcend those flaws because the trailers are absolutely beautiful and have a STRONG emotional pull.

I really feel like I can go either way at this point, which is oddly exciting in a way.

Gotta tread carefully with Snyder movies. Watchmen had an incredible trailer. Movie turned out good, but not incredible.
 
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