Tone down the Superman mythos related Guest star casting!

Discussion in 'Misc. TV Series' started by NotFadeAway, Dec 26, 2007.

  1. NotFadeAway Registered

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2003
    Messages:
    5,584
    Likes Received:
    0
    Helen Slater, Marc McClure, Margot Kidder, Linda Carter, etc etc. Knock it off. It's not cute anymore, it's not funny. Alot of times, it hurts the character the actor is portraying. They should have found an actress with actual range and acting ability for Lara, it should have been an emotional rollercoaster of an episode. Same with Linda Carter. And why is Marc McClure going to be on television playing an old Kryptonian, an awesome idea that will probably be a one episode throw away. You don't introduce a character like that for ONE episode played by a bad actor who happened to be in Superman The Movie. Dax-Ur is an awesome idea, but will end up a throw away. It would have been awesome to have a de-powered Kryptonian in season two or three as a reoccuring or main character who befriends Clark. Hell, he could have even been fully powered but choosing to remain in hiding, hoping for a rescue transport that will never come. Not an evil man, but a Kryptonian who hid away from the world. No hidden agenda, just wanted to either be rescued or hopefully die one day, although impossible with powers. This could have served as a parrallel to Clark, seeing the difference this man could have made with his abilities, the good he could have done. Clark wouldn't want to repeat those mistakes. And then Dax-Ur could die sacrificing himself for Clark at some point.

    So much potential wasted. And why is time being devoted to Supergirl, the JLA, Black Canary, all this one off sh^t while the whole purpose of the show was to be about a young Clark Kent and a young Lex Luthor, and there journey to destiny? Does anyone else feel Clark and Lex's story has ben hurt by all this b.s.? Again, it's not cute anymore, knock it off, with a season eight bound to happen, there is still time to fulfill the shows true potential, which was much greater than waht we have recieved.
     
  2. avidreader Registered

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2005
    Messages:
    10,548
    Likes Received:
    0
    Because the majority of fans actually like seeing these past actors having a role in Smallville. It's not going to be to everyone's pleasing, but there are some fans out there that actually enjoy this stuff.

    Well I for one really enjoyed Helen Slater's portrayal of Lara. I thought she was quite lovely. :yay:

    Gough & Millar had been trying to sway Linda Carter into a role for many seasons and she was the one that was waiting for the right role. I cant believe that she could have passed up any number of roles for playing Chloe's mum, but whatever....

    When was the last time you saw Marc McClure in a role? And we know very little about the role that he is playing and what kind of long term effect that will have on Clark and the series.

    Why? Clark wasnt ready for that kind of relationship in Seasons 2 or 3. He was only at a point where he was discovering that Krypton was a planet that no longer existed and coming to terms with the fact that he himself was an alien. The focus of the show back then was the Clark/Lex friendship. Bringing a Kryptonian into the mix then would not have worked at all.

    That's Clark story, except for the rescue ship. What would have been the point of telling Clark's story if someone else has already been there and done that.

    Are you suggesting that he has a hidden agenda? Because very little has been spoilt about the character and what he is doing here on Earth.

    If you give that story to someone else, it takes away the most dramatic, poignant and significant part of Clark's story.

    Once again why? We have other characters who have made sacrifices.

    The idea of a good story for a fan, doesnt necessarily equate to good television and just because the creators have taken a different path than what you would have, it doesnt mean that the path they have chosen is a waste of time.

    It is a TV show and they are always looking for other avenues to expand the business, so to speak, but its the interaction that Clark and Lex have with these other characters that is what makes their presence on the show worthwhile.

    You cant have a show that has Clark and Lex just interacting with each other. Bringing someone else into the mix who goes about their business in different ways and who has a different philosophy in life is what enables the audience to understand the point of view of the main characters.

    I dont think their story has been hurt at all. We're getting a deeper look at both of them in a way that we have never seen in any other incarnation of the two.

    Well that's your personal opinion of course, but we wouldnt be approaching a Season 8 if they hadnt been doing something right.
     
  3. AgentPat Squeaky wheel

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2004
    Messages:
    15,238
    Likes Received:
    0
    First off, 90% of your post is replete with spoilers. Dude, that's SO not cool. :mad: At least WARN people in the subject header or discuss those topics in the appropriate thread. Viewers who are trying to stay unspoiled are going to have a cow the size of Rhode Island when they read your post. *sigh*

    Secondly, pissing and moaning about a characterization that we've yet to see is kind of... silly. Unless I'm mistaken, Dax is not a character taken from the Superman mythos, so we have no clue what they're going to do with him outside of a few tantalizing spoilers. Why not wait till *after* the episode airs to complain?

    And finally, my personal opinion on Superman mythos casting is that it's hit and miss - just like any guest star. It really depends on the characters, writing and story. For example, I thought Dean Cain's character was awesome in Cure and the ep was quite enjoyable, but I thought Blue was a train wreck and Katherine Hepburn couldn't have saved it or Lara, never mind Helen Slater.
     
  4. Serene Registered

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2004
    Messages:
    10,281
    Likes Received:
    0
    And that's really it in a nutshell. Not that there's anything wrong with some poster coming in here to state his/her grievances with the show, but like avid said, we're looking at season 8 based on the decisions of the Goughlar. So love 'em or hate 'em, those guys have done a tremendous job in keeping this show successfully on the air for a long damn time.

    Pleasing everyone was never an option, but pleasing enough to keep things going is still quite an accomplishment.

    Personally, I like the mythology nods and the way they usually put their own SV spin on them. Let's face it, there have been so many incarnations and variations on comic characters that SV is really only following tradition in writing their own tale. Paying homage to established aspects of the mythos serves to keep those things familiar to the non-comic readers who do watch the show. No one's taking anyone's comics away; if you prefer those versions - have at it.
     
  5. mellyM Registered

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2005
    Messages:
    1,627
    Likes Received:
    0
    I do agree that the focus seems off this season--there seems to be an emotional element missing this season that I can't quite put my finger on, and I did wish that someone more effective had been cast as Lara, maybe at least we could have had a few touching moments, but Blue sucked no matter what, I guess more kryptonians is a bad thing (we have the best one on the show full-time anyway:))

    I agree we shouldn't pre-judge the Dax-ur casting, I do wish they'd just hire whoever is right for the role instead of their superman resume, but for the most part its worked. And I imagine its nice for the die-hards, though I had to re-watch STM to be sure Jimmy was even in it and I've seen it many many times since I was a kid, but thats just me, lol.
     
  6. Super_Ludacris Registered

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2003
    Messages:
    19,927
    Likes Received:
    0
    Its called stunt casting and its done because the writers did not expect this thing to go almost 8 seasons...
     
  7. Prison Mike Don't drop the soap!

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2007
    Messages:
    42,051
    Likes Received:
    3,221
    yet another thread filled with complaints. :whatever:
     
  8. Syncos ROFLICIOUS

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2006
    Messages:
    3,855
    Likes Received:
    1
    Yah. At least Smallville went awhile on their own without falling back on it. Look at Heroes. They had tons of stunt casting in their first season.

    It's a proven system that boosts ratings. If someone doesn't like it, there's no gun to your head forcing you to watch.

    *looks around* yup. Same ol same.
     
  9. Super_Ludacris Registered

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2003
    Messages:
    19,927
    Likes Received:
    0
    I remember back during the first couple of seasons wondering when they were gonna do it, cause after Scrubs and Friends I sorta felt it was inevitable others were gonna do it
     
  10. The Incredible Hulk Bad Hombre

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2001
    Messages:
    33,095
    Likes Received:
    93
    We've had this discussion 1,00 times before. They do this stuff for the fans and fans only. People like Dean Cain, Mark McClure, Helen Slater, and Lynda Carter arent going to give them a big ratings boost. The fans who are already watching the shows are the ones who get the most out of seeing these familiar people doing guest spots. The only one that was a potential ratings getter was when Reeve appeared on the show, yet no one has ever complained about that. Sort of ironic.

    As for McClure, he's been part of 2 of the most successful movie franchises of all time time, Superman and BTTF. Not too shabby if you ask me.
     
  11. storyteller Registered

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2002
    Messages:
    4,162
    Likes Received:
    0
    All the guest spot do is cover up how bad the writing is. Because with a predicable formula to the show, they need to put a nice bow on the crap.
     
  12. NotFadeAway Registered

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2003
    Messages:
    5,584
    Likes Received:
    0
    I only say this stuff because I care. As a huge Superman fan, I like the show. I loved it more during seasons 1-4, but hey, I still really like it. I think they have made some mistakes, and have focused time and energy in places it didn't really need to be. I love the actors they have, I think Rosenbaum is the greatest Lex Luthor ever. I would love to see a movie with Welling, Rosenbaum, Durance, McKean, and Ashmore. With a great writer and a good Director of course.

    It's just that this series had SOOOOOO much potential it was sick, and it hasn't been fully used in all the seasons. They fall back on stunt casting, gimmick writing, and things like Zod and JLA.

    I think the one thing Smallville has never had is a kick ass showrunner. It's never had a guy like Ronald D. Moore or David Fury in the writing room, which is very important for a show like this one.
     
  13. NotFadeAway Registered

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2003
    Messages:
    5,584
    Likes Received:
    0
    I only say this stuff because I care. As a huge Superman fan, I like the show. I loved it more during seasons 1-4, but hey, I still really like it. I think they have made some mistakes, and have focused time and energy in places it didn't really need to be. I love the actors they have, I think Rosenbaum is the greatest Lex Luthor ever. I would love to see a movie with Welling, Rosenbaum, Durance, McKean, and Ashmore. With a great writer and a good Director of course.

    It's just that this series had SOOOOOO much potential it was sick, and it hasn't been fully used in all the seasons. They fall back on stunt casting, gimmick writing, and things like Zod and JLA, and Supergirl. I still want someone to sit me down and explain to me why a show about a coming age Clark Kent needs Supergirl in it and how it makes the show better? What is the purpose? How does it move along the plot line? It doesn't, it's gimmick writing.

    I think the one thing Smallville has never had is a kick ass showrunner. It's never had a guy like Ronald D. Moore or David Fury in the writing room, which is very important for a show like this one.

    I used the Dax-Ur thing as an example. Another Kryptonian living on Earth, that should be HUGE, but it sounds like it will be one off. That could be a season long arc, but it won't be. And Marc McClure in the role proves that. I've always been in favor of some abandoned 100 or so year old Kryptonian living on Earth, sulking away and staying out of society. It wouldn't take away from Clark, it would show whats so special about Clark, he isn't going top sit on the sidelines and let bad things happen, Clark wants to make a difference. Seeing this sulking Kryptonian would probably show Clark he can have an average every day life, but he wouldn't want it, and that would be powerful character development, but it won't go down like that. Of course not.
     
  14. Eddie Brock Golden Domer

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2006
    Messages:
    25,154
    Likes Received:
    0
  15. Prison Mike Don't drop the soap!

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2007
    Messages:
    42,051
    Likes Received:
    3,221
    true, true.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice
monitoring_string = "afb8e5d7348ab9e99f73cba908f10802"