TOMB RAIDER is now exclusive

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It is interesting. People complain the X-Box doesn't have exclusive, and then when they get them, people complain. Personally, I think it is crap that there won't be a PC version at least, but this is smart business for both companies. Considering the publisher for Tomb Raider was disappointed with the sales of the last game, even though they were quite strong, they probably just paid for development of this game with this move.

This will make finally getting an X-box One easier for me, to go along with my PS4 and Wii U.
 
Unfortunate, as I was definitely planning on getting this, having loved the reboot PS4 port. Guess I'll have to either wait for a port... or just not get it.
 
Unfortunate, as I was definitely planning on getting this, having loved the reboot PS4 port. Guess I'll have to either wait for a port... or just not get it.
Or buy an Xbox.
 
I highly doubt that this will remain a permanent exclusive. And at this rate, I just don't see the Xbox One ever taking the lead.
This looks a lot like the Bayonetta 2 situation, which might me it really is an real exclusive. If Microsoft are paying for most, if not all the production cost, it will stay exclusive. The question then becomes if this is a one-off thing, or if Microsoft have ability to purchase the exclusivity rights of the next game.

On the Sony/Microsoft race. I don't think we will really know anything until Halo 5 hits.
 
This looks a lot like the Bayonetta 2 situation, which might me it really is an real exclusive. If Microsoft are paying for most, if not all the production cost, it will stay exclusive. The question then becomes if this is a one-off thing, or if Microsoft have ability to purchase the exclusivity rights of the next game.
It doesn't look like Bayonetta 2 at all though. The first Bayonetta's sales were rather poor. While it sold enough from being a financial disaster, it just didn't sell well enough to warrant a sequel. If it weren't for Nintendo, Bayonetta 2 wouldn't have been made at all.

Tomb Raider on the other hand can only be considered a disappointment solely because Square-Enix's expectation's for the game were absurdly unrealistic. But a Tomb Raider sequel was going to happen. And Square-Enix is no Platinum Games where they need some other publisher to fund their games. And Microsoft is not taking up publishing duties of the title either.

This seems more like a Titanfall styled deal as opposed to a Bayonetta 2 type one where Microsoft isn't paying for exclusivity by paying for production costs nor are they taking up publishing duties. They're essentially paying Square-Enix exclusivity plus lost projected sales that would have happened on the PlayStation 4.

I doubt that this will be a permanent exclusive though. The first game in the series sold far better on the PlayStation 3 and PlayStation 4 than it did on the Xbox 360 and Xbox One. And the install base of the PlayStation 4 is twice that of the Xbox One as well to where they would be cutting off sales to the point of irresponsibility and could end up hurting the series in the long run to where we do end up with a Prototype/MLB2K situation if the second game is exclusive for far too long.
 
MS is backing the game. It will stay exclusive. Bravo Microsoft.
 
On the Sony/Microsoft race. I don't think we will really know anything until Halo 5 hits.
The console races really comes down to who had a better start. Last generation, the Xbox 360 had a much better start with a better games library, a lower price, better marketing and a great online system. It's why it dominated in the English speaking territories, and I think it would have taken the overall lead if the Xbox brand were a bit stronger outside of English speaking territories. The PlayStation 3 launch was just such a disaster, that Sony really could never catch up with the momentum of the Xbox 360. The PlayStation brand strong in Japan and Europe and being at least able to somewhat recover with the successful relaunch saved it, but I think that we can all agree that the PlayStation 3 was the clear loser last generation with Microsoft being the biggest winner.

The Xbox 360 was such a clear winner that Western publishers expected the Xbox One to be the dominant console this generation, and it was Microsoft's plan as well. Xbox was to establish the brand, Xbox 360 was to be the console where everything took off, and Xbox One was to be where dominance was established. It's why EA was very comfortable in making Titanfall an Xbox exclusive against the wishes of Respawn. It's a deal they now regret.

With the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 on the other hand, the situation is now in reverse. The Xbox One was never going to win in the non-English speaking territories, it's Sony's bread and butter. But the PlayStation 4 is coming out on top in the Microsoft integral English speaking territories in the United States, Canada, Australia, and the United Kingdom. Microsoft's marketing and handling of the Xbox One launch was just horrendous. Now while I think that Microsoft will recover, they're already showing that they're doing just that, I just don't see them ever coming out on top.

The Xbox One launch was just as bad as the PlayStation 3 launch and it cost them a lot of momentum. Sony has done a great job trying to get initial Xbox 360 and Wii converts and now those people are showing off the systems to their friends. It's just like how the Xbox 360 was great at getting people from the PlayStation 2 to convert to their system.

Halo 5 isn't going to stop that. Just like how Metal Gear Solid 4 didn't save the PlayStation 3.
 
MS is backing the game. It will stay exclusive. Bravo Microsoft.
They're backing the game in terms of paying for exclusivity and will probably help market the game the way they have marketed other third party games (like the previous Tomb Raider). But nothing so far has pointed to Microsoft straight up funding and publishing the game the way Nintendo has done for Bayonetta 2 or Microsoft has done with Dead Rising 3.
 
The console races really comes down to who had a better start. Last generation, the Xbox 360 had a much better start with a better games library, a lower price, better marketing and a great online system. It's why it dominated in the English speaking territories, and I think it would have taken the overall lead if the Xbox brand were a bit stronger outside of English speaking territories. The PlayStation 3 launch was just such a disaster, that Sony really could never catch up with the momentum of the Xbox 360. The PlayStation brand strong in Japan and Europe and being at least able to somewhat recover with the successful relaunch saved it, but I think that we can all agree that the PlayStation 3 was the clear loser last generation with Microsoft being the biggest winner.
You're right and wrong about some things. Firstly, yes the Ps3 launch was a damn disaster, BUT I wouldn't say Ps3 took third place last generation, I judge that in terms of sales. Wii won, and 360 and Ps3 tied, which to me is a very impressive feat for Sony considering how much heat they were taking until 2008 when MGS4 dropped and then 2009 with the slimline and Uncharted 2.

In the bigger picture, Ps3 and 360 both sold about 80 million units worldwide, there may be a difference in a few million, but what does that matter when we're talking tens of millions ya know? I call it a tie. No clear victor between either although Ps3 was lagging IN third place for a very long time, yeah.

The Xbox 360 was such a clear winner that Western publishers expected the Xbox One to be the dominant console this generation, and it was Microsoft's plan as well. Xbox was to establish the brand, Xbox 360 was to be the console where everything took off, and Xbox One was to be where dominance was established. It's why EA was very comfortable in making Titanfall an Xbox exclusive against the wishes of Respawn. It's a deal they now regret.
well I'm sure those publishers expected the same with Ps3, seeing the massive success that the Ps2 was. Sony themselves probably expected consumers to swallow the $600 price tag because of all the momentum they had with Ps2.
With the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 on the other hand, the situation is now in reverse. The Xbox One was never going to win in the non-English speaking territories, it's Sony's bread and butter. But the PlayStation 4 is coming out on top in the Microsoft integral English speaking territories in the United States, Canada, Australia, and the United Kingdom. Microsoft's marketing and handling of the Xbox One launch was just horrendous. Now while I think that Microsoft will recover, they're already showing that they're doing just that, I just don't see them ever coming out on top.
I don't think the gap is quite as big as some people are exaggerating. I honestly think (and I'm afraid will happen) that Xbone can easily close the gap soon, as soon as this holiday season, as I've stated several times already.
The Xbox One launch was just as bad as the PlayStation 3 launch and it cost them a lot of momentum. Sony has done a great job trying to get initial Xbox 360 and Wii converts and now those people are showing off the systems to their friends. It's just like how the Xbox 360 was great at getting people from the PlayStation 2 to convert to their system.
[/quote]that is not true man! the xbone launch was great, didn't they sell a million the first day? the only thing is that it just wasn't AS good as the Ps4, that's all. But looking at its launch by itself by no means was it bad.
Halo 5 isn't going to stop that. Just like how Metal Gear Solid 4 didn't save the PlayStation 3.
MGS4 came out almost 2 years after the Ps3 launched. This is still the first whole year of the new generation, things can easily turn around... especially with a halo remastered/remake collection
 
You're right and wrong about some things. Firstly, yes the Ps3 launch was a damn disaster, BUT I wouldn't say Ps3 took third place last generation, I judge that in terms of sales. Wii won, and 360 and Ps3 tied, which to me is a very impressive feat for Sony considering how much heat they were taking until 2008 when MGS4 dropped and then 2009 with the slimline and Uncharted 2.
The success of the Wii gave Nintendo great short term success but really hurt it in the long run. Eventually people stopped buying Wii games, it alienated Nintendo with third party support, and Nintendo thought that continuing with out of date hardware was somehow a good idea.

In the bigger picture, Ps3 and 360 both sold about 80 million units worldwide, there may be a difference in a few million, but what does that matter when we're talking tens of millions ya know? I call it a tie. No clear victor between either although Ps3 was lagging IN third place for a very long time, yeah.
But compare it to sales of the PlayStation 2 and Xbox. The PlayStation 2 was the dominant console of last generation while the Xbox was mainly a niche product for hardcore gamers.

Then came the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 where consumers embraced the Xbox 360 to the point where it almost tied with the PlayStation 3, sales from the PlayStation 2 to PlayStation 3 declined, and developers preferred making games for the Xbox 360 as well. If you ask me, the real winner here was Microsoft for the massive gains they made last generation.

well I'm sure those publishers expected the same with Ps3, seeing the massive success that the Ps2 was. Sony themselves probably expected consumers to swallow the $600 price tag because of all the momentum they had with Ps2.
Sony got cocky and it bit them in the ass. But developers always had a hard time developing for the PlayStation brand, it's why they easily jumped to the Xbox 360 when the opportunity was ripe.

I don't think the gap is quite as big as some people are exaggerating. I honestly think (and I'm afraid will happen) that Xbone can easily close the gap soon, as soon as this holiday season, as I've stated several times already.
Except the gap is widening, especially since the PlayStation brand is stronger in non-English speaking territories.

that is not true man! the xbone launch was great, didn't they sell a million the first day? the only thing is that it just wasn't AS good as the Ps4, that's all. But looking at its launch by itself by no means was it bad.
The Wii U even posted good numbers the day it launched. It was a botched launch. If it weren't we wouldn't be seeing Microsoft backtracking on so many things like Kinect 2.0 and whatnot.

MGS4 came out almost 2 years after the Ps3 launched. This is still the first whole year of the new generation, things can easily turn around... especially with a halo remastered/remake collection
A remastered edition of games that came out over 10 years ago is not going to turn things around. Halo 5 is one thing, but the Master Chief Collection....not so much.
 
Wow, did not see this coming! If it's another timed exclusive it's a complete waste, if it's permanent it's huge.
 
It doesn't look like Bayonetta 2 at all though. The first Bayonetta's sales were rather poor. While it sold enough from being a financial disaster, it just didn't sell well enough to warrant a sequel. If it weren't for Nintendo, Bayonetta 2 wouldn't have been made at all.

Tomb Raider on the other hand can only be considered a disappointment solely because Square-Enix's expectation's for the game were absurdly unrealistic. But a Tomb Raider sequel was going to happen. And Square-Enix is no Platinum Games where they need some other publisher to fund their games. And Microsoft is not taking up publishing duties of the title either.

This seems more like a Titanfall styled deal as opposed to a Bayonetta 2 type one where Microsoft isn't paying for exclusivity by paying for production costs nor are they taking up publishing duties. They're essentially paying Square-Enix exclusivity plus lost projected sales that would have happened on the PlayStation 4.

I doubt that this will be a permanent exclusive though. The first game in the series sold far better on the PlayStation 3 and PlayStation 4 than it did on the Xbox 360 and Xbox One. And the install base of the PlayStation 4 is twice that of the Xbox One as well to where they would be cutting off sales to the point of irresponsibility and could end up hurting the series in the long run to where we do end up with a Prototype/MLB2K situation if the second game is exclusive for far too long.
Are you saying Titanfall isn't a full exclusive? Not talking a sequel, but the first one. The thing that makes me thing TR is a real exclusive, is they seemingly cancelled the PC release, which doesn't make much sense for Microsoft, unless they are trying to shift Xbox Ones.

The console races really comes down to who had a better start. Last generation, the Xbox 360 had a much better start with a better games library, a lower price, better marketing and a great online system. It's why it dominated in the English speaking territories, and I think it would have taken the overall lead if the Xbox brand were a bit stronger outside of English speaking territories. The PlayStation 3 launch was just such a disaster, that Sony really could never catch up with the momentum of the Xbox 360. The PlayStation brand strong in Japan and Europe and being at least able to somewhat recover with the successful relaunch saved it, but I think that we can all agree that the PlayStation 3 was the clear loser last generation with Microsoft being the biggest winner.

The Xbox 360 was such a clear winner that Western publishers expected the Xbox One to be the dominant console this generation, and it was Microsoft's plan as well. Xbox was to establish the brand, Xbox 360 was to be the console where everything took off, and Xbox One was to be where dominance was established. It's why EA was very comfortable in making Titanfall an Xbox exclusive against the wishes of Respawn. It's a deal they now regret.

With the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 on the other hand, the situation is now in reverse. The Xbox One was never going to win in the non-English speaking territories, it's Sony's bread and butter. But the PlayStation 4 is coming out on top in the Microsoft integral English speaking territories in the United States, Canada, Australia, and the United Kingdom. Microsoft's marketing and handling of the Xbox One launch was just horrendous. Now while I think that Microsoft will recover, they're already showing that they're doing just that, I just don't see them ever coming out on top.

The Xbox One launch was just as bad as the PlayStation 3 launch and it cost them a lot of momentum. Sony has done a great job trying to get initial Xbox 360 and Wii converts and now those people are showing off the systems to their friends. It's just like how the Xbox 360 was great at getting people from the PlayStation 2 to convert to their system.

Halo 5 isn't going to stop that. Just like how Metal Gear Solid 4 didn't save the PlayStation 3.
Metal Gear Solid wasn't to Sony what Halo is to the Xbox. Halo legitimately moves system. You may very well be right, but I don't expect Microsoft to give up. Also in the end, 360 and PS3 ended up pretty close to 80m consoles sold, with plenty of software sold.
 
Did a new thread need to be created? Couldn't the old one just be moved?
 
The success of the Wii gave Nintendo great short term success but really hurt it in the long run. Eventually people stopped buying Wii games, it alienated Nintendo with third party support, and Nintendo thought that continuing with out of date hardware was somehow a good idea.
no doubt no doubt, but you still cannot argue with the numbers. wii did 100, while 360 & Ps3 did 80. no matter how you or i choose to look at it, the wii came out on top.

and yeah, I thought it was stupid that the wii u followed suit with its predecessor. i really hope the next nintendo platform will be up to specs with Ps5/Xbox Two, so that we can go back to the Ps2/X1/Gamecube days and have nintendo always a part of the conversation when talking microsoft and sony video games.
But compare it to sales of the PlayStation 2 and Xbox. The PlayStation 2 was the dominant console of last generation while the Xbox was mainly a niche product for hardcore gamers.

Then came the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 where consumers embraced the Xbox 360 to the point where it almost tied with the PlayStation 3, sales from the PlayStation 2 to PlayStation 3 declined, and developers preferred making games for the Xbox 360 as well. If you ask me, the real winner here was Microsoft for the massive gains they made last generation.
the last time someone argued to me [not that you're straight arguing with me, we're havin a perfectly civil discussion (so far ;))] that the Ps3 failed when compared to the 360 and/or wii, that IS actually exactly what I was thinking. if we go back 2 generations, the Ps2 kicked everyone else's ass and was king. BUT, the most recent generation is nowhere near the same caliber! wii u is #1, 360 was a close second the whole time with PS3 lagging in 3rd half of the time but EVENTUALLY picked up enough popularity to match the 360's. that's not what happened 2 generations ago. the gamecube and x1 stood no match against the Ps2, even though those systems had their own gems of games.
Sony got cocky and it bit them in the ass. But developers always had a hard time developing for the PlayStation brand, it's why they easily jumped to the Xbox 360 when the opportunity was ripe.
absolutely, and shame on sony for doing so. in all honesty, i think what they should have done was make the 1st iteration Ps3 closer to what eventually became the slimline i.e. have the 60gb 2006 model be non-backwards compatible without any memory card slots and 2 usb ports. that way, the initial cost of the Ps4 might have been like $400 which would have made things way better for sony. and then in 2009 when the eventually redesigned, the now super slim model could have been the actual slim model then, for an even smaller fraction of the price.

I bet if they did that, they wouldn't have lost all those exclusives. maybe some of them still wouldn't have gone but the 2 most important, Tekken 6 and FFXIII, wouldn't have.
Except the gap is widening, especially since the PlayStation brand is stronger in non-English speaking territories.
the gap is only widening because the xbone isn't even out in most of those territories. speaking of which, why the hell is microsoft even waiting so long to release the xbone in those regions?!?! makes the race not even fair!

The Wii U even posted good numbers the day it launched. It was a botched launch. If it weren't we wouldn't be seeing Microsoft backtracking on so many things like Kinect 2.0 and whatnot.
dude the Xbone is selling fine. the Ps4 already outsold and I'm certain the Xbone will eclipse it soon as well.
A remastered edition of games that came out over 10 years ago is not going to turn things around. Halo 5 is one thing, but the Master Chief Collection....not so much.
look man I would like to believe you, and even if you were right, the fact of the matter is this remastered collection is technically still a AAA title, and there's nothing coming out on Ps4 around the holiday season to compete with it. Sony will lose.
 
I really enjoy the Tomb Raider games, but I am a PS guy. I really don't like it when they do stuff like this. I know it's their way of getting more XBox players, but won't it hurt Tomb Raider sales?

http://www.ranker.com/list/tomb-raider-games/video-game-info

technically halo and uncharted sales are hurt since they're never released for playstation and xbox respectively. I tend to think of it another way; it will increase demand for the xbone dramatically.
 
technically halo and uncharted sales are hurt since they're never released for playstation and xbox respectively. I tend to think of it another way; it will increase demand for the xbone dramatically.

well........we don't know that for sure.

has a Tomb Raider game ever been a system seller?
 
The only games that should be console exclusive at this point today are games from Microsoft Studios and other companies they own, Sony and their companies, and Nintendo IMO. To have a game by a third party company be an exclusive is just ridiculous in this age, especially considering that the previous game was multiform and sold better on PS and PC than Xbox, the console in last place.

Another reason to be annoyed at SE, I'm sure Microsoft brought the bags of money to SE/Crystal Dynamics to make this happen. I'm not upset at Microsoft (I actually plan on getting a Xbox One in about a year), I'm upset at SE. Really hoping its a timed exclusive.
 
So if MS bought SE, this would be more acceptable?

Yes, I would be sad to loose so many franchises to exclusivity that have existed on all sorts of systems (Tomb Raider, Final Fantasy, Hitman, Deus Ex, Dragon Quest, etc) before but it would be more acceptable. I think? I mean something like that happening would be insanely huge and similar to when Microsoft bought Rare, which probably seemed impossible to some at the time.
 
technically halo and uncharted sales are hurt since they're never released for playstation and xbox respectively. I tend to think of it another way; it will increase demand for the xbone dramatically.
I really don't see Tomb Raider as a series that would move Xbox Ones the way Halo 5 and Gears of War 4 will.
 
well it's both this AND halo 5 coming out q4 next year right?

oh, Halo 5 will be a system seller. TR will be a nice exclusive to have certainly, but I'm not sure it will be a system seller.

it will certainly be another incentive to get an X1 if you like TR and are considering getting an X1.

but, do I see people getting an X1 JUST for the next TR game?

no, unless you're a diehard TR fan.

In my case, the TR exclusivity is just another factor that's making me lean towards getting an X1. the big thing today was them announcing USB media playback. So 2 factors in favor of the X1.
 
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