The Amazing Spider-Man Tone.

[Silverstein]

Seriously, everyone talks about villains and actors. I want to see a "Spider-Man" film. I don't care if they made Kingpin black, I don't care if spidey has metallic webbing, glass eyes, and micro-scales on his costume.

As long as it fits the "feeling of Spider-man", then it will be good. Most people don't really collect comics. They may read here and there, but it's only the fans or hardcore fans that are aware of like every character. That being said, they could even make someone like Spot a good character. In fact, sometimes I like him better than the over used over-hyped characters.

Anyway, outside of villains and actors, tell us: What do you think the tone of the film should be? By that I'm asking how the characters should act, how should the movie feel?

It's okay to use a villain or actor as an example, but don't focus on that. There's like 10 threads on those already.

 

[david icke]

Ideally I'd want Spider-man 4 to be a fast paced thriller, using characters like JJJ seriously. I mean, i think we got one scene with JJJ showing serious anger with the bit where he fired Brock, that was great, JK Simmons is a tremendous actor, they should use him for more than the funny.

Yeah, a fast paced thriller with Spidey racing to save Doc conners, the city, whoever, with humour coming from his personality as he deals with the situation.

I'm one of the few people who thought the 'saturday Night Parker' sequence in SM3 was very funny in the way it was intended, but it would be good to see a more serious take. Maybe we will get one due to the backlash against such sequences.
And I'm not talking about being dark and serious, like Batman, just serious as in a good plot with high stakes that get you wrapped up and involved in, with no need to spoonfeed the audience. If anything goes over the kid's heads they can appreciate it when they get older.

 

[Immortalfire]

Do not turn this into another "Spidey needs to be more like teh Batman!!!11!!!" thread.

Carry on.

 

[Silverstein]

Ideally I'd want Spider-man 4 to be a fast paced thriller, using characters like JJJ seriously. I mean, i think we got one scene with JJJ showing serious anger with the bit where he fired Brock, that was great, JK Simmons is a tremendous actor, they should use him for more than the funny.

Yeah, a fast paced thriller with Spidey racing to save Doc conners, the city, whoever, with humour coming from his personality as he deals with the situation.

I'm one of the few people who thought the 'saturday Night Parker' sequence in SM3 was very funny in the way it was intended, but it would be good to see a more serious take. Maybe we will get one due to the backlash against such sequences.
And I'm not talking about being dark and serious, like Batman, just serious as in a good plot with high stakes that get you wrapped up and involved in, with no need to spoonfeed the audience. If anything goes over the kid's heads they can appreciate it when they get older.

I see what you're saying. That'd be interesting.

 

[Vis]

The movie needs to be taken more seriously. I hate the whole tone of the Daily Bugle/JJJ, it's a circus of nothing but comedy-relief. How are you going to take the villains seriously, when a bunch of goofy clowns are naming them? Peter Parker/Spidey should be the only ones spewing the witty banter, not JJJ. JJJ should be a blood serious and angry character, but Simmons, like so many of the actors in Spider-Man, his talents are wasted because the script caters mostly to little kids. I really think Spider-Man himself should have been written like Tony Stark of the Iron Man movies, I like his various tone of humor.

I want the films setup in a tone where you can easily do a storyline like "Kraven's Last Hunt" or a really good action thriller with a character like Carnage or The Lizard. The way these films are setup, people laugh at you when you mention doing a story with a serial killer, or a guy who commits suicide in a Spider-Man movie. These are not elements that I made up, because I want Spider-Man films to be cool, dark and more adult-oriented, these are elements from the comics that can never be used, because Sony and Marvel see Spider-Man as their Hannah Montana.

"We must not upset the parents or write something that kids don't understand"--therefore everything gets watered-down.

I say that you can capture every element of Spider-Man's comics, even if the movies geared towards older teens/adults. I also believe you can make great Spider-Man films with non-A-List villains (SHOCKER comes to mind), if the tone was geared towards the 'Lord of the Rings' and 'The Bourne' movie audience. Which both of their latest films were PG-13 like Spider-Man, but you sure as hell wouldn't know that by watching them. And I don't have to tell you how many CHILDREN love Lord of the Rings or do I?

It's a damn shame that even Harry Potter can show evil villains throughout their films, villains that look like they're friends of Satan. Yet, we get a Green Goblin who looks like a Power Ranger villain and a Doctor Octopus who wants to do a good thing by the end of the movie.

I don't know what's it going to take, a new director, finding the right writer, waiting until Disney take the franchise over after Spider-Man 6 and giving Spidey back to Marvel--with a whole new cast and creative team. I don't know what the hell it's going to take, but I don't have much time, I won't be on this good Earth much longer...so hurry the hell up.

 

[Venom 1988]

I agree, it shouldn't be like Batman, but should be taken a lot more seriously like Vis said.

 

[Spidey17]

The movie needs to be taken more seriously. I hate the whole tone of the Daily Bugle/JJJ, it's a circus of nothing but comedy-relief. How are you going to take the villains seriously, when a bunch of goofy clowns are naming them? Peter Parker/Spidey should be the only ones spewing the witty banter, not JJJ. JJJ should be a blood serious and angry character, but Simmons, like so many of the actors in Spider-Man, his talents are wasted because the script caters mostly to little kids. I really think Spider-Man himself should have been written like Tony Stark of the Iron Man movies, I like his various tone of humor.

I want the films setup in a tone where you can easily do a storyline like "Kraven's Last Hunt" or a really good action thriller with a character like Carnage or The Lizard. The way these films are setup, people laugh at you when you mention doing a story with a serial killer, or a guy who commits suicide in a Spider-Man movie. These are not elements that I made up, because I want Spider-Man films to be cool, dark and more adult-oriented, these are elements from the comics that can never be used, because Sony and Marvel see Spider-Man as their Hannah Montana.

"We must not upset the parents or write something that kids don't understand"--therefore everything gets watered-down.

I say that you can capture every element of Spider-Man's comics, even if the movies geared towards older teens/adults. I also believe you can make great Spider-Man films with non-A-List villains (SHOCKER comes to mind), if the tone was geared towards the 'Lord of the Rings' and 'The Bourne' movie audience. Which both of their latest films were PG-13 like Spider-Man, but you sure as hell wouldn't know that by watching them. And I don't have to tell you how many CHILDREN love Lord of the Rings or do I?

It's a damn shame that even Harry Potter can show evil villains throughout their films, villains that look like they're friends of Satan. Yet, we get a Green Goblin who looks like a Power Ranger villain and a Doctor Octopus who wants to do a good thing by the end of the movie.

I don't know what's it going to take, a new director, finding the right writer, waiting until Disney take the franchise over after Spider-Man 6 and giving Spidey back to Marvel--with a whole new cast and creative team. I don't know what the hell it's going to take, but I don't have much time, I won't be on this good Earth much longer...so hurry the hell up.

I would **** in my pants if Jackson agreed to make Spider-Man 5.

But comics-wise, the tone I would like to see would be similar to the comic where Parker beats Kingpin's lard ass all over the prison, thru the whole comic he is interrogating various thugs, and wears the black suit. But I think he strips when he fights Kingpin, iirc.

 

[bullets]

They shouldn't alter the tone of the film all the sudden. I liked how they handled SM& SM2 but they really dropped the ball with SM3 by adding humour to parts that should of been serious.

 

[Silverstein]

The movie needs to be taken more seriously. I hate the whole tone of the Daily Bugle/JJJ, it's a circus of nothing but comedy-relief. How are you going to take the villains seriously, when a bunch of goofy clowns are naming them? Peter Parker/Spidey should be the only ones spewing the witty banter, not JJJ. JJJ should be a blood serious and angry character, but Simmons, like so many of the actors in Spider-Man, his talents are wasted because the script caters mostly to little kids. I really think Spider-Man himself should have been written like Tony Stark of the Iron Man movies, I like his various tone of humor.

I want the films setup in a tone where you can easily do a storyline like "Kraven's Last Hunt" or a really good action thriller with a character like Carnage or The Lizard. The way these films are setup, people laugh at you when you mention doing a story with a serial killer, or a guy who commits suicide in a Spider-Man movie. These are not elements that I made up, because I want Spider-Man films to be cool, dark and more adult-oriented, these are elements from the comics that can never be used, because Sony and Marvel see Spider-Man as their Hannah Montana.

"We must not upset the parents or write something that kids don't understand"--therefore everything gets watered-down.

I say that you can capture every element of Spider-Man's comics, even if the movies geared towards older teens/adults. I also believe you can make great Spider-Man films with non-A-List villains (SHOCKER comes to mind), if the tone was geared towards the 'Lord of the Rings' and 'The Bourne' movie audience. Which both of their latest films were PG-13 like Spider-Man, but you sure as hell wouldn't know that by watching them. And I don't have to tell you how many CHILDREN love Lord of the Rings or do I?

It's a damn shame that even Harry Potter can show evil villains throughout their films, villains that look like they're friends of Satan. Yet, we get a Green Goblin who looks like a Power Ranger villain and a Doctor Octopus who wants to do a good thing by the end of the movie.

I don't know what's it going to take, a new director, finding the right writer, waiting until Disney take the franchise over after Spider-Man 6 and giving Spidey back to Marvel--with a whole new cast and creative team. I don't know what the hell it's going to take, but I don't have much time, I won't be on this good Earth much longer...so hurry the hell up.

Agreed. Getting more serious and following the comics would allieviate some of the stress to the films and fix some problems. I don't think the dark knight is a movie to base all comic films on. But, I think realism does have a certain quality that allows for relatability.

A character like Electro is unrelatable because, while his powers could be done in such a way that they are a metaphor...or maybe so that the story is an allegory, it's still a guy that controls electricity. But the theme of the films was..

Spider-Man 1: Green Goblin, a "super soldier" enhanced with technology
Spider-Man 2: Doctor Octopus, a scientist with technology

These films were both praised and entertaining for a lot of people.

Spider-Man 3: Venom, a character who is portrayed as an alien (even though there is no real explanation of the symbiote or the ramifications that life from another planet could even exist, and how both Connors and Parker play it off as if it's strange...but still plausible or "normal to the world they live in") Sandman, a character who is made of seemingly infinite grains of sand.

This film was not as widely praised and more mocked.

So the variable is in keeping characters that use technology or have powers that aren't too unrealistic. (At least not so much to the point where it's hurtful to even watch)

I think some viable options may be:

-Lizard
-Kraven
-Hobgoblin (it's a perfect set up for SM5. GG and NG are dead. So when Pete sees hobgoblin flying around, he'd be like Harry!? Or think that Norman is still alive, but no, it'd be someone else entirely.)
-Rhino (Flowers for Rhino would be the quintessential story to base SM4 on)
-Shocker (I wouldn't mind if they mixed Shocker and Electro)
-Black Cat
-Kingpin


Any mix of these guys would work, too, I think.

 

[Oscorp]

I don't think the failure of Spider-Man 3 has anything to do with the villains being too unrealistic. Spider-Man himself is very unrealistic and even though they don't show off much "superpowers" for Green Goblin and Dr. Octopus, they still feel very superfictional. Thing is, they should make unrealistic things feel possible in Spider-Man's world and not in our world. That means, they shouldn't try to make unrealistic things feel realistic to us, because they'll always fail on that since the world of Spider-Man IS extreme fantasy. So, only sticking to people with more realistic powers or technology is not a good idea to me. Why focusing on that? If they have a great story in which Electro would fit, why not use Electro then? I don't watch a movie to feel related to the characters or the world they live in. I watch movies to feel the thrill of a great story and great visuals.

The reason Spider-Man 3 received bad reputation is simply because it is a bad and flawed movie with too many plots and plotholes. Also, the acting was mediocre from many sides and it didn't have the feel of the previous, much better movies.

Among the more realistic villains you pointed out, I'd like to add:

Mysterio
Vulture
Chameleon
Scorpion

 

[DACrowe]

I think too many think that "serious"=good. I think that Parker should never be the butt of a joke as in an entire sequence (like the dancing stuff which was funny, but made him look like too much of a jackass). There needs to be empathy and humor can be added to the action scenes. Though no motormouth rapid fire jokiness like fans want because works on the page and in a cartoon. But a few more witty and scathing zingers per scene could work very well if placed and paced right.

I just think the tone needs to be fresh. Def. not fast paced thriller as Peter is more interesting out of the costume than in. But just a little more fun and not so melodramatic as SM3 was, but with more of its feet grounded on solid footing. And really that is the biggest suggestion. Be new, drop the formula of the last three movies. Have Peter and MJ happily interact. There can be conflict or drama in their lives without them constantly fighting or pining for each other.

Also, why do people want a "blood red serious" JJJ? I mean if he plays a bigger role in the plot he'd have to be, but I understand why he would get more sidelined than other supporting players like Harry, Aunt May or MJ in these movies. But JJJ has always been a punchline to Stan Lee, he never wrote the guy as anything but a caricature. Sure, we have had writers since add depth, but the Bugle cast are easier to keep in the movie but to trivialize than the personal cast and there has to a give and take in a 2 hour runtime.

 

[DACrowe]

P.S. Too many people say SM3 is a factually bad movie (flawed, I'd agree with, but I digress) and then say go back to the tone of the previous movies. SM3 was too overcooked with too much **** and ideas going on, but it was quite tonally similar to the first two and had for the most part a very similar formula.

 

[GoldGoblin]

-Aunt May:She is good in a scene when she has a limited amount of it,but in SM3 she seemed to drag on and on.

-JJJ:Needs more scenes,we need to see more of him,but not just for funny scenes,but for some serious scenes as well.

-MJ:Needs less screen time,cause the more we see her,the more it makes the audience question why Pete is even with her.

-Flashbacks-Don't show them just to connect the villains to Pete,instead use them for example:Pete looks at a picture frame and sees him and Uncle Ben fishing,flashback could show a little preview of that day.It shows hows Pete misses him,and why he does.

-Electro with gauntlets similair to Shocker's would be a better way than having him have electricity powers,it would be less cheesy.

-Peter,show him enjoying life more.

-Bruce Campbell:Keep doing the same,it works.

 

[[A]]

Make it like SM2: meaning, teh awes0me. And please, no redeemable villain.

 

[DACrowe]

Again, I love comments like "We need less MJ, because it makes the auedience question his reason for being with her," to paraphrase. Not, "let's write her better and have a meaningful, mature engaging relationship between them," but just make her window dressing. And again with saying "Aunt May was in SM3 too much," even though she was barely in it and had a much huger role in fan favorite SM2.

Silly.

 

[david icke]

I think too many think that "serious"=good. I think that Parker should never be the butt of a joke as in an entire sequence (like the dancing stuff which was funny, but made him look like too much of a jackass).

Thank god, someone else who thought that sequence was funny, but I didn't mind it making him look like a jackass, that's exactly what it was supposed to make him look like, given the black suit an all.

There needs to be empathy and humor can be added to the action scenes. Though no motormouth rapid fire jokiness like fans want because works on the page and in a cartoon. But a few more witty and scathing zingers per scene could work very well if placed and paced right.

Yeah, exactly.

I just think the tone needs to be fresh. Def. not fast paced thriller as Peter is more interesting out of the costume than in.

I know what you mean, but a little more 'in costume' Spidey characterisation would be good. Not just action scenes but him questioning people, crooks, the D.A., cops. Bring in Jean De Wolff, someone like that.

Also, why do people want a "blood red serious" JJJ? I mean if he plays a bigger role in the plot he'd have to be, but I understand why he would get more sidelined than other supporting players like Harry, Aunt May or MJ in these movies. But JJJ has always been a punchline to Stan Lee, he never wrote the guy as anything but a caricature. Sure, we have had writers since add depth, but the Bugle cast are easier to keep in the movie but to trivialize than the personal cast and there has to a give and take in a 2 hour runtime.

Sure, but he's just such a good actor. It would be nice just to see him have a serious argument with Peter Parker or Robbie Robertson. I would've much prefered seeing Brock and Pete walk in on JJJ arguing with Robbie and co about the Bugle's failing readership, maybe having Robbie blaming JJJ's Spider-man crusade for failing sales. You could still have some humour in there. Better that than that scene with the 'Now , Wow , Pow!' slogans.

edit: Don't always have to stick with what Stan Lee did with the characters, he did do some serious stuff with JJJ, there was that one issue where you 'find out why JJ hates spider-man!' and he has a self reflective moment wondering if he was jealous of SM.
Offtopic somewhat, but had to say, two of my fav Spidey issues are JJJ solo stories, the one where the Chameleon has him kidnapped in his own home and he tries to escape, and 'I cover the waterfront.'

 

[bulletbillx]

I agree, it shouldn't be like Batman, but should be taken a lot more seriously like Vis said.

I agree with this, and I think the comic relief/moments should come from spider-man wisecracking rather than JJJ all the time. Treat it like the comics where he is constantly talking as a defense mechanism because it distracts him from the overwhelming danger as well as throwing his opponent off-balance.

They better not make him like the batman though. I think spider-man should just have a movie that exceeds all the others, and treats the material with respect.

 

[GoldGoblin]

The one cool thing about having the villain being Chameleon is that we can see all of these characters bring something new to their roles,like seeing Peter vs JJJ,Peter vs MJ,even though it would really be Peter vs Chameleon...

 

[david icke]

-Flashbacks-Don't show them just to connect the villains to Pete,instead use them for example:Pete looks at a picture frame and sees him and Uncle Ben fishing,flashback could show a little preview of that day.It shows hows Pete misses him,and why he does.

That is not a bad idea, I recall they did that in the 90s cartoon series. As long as they use it relevantly in regards to what it happening dramatically, and not just to sandwich in a Ben appearance. IIrc the message in the cartoon was 'Did you think it was gonna be easy boy?'
The only thing is that Cliff Robertson is getting on a bit. They'd have to do that kind of scene with two different, younger, actors.

-Electro with gauntlets similair to Shocker's would be a better way than having him have electricity powers,it would be less cheesy.

I read on the boards somewhere that some people think Sandman was too out there as a villan for the movies. But I disagree with this for this particular franchise. Have the supervillans as superpowered as they are in the comics, look at all of Spidey's powers, they should just go for broke with their powers. We're buying into the whole superpowered thing when we buy our tickets for this kind of movie.

-Peter,show him enjoying life more.

Maybe, but being Spider-man should still be making his personal life difficult though, this was always a good thread in the comics. Things get on top of him, but he ultimately deals with it all.

 

[thejon93]

You know what? I just want a 'Spider-Man' film that satisfies my love for the character. If this is the last one: so be it. If it's not: so be it. I'm just hoping that we can end this franchise on a high-note, not some "villain of the week" bull.

Everyone's talking about how much they want to see The Lizard be the main villain in this one. And, my question has always been: Why?

In my opinion, we should have Dr. Connors play a major character role and give The Lizard a minor villain role. While I could envision them doing many things with The Lizard, I'm just hoping to see his all-out villainous side.

I guess you could call me afraid of the fact that I envision 'Sony'/Sam, or whoever, dicking around with The Lizard's persona too much. Too much to the point where he virtually becomes a Doc Ock clone. Man, I don't want to see that ----. I want to see The Lizard be a real threat. I want to see him put some major characters in some major sequences of peril, to the point where he's not just negotiating with Spider-Man while he holds his "damsel in distress of the week" over a super-high skyscraper. No. I want to see The Lizard just go crazy.

Honestly, that's the only way I see them pulling off a good Kraven/Lizard combo. I'd be the perfect triangle. Kraven's trying to kill The Lizard. Spider-Man's trying to protect him. The Lizard's trying to kill Spider-Man. And, you can literally flip-flop a few of those concepts back-to-back to further more show how the rivalry could work out.

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

P.S. Too many people say SM3 is a factually bad movie (flawed, I'd agree with, but I digress) and then say go back to the tone of the previous movies. SM3 was too overcooked with too much **** and ideas going on, but it was quite tonally similar to the first two and had for the most part a very similar formula.

 

[The Slang]

I think the tone should be something like CSI and the other cop shows. Scenes showing events/investigations that bring the investigators closer to their conclusion. I loved the feel of the 90's cartoon aswell as the music. I remember this specific, eery kind of trumpet as spider-man would crawl into his messy bedroom window at night and use his computer or chemistry set-up to deduce something helpful. I'd like to hear the characters internal monologue from time to time aswell. Similar to the spirit and sin city movies. But no narration. Narration unlike an inner monologue, implies that the character is recapping the story and has already experienced the events which wouldnt be a good idea (unless the character actually IS recapping past events).

Kevin Smith tends to write continuous fast talk and quips for his characters. If you cut the curse words, you kind of get how I imagine spider-mans humour should be. a Distinctly NEW YORK wit, and accent is a must.
I kind of saw spider-man as someone who didn't really belong in the crimefighting scene, but nonetheless got results thanks to his super-human gifts and keen intellect. He's too light hearted and naive to get along with stern authority figures, and comes off as a bit of an amateur. He's a walking gimmick and shameless self promoter, the bright costume SHOULD look a little corny and unprofessional but his reputation earns respect/fear/extreme annoyance. Most people should find him extremely annoying.

Spider-man is basically a kid with no combat/law enforment training who happens to be an aspiring scientist and genius. As spider-man, he's stepping into a gritty underworld of crime that he has never been part of. there should be that fear/excitement vibe of the inexperienced. He succeeds thanks to proper utilization of miraculous spider-powers... which he got by accident. Needless to say this gives him a big head, until he finds himself thrown through a wall by other super-powered people.

Spiders perform a valuable service to the ecosystem, yet they're generally disliked by people for they're outward appearance. Alot of people would be grossed out by the idea of a guy sticking to walls. I recall a girl friend of mine saying that she preferred super-man to spider-man because crawling on walls was 'Eww'.

 

[Reikowolf]

I think the tone should be something like CSI and the other cop shows. Scenes showing events/investigations that bring the investigators closer to their conclusion. I loved the feel of the 90's cartoon aswell as the music. I remember this specific, eery kind of trumpet as spider-man would crawl into his messy bedroom window at night and use his computer or chemistry set-up to deduce something helpful. I'd like to hear the characters internal monologue from time to time aswell. Similar to the spirit and sin city movies. But no narration. Narration unlike an inner monologue, implies that the character is recapping the story and has already experienced the events which wouldnt be a good idea (unless the character actually IS recapping past events).

Kevin Smith tends to write continuous fast talk and quips for his characters. If you cut the curse words, you kind of get how I imagine spider-mans humour should be. a Distinctly NEW YORK wit, and accent is a must.
I kind of saw spider-man as someone who didn't really belong in the crimefighting scene, but nonetheless got results thanks to his super-human gifts and keen intellect. He's too light hearted and naive to get along with stern authority figures, and comes off as a bit of an amateur. He's a walking gimmick and shameless self promoter, the bright costume SHOULD look a little corny and unprofessional but his reputation earns respect/fear/extreme annoyance. Most people should find him extremely annoying.

Spider-man is basically a kid with no combat/law enforment training who happens to be an aspiring scientist and genius. As spider-man, he's stepping into a gritty underworld of crime that he has never been part of. there should be that fear/excitement vibe of the inexperienced. He succeeds thanks to proper utilization of miraculous spider-powers... which he got by accident. Needless to say this gives him a big head, until he finds himself thrown through a wall by other super-powered people.

Spiders perform a valuable service to the ecosystem, yet they're generally disliked by people for they're outward appearance. Alot of people would be grossed out by the idea of a guy sticking to walls. I recall a girl friend of mine saying that she preferred super-man to spider-man because crawling on walls was 'Eww'.

i like where you are going with this.

actually see ny's underworld and spider-man coming to the realization that it's not just about stopping the crime.

even more so, it would be cool to see an usm moment, where even as spidey wins, the realization is that he can't stop the underworld by himself.

*referencing the marvel knights arc in usm*

 

[DACrowe]

just to point out much of the comics is villain of the week. Just saying. The villain was always backseat to the personal life of Peter Parker

 

[Silverstein]

Peter does have to deal with a lot. But Stan's Lee main goal was just to make a teen hero, we don't have to make him emo, we don't have to over burden him with stupid crap just for the sake of making his life harder.

I always hated how so many people think the spider-man story is about him having a hard life. ALL superheroes have a hard life, so making Peter a perpetual underdog is boring and lame.

Sure there's sad or frustrating things that happen, but Pete is supposed to always be trying to do whatever it takes to BE happy and juggle it all.

His life is supposed to be difficult not absurdly agonizing.

That being said, I think there should definitely be more scenes of him enjoying himself. The whole point of Pete telling jokes while fighting is he's trying to cope with being afraid or nervous.

For Peter as a character, I think we should finally see him win for once.

SM1- GG defeats himself, SM2- Doc Ock defeats himself, SM3- Spider-man lets Sandman get away after commiting all kinds of crimes and killing his uncle. Forgiving him doesn't mean letting him fly away to go kill other people or rob more banks..Also his sick daughter's story is never resolved, but I digress...

Venom is the only character that Spider-man ever defeats in the films.

So long story short and to summarize: Spider-man needs to beat more bad guys and win. Peter needs to have some good things happen to him and win in that way.