The Dark Knight To those who think Nolan -doesn't- get "it".

[Superwoman Prime]

* Does anyone here think Nolan is devoid of a true imagination?

* Originally, Nolan didn't want the Scarecrow to even wear a mask. Imagine what he might do to the Joker's image. It could be completely ruined!

* Is Nolan's Batman too dry and unimaginative?

* Could Nolan's obsession with realism be the second death of the Batman franchise?


(these questions/statements do not necessarily reflect the viewpoint of LordofHypertime or anyone associated with him.)

 

[Bathead]

Pardon me if I'm being a little dense, but what exactly is your point?

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

* Does anyone here think Nolan is devoid of a true imagination?

No.

* Originally, Nolan didn't want the Scarecrow to even wear a mask. Imagine what he might do to the Joker's image. It could be completely ruined!

Has this been confirmed?

And, from everything we hear, the Joker's "image" will be fine.

* Is Nolan's Batman too dry and unimaginative?

No.

* Could Nolan's obsession with realism be the second death of the Batman franchise?

Why would it be?

 

[Anita18]

* Does anyone here think Nolan is devoid of a true imagination?

* Originally, Nolan didn't want the Scarecrow to even wear a mask. Imagine what he might do to the Joker's image. It could be completely ruined!

Those two questions juxtaposed make for an interesting argument...if Nolan didn't have any creativity at all, he wouldn't have asked if Scarecrow needed to wear a mask, LOL. I don't think it was ever a concrete plan that Nolan wanted to put into the film - it seemed like an idea he just threw at Goyer for discussion. If he was going to be directing a comic book film, it seems important (at least to me) to understand the reasonings for a character to be doing something. Why is it important for Scarecrow to wear the mask? What would be the ramifications if he didn't? Seem like good questions for discussion to me. Obviously, the answer "Just because he does" wasn't good enough for Nolan, LOL.

 

[Parker]

Those two questions juxtaposed make for an interesting argument...if Nolan didn't have any creativity at all, he wouldn't have asked if Scarecrow needed to wear a mask, LOL. I don't think it was ever a concrete plan that Nolan wanted to put into the film - it seemed like an idea he just threw at Goyer for discussion. If he was going to be directing a comic book film, it seems important (at least to me) to understand the reasonings for a character to be doing something. Why is it important for Scarecrow to wear the mask? What would be the ramifications if he didn't? Seem like good questions for discussion to me. Obviously, the answer "Just because he does" wasn't good enough for Nolan, LOL.

Yeah, thank goodness some genius on the board stood up and threw out the idea of using Scarecrow's mask as a device to keep his fear toxin from affecting him. Thank you, Mr. Anonymous.

 

[Alpha and Omega]

* Does anyone here think Nolan is devoid of a true imagination?

No, my lord. He is not.

* Originally, Nolan didn't want the Scarecrow to even wear a mask. Imagine what he might do to the Joker's image. It could be completely ruined!

He has done nothing to receive doubt. He's 1-0 in my book.

* Is Nolan's Batman too dry and unimaginative?

Imo, it's the 2nd best Batman film to date, and only a slight second to the first one.

* Could Nolan's obsession with realism be the second death of the Batman franchise?

No. Realism is giving people a deeper association with the character. Only rabid fan-boys would complain about that. Screw them.

(these questions/statements do not necessarily reflect the viewpoint of LordofHypertime or anyone associated with him.)

This just turned into an a broadcasting infomercial.

 

[Bathead]

^^^About the realism aspect ^^^
It's the so-called rabid fanboys that are perverting the use of the term, wanting to change the characters to the point of unrecognizablity. Which is unacceptable. I really don't think Nolan himself is as rabid about it as these fans are.
Some change is good, but the way some fans talk, we would end up with another Catwoman type fiasco.

 

[Texas Zombie]

wha

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah, some fanboys have ran with the realsim concept to the point that you'd swear they think BATMAN BEGINS is a documentary and not a film.

I don't get the feeling, from interviews and things Nolan has said, that it's quite that way with them. Everyone's gone with Realism for they're movies...Rami has, Singer has....the ONLY reason it's so much stronger with Batman is b/c he's human...he has no powers. But....it's STILL a movie...STILL fantasy....and I think Nolan understands that.

I mean....****, yeah he does. The Batmobile was jumping rooftops. Yes, there's an explanation for it.......but it's still crazy stuff. But, good crazy.

 

[chosen1]

* Does anyone here think Nolan is devoid of a true imagination?

* Originally, Nolan didn't want the Scarecrow to even wear a mask. Imagine what he might do to the Joker's image. It could be completely ruined!

* Is Nolan's Batman too dry and unimaginative?

* Could Nolan's obsession with realism be the second death of the Batman franchise?


(these questions/statements do not necessarily reflect the viewpoint of LordofHypertime or anyone associated with him.)

I understand your question completely and while others would enjot chopping you down for asking these legitament but revisited questions. I think that it is fine for now. But your right there is a little fear of him going the route of unwanted realism. Batman Begins was perfect. We still dont know if Ras is immortal or not. We can only wait until next film to see which way he's going.

 

[MacLeod]

I understand everyone being a fan of Nolan, it's hard not to be a fan after what happend to Batman and Robin. However, I can see the fear that people have because of Nolan. I thought Begins was great but there are some things that I think Nolan pulled a Schumacher on. Realism is necessary but in some cases, in my opinion, it takes away from "Batman." There is no need to have cape clips or another rubber suit and even though the Tumbler is an amazing vehicle it's still a Tumbler not a Batmobile. I hope you see my point, I'm not putting him down but I see the fear that others feel.

 

[7Hells]

Batman is realism.
He is the first and most popular realistic superhero and thats why his fans love him.
Because anyone can be Batman with enough work.
If you dont get that you dont get Batman.

Nolan gets it.

 

[MacLeod]

That's why it is called an opinion. I never said he didn't get it, but I do wish he got it a little different sometimes. I do think Batman is as real as it gets, heck I try to live my life with the physicality and determination that Batman has. With that said though I wish there were things diffenent, things that if I were a director would have made different. People have to stop blindly following the beliefe Nolan is great just because the movie is great. It was a great movie, but there is always something that is better, even if it is just opinion.

 

[7Hells]

^Did I quote you?

 

[MacLeod]

^Did I quote you?

I think I'm lost. I responding to the Nolan gets it thing. I agree that Batman is realistic and people have to relate to that. I just think there are different ways to watch the real world on film.

 

[Hades]

I don't know about the relating thing.

I mean, Bruce is pretty messed up. I can relate to messed up people, but at the same time he's rich, he hangs out with socialite people and he dresses up as a giant bat in most of his free time. Which...I can't really relate to. And while Batman may definitely be one of the most realistic superheroes, he's still not that realistic.

 

[TheVileOne]

People who think Nolan is obsessed with realism didn't watch the third act of the movie .

Seriously, that whole sequence basically ripped off an action scene from LXG.

 

[Arach Knight]

People have to stop blindly following the beliefe Nolan is great just because the movie is great.

Ummm...is Batman Begins, the only Chris Nolan film you've ever seen? That's like people assuming Joel Schumaker is a bad director, just because of his run on Batman (for the record, Shumaker also directed Phone Booth and the original 8MM. Both of which are fairly strong movies). Nolan has also done Memento...which is easily one of the most brilliant mind screw movies, next to Fight Club. Nobody has blind faith in the man. He has proven himself capable on many occassions. In fact, i'm going to see The Prestiege, mainly based on that merit (that, and after seeing The Illusionist, i'm on a kick for these magic movies)

 

[MacLeod]

I never wanted to imply that Nolan can't make a movie. I thought you were saying that Nolan gets Batman. I won't disagree at all that Nolan is creative and can direct a good movie but like any fan I have some things that I'm not happy with in Begins. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, assuming of course that we are not misunderstanding each other.

 

[Anita18]

Well, honestly, we could sit here and nitpick with BB all we wanted, but it still isn't going to change the fact that Nolan is going to be directing the next movie and not you. Everyone's interpretation of Batman is different, and obviously Nolan pleased a lot of the fans with BB. Sure, it's not everyone's exact vision of Batman, but honestly it was never going to be since everyone has their own vision. However, it had great integrity, right? Didn't Nolan do his research on the comic book history to try and make a Batman movie from the source material? Can we all at least agree on that?

I dunno, I feel like if we were to start talking about how Nolan wasn't the best choice for a Batman movie just because we didn't find it perfect for our personal visions of the character, that it wouldn't get anywhere. Of course it's not going to be a perfect vision for every fan, because it was directed by a single person. (It was written by two people, both of them Batman fans, but still only two people.) At the end of the day, it's only Nolan who really gets to call all of the shots. Only when each one of us has $150 million (and the Hollywood cred to attract good actors, LOL) to spend on our own Batman movie, could each of our personal interpretations of Batman be fulfilled.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Batman is realism.
He is the first and most popular realistic superhero and thats why his fans love him.
Because anyone can be Batman with enough work.
If you dont get that you dont get Batman.

Nolan gets it.

Exactly.

Your so sexy when you prove how big a Batman fan.

I never wanted to imply that Nolan can't make a movie. I thought you were saying that Nolan gets Batman. I won't disagree at all that Nolan is creative and can direct a good movie but like any fan I have some things that I'm not happy with in Begins. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, assuming of course that we are not misunderstanding each other.

Thing is, you implied that Batman Begins was too real.

And your wrong.

I mean, gliding from uilding to building is still pretty damn creative. The Batmobile jumping from rooftop to rooftop is something that is not exactly something you'd see in a documentary.

And, As for what you said about the Tumbler and it's look. I think it actually IS creative to go the opposite way, instead of doing what the previous films did....making it look so stylish.

I mean, technically....if it had the basic Batmobile stuff.....fins, booster engine, looked like the others......it would NOT have been creative b/c it's something we've all seen done before.

 

[Arach Knight]

I never wanted to imply that Nolan can't make a movie. I thought you were saying that Nolan gets Batman. I won't disagree at all that Nolan is creative and can direct a good movie but like any fan I have some things that I'm not happy with in Begins. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, assuming of course that we are not misunderstanding each other.

There was no misunderstanding. Your words, verbatum were "People have to stop blindly following the beliefe Nolan is great just because the movie is great." That seems like you were attacking Nolan's directorial skills, and not Batman Begins itself. So, I rightfully vouched for his credit, with an example. If there is any discrepancy, it lies entirely upon your inability to fully communicate your intended thoughts. With that said, we can move on to the next sub category of your statement.

Nolan's vision of Batman is as close to accurate as they come. The mere fact that he had the radio communicator in the ears of the cowl, combined with the kevlar-esque armor, shows the firm adherence to the source material. Those are ideas straight out of the Batman Handbook (which is a literal, large, published work of how Batman works). Most of the characters (Falconi, Flass, Leutinant Gordon) are all takes on characters heavily featured in Year One, Long Halloween and Dark Victory. Even his take on the Batmobile, is borrowed from the comic books (The Dark Knight Returns).

While Burtons vision is perhaps fondly enjoyed for providing a darker image for Batman in visual media (the last representation being the 60's, Adam West rendition), but it is easily, less accurate to the source material. In Batman Begins, Joe Chill is the murder of Bruce's parents. In Batman, the murder is the Joker, who is further, given a name (which he doesn't have one in the comics). there are so many inaccuracies in the Burton version, yet people have no problem with claiming it in glory (myself being one of them. It is one of the best comic book films of all time). So there is really little to no reason to nag about Batman Begins, which is not only the best comic book movie by means of it's deft delivery, but by it's ability to viciously adhere to the source material, to bring us the most accurate portayal of a comic book figure, on film, yet.

 

[7Hells]

Arach Knight for president!!

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Damn, yeah....I'd vote for him.

Btw, that Batman Handbook.....good read. I love that book. Some useful stuff in there, actually.

 

[Arach Knight]

Thanks for the vote of confidence..I try