Transformers Transformers = Panacea for the 80's Cartoon Revival

[cosmicherosa]

CFlash and I were geeking out for a few minutes earlier regarding the potential for a G.I. Joe Movie in the "International Trailer 2" thread.

Quick recap:

Well, I hope you don't get upset if the G.I. Joe movie comes out, and someone actually gets hit by a laser or a bullet, unlike the cartoon version.

That would be awesome! I also wanna see flashbacks to Snake-eyes getting maimed in Vietnam (Gulf War?).

I would assume they would sett the movie to the same backdrop as Transformers. Maybe even throw in a:

Random Joe: "Ya here what happen in Qatar, Snake?"
Snake-Eyes: "..."

Cross-over, baby.

But yea, G.I. Joe will be the next property that I will be most stoked about. Same level of excitement as this movie.


Edit: Don't mean to get more off topic, but.......he will be like the Bumblebee of this movie, since he had his voice box/vocal chords injured and is unable to speak.

Weird.............

LOL. "Snake Eyes: '...'" t:
Unless Larry Hama is involved in a big way- as creative consultant or even story writer- I'm not investing any time in tracking that movie.

Ok.

Hypothetical, Optimists and Negatrons.

Let's say that Transformers ends up having RAVE reviews and makes the biggest box office bank this year, $300 something million domestically, a huge success.

Could this movie be THE movie to kickstart the movie industry into eating up tons of the properties that we grew up with, and getting serious directors to make these movies?

Could this movie be the Blade, mainly the X-men of the 80's cartoon revival?

 

[nosebleed.]

I hope not...there are a lot of properties that would just be tarnished and mishandled. As bad as 80s cartoons might have seemed to some people, I hold them dearly as they bring a smile to my face when I think of them. Recreating them in a cyclone of Hollywood style hashouts would really piss me off. We'd have GI Joe, Thundercats, Voltron (all of 3 are in talks), Centurions, M.A.S.K., Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors and Bravestar equivalents of Daredevil, Ghostrider, FF and Electra. That would be horrible and would pretty much kill comic/cartoon movies in the long run.

 

[cosmicherosa]

You pretty much named EVERY single property I was thinking about. Stop stalking me.
The Jazz Loung makes grown men bond. ..... huh

One point I agree with is the fact that the source material is SO old, and not ongoing and recent like most comic books. In addition, you would have people like all of us on the boards screaming about how "my childhood is being crapped on" or "thy don't care about the source material". I think that is the motto for all of these revivals.

 

[CFlash]

Isn't Thundercats, Voltron, and G-Force/Battle of the Planets already in the works? Compared to all those guys Transformers was straight-up down-to-earth sci-fi back in the day.

Not to mention Knight Rider (yes!!!)... which I think could work as a Michael Manning type serious movie (man o man- that'd be awesome). (BTW, Miami Vice was an extraordinary, awesome movie... ruined by the worst miscasting I have ever seen).

I read some write-up about where Voltron script was headed. Not sure how I feel about it. Seemed..... weird.

P.S.
G.I.Joe don't even get me started. Unlike Transformers, I actually collected the G.I.Joe toys... like it was an obsession (both Headquarters and the U.S.S. Flagg are tucked in the closet back at my mom's... at least I hope they are). Loved the comic (tho I hated the cartoon with a passion... even at 9yro).

 

[nosebleed.]

I blew up GI Joe's faster than my parents could renew them...so they eventually stopped buying them for me. I kept telling them, "If they DIDN'T want us to blow them up then they wouldn't make a perfect hole in the back to hold the firecracker!"

 

[cosmicherosa]

I am in all seriousness when I say this, CFlash. I was a hardcore G.I. Joe kid, more so than Transformers. My biggest regret from when I was a child was not obtaining the Cobra Command Center. That spoiled jackass Scott S. from accross the street got it.

G.I. Joe is the one I am most interested in. I will be like the infamous Negatron's on this board for that movie. The amount of history from the property may cause either an orgy of all of the ideas into one movie, or a legit G.I Joe's movie a la the cartoon movie.

What I was is a movie based on the 80's property, in no way hookie of fun-loving. Little bit of humor is fine, but I want Honor and Valor and the Rights and Wrongs that the show went to lengths to teach and instruct all young viewers. I want to know my Good Guys are REAL good guys and the Bad Guys are the evil ****s.

Another issue with G.I. Joe touches upon the lkast sentence in the above paragraph. Obviously I want a similar rated movie in G.I. Joe, but the whole idea of war and terrorism is just so *****FIED in America right now towards children and young peops that I can't see this movie being affected by it.

 

[nosebleed.]

If they can make a GI Joe movie that feels and looks like Black Hawk Down then I'm all for it

but it'll never happen...they'll cast Van Damme as Duke.

 

[cosmicherosa]

I blew up GI Joe's faster than my parents could renew them...so they eventually stopped buying them for me. I kept telling them, "If they DIDN'T want us to blow them up then they wouldn't make a perfect hole in the back to hold the firecracker!"

Dude....

Dixie Cup + Random Spices and Liquids + Water + Random Good Guy G.I. Joe + Refridgerator Freezer = Dr. Mindbender's Ultimate Torture Device

I sometimes twisted some of the less popular G.I Joe's right in half.

I have problems....cuz Destro told me so.

 

[Kap]

How about Dinoriders? But maybe that was early 90's. Still, I loved those toys to death

 

[CFlash]

I am in all seriousness when I say this, CFlash. I was a hardcore G.I. Joe kid, more so than Transformers. My biggest regret from when I was a child was not obtaining the Cobra Command Center. That spoiled jackass Scott S. from accross the street got it.

G.I. Joe is the one I am most interested in. I will be like the infamous Negatron's on this board for that movie. The amount of history from the property may cause either an orgy of all of the ideas into one movie, or a legit G.I Joe's movie a la the cartoon movie.

What I was is a movie based on the 80's property, in no way hookie of fun-loving. Little bit of humor is fine, but I want Honor and Valor and the Rights and Wrongs that the show went to lengths to teach and instruct all young viewers. I want to know my Good Guys are REAL good guys and the Bad Guys are the evil ****s.

Another issue with G.I. Joe touches upon the lkast sentence in the above paragraph. Obviously I want a similar rated movie in G.I. Joe, but the whole idea of war and terrorism is just so *****FIED in America right now towards children and young peops that I can't see this movie being affected by it.

LOL. The Terrordome? Yeah, I didn't have it either. I had no room for it.

I agree with pretty much everything you say... except about the bad guys being "evil ****s." If anything, the comic book tried to portray them with complexity. So much so that they made an entire town of regular people that honestly believed in their cause an integral part of the story. But I guess that don't really fly in todays "Us Against Them" world.

Also, I personally hate the G.I.Joe 87 movie. Hate it. In the comic book Serpentor's character was awesome and believable (in a sci-fi way) and I don't think the comic book EVER touched the Cobra-la theme.

I said it before and I'll say it again. Larry Hama (is he still alive?) MUST be involved with a G.I. Joe movie IMHO. Either as creative consultant or even story writer.

 

[CFlash]

If they can make a GI Joe movie that feels and looks like Black Hawk Down then I'm all for it

but it'll never happen...they'll cast Van Damme as Duke.

Heck yeah! Actually I'm thinking a cross between Black Hawk Down and Mission Impossible.

As long as they remain true to the (admittedly fantastical) idea of G.I. Joe (home grown terrorism, international intrigue, multi-armed forces team, etc). Like..... Scarlett undercover as a spy investigating the location of Springfield or the dealings of MARS. Snake-Eyes single handedly infiltrating some compound to capture or rescue somebody. The rest of the Joes coordinating an attack on some base. Bla bla bla. t: Ooh so good.

All a secret war.... under the rader from the press.

 

[Kap]

Not to mention Knight Rider (yes!!!)... which I think could work as a Michael Manning type serious movie (man o man- that'd be awesome). (BTW, Miami Vice was an extraordinary, awesome movie... ruined by the worst miscasting I have ever seen).

Amen to that, I got a headache just by seeing Collin Farrel hunk his eybrows for 2 hours.

 

[Disclaimer]

I'm keen to see 'Voltron' and 'He-Man' but that's as far as it goes for me, I think.

I just hope the 'Voltron' film doesn't make the producers of 'Transformers 2' rethink having the Constructicons - one of the few G1 things I think would totally work for the live action films.

Oh, and it's Michael Mann... not Manning.

 

[Kap]

I'm keen to see 'Voltron' and 'He-Man' but that's as far as it goes for me, I think.

I just hope the 'Voltron' film doesn't make the producers of 'Transformers 2' rethink having the Constructicons - one of the few G1 things I think would totally work for the live action films.

Oh, and it's Michael Mann... not Manning.

Didn't Joel Silver sign up as the producer of a He-Man movie? I read that it would be something in the lines of 300. Might work

 

[CFlash]

Didn't Joel Silver sign up as the producer of a He-Man movie? I read that it would be something in the lines of 300. Might work

Hmmmmm. *strokes chin* Something like a cross of 300 with Sky Captain (Masters needs a sci-fi melding... that's the whole point!) with a lil bit of the seriousness of Conan The Barbarian 1982? Might work.

 

[Kap]

Ah, found it

Warner Bros. and producer Joel Silver are working with Mattel to turn "He-Man and the Masters of the Universe" into a live-action film, reports Variety. Justin Marks is set to write the script. Silver will produce.

He-Man was born as a Mattel action figure, and the toymaker created an animated series in hopes of selling dolls. The series became a cult favorite, but the brand was hardly helped by its first big screen incarnation, the campy 1987 flop Masters of the Universe that starred Dolph Lundgren as the title character and Frank Langella as his nemesis Skeletor.

The franchise has been reimagined by the producer and the writers and pitched to Mattel as a classic good vs. evil battle, using the kind of visual effects strategy employed in 300. A warrior is touted as the last hope of a magical land called Eternia, which is being ravaged by technology and the evil Skeletor.

Many of the characters will be informed by the mythology created in the four different cartoon series done since the 1980s.

 

[shigsy2003]

While it would be cool to see cartoons revamp for the big screen, it would be a shamed if they were ruined...ala Masters of the Universe.

I mean that film completely missed the point:

It was set on Earth
There was no Prince Adam
There was no King Randor or Queen Marlena
Orko and Cringer/Battlecat was missing
The Sorceress did nothing but stand in a forcefield and so there was no sign of Zoar
There was only two villians from the toon (not counting Skeletor): Evil Lyn and Beastman...where was Trap Jaw, Merman, Triklops, Clawful, Webstor, Kobra Khan etc etc? Although I did like Karg
He-Man wasn't the most powerful man in the universe and what was with him using a gun?

The list goes on.

 

[CFlash]

^ ^ ^
It's been a while, but I think Frank Langella was freakin awesome as Skeletor. But, yea, that was a big turd of a movie.

Anyone ever stick around till the after credits? One of the first examples I ever remember of that stupid sort of gimmick (used in X3) besides Ferris Bueller's Day Off.

 

[Nivek]

G.I. Joe would be awesome if it was based off the early comics. The cartoon, in retrosect, sucked in comparison. The only thing I really want to see in G.I. Joe is making Snake-Eyes a central character, since he was my favorite.

But if a movie is made, he will probobly just end up being a background stealth guy.

 

[Overman27pj]

You guys hit the nail on the head!!!!!!!!!!

Execs see a dollar, they grab it.

G.I. Joe would be more difficult movie to do well, unless they really kept fictiony with it...if they tried to make it too like the real military it would suck pretty bad...

But yeah, they probably will, because no matter what people would be lining up to see it...

Thundercats
G.I. Joe
Transformers
Voltron
What were a couple of other action ones (not the snorks)

If that all I can remember then thats probably all that really profitable, but I would bet that all of them get filmed at some point in time...

Good thread.

 

[CFlash]

You guys hit the nail on the head!!!!!!!!!!

Execs see a dollar, they grab it.

G.I. Joe would be more difficult movie to do well, unless they really kept fictiony with it...if they tried to make it too like the real military it would suck pretty bad...

But yeah, they probably will, because no matter what people would be lining up to see it...

Thundercats
G.I. Joe
Transformers
Voltron
What were a couple of other action ones (not the snorks)

If that all I can remember then thats probably all that really profitable, but I would bet that all of them get filmed at some point in time...

Good thread.

LOL. Snorks. he he.

Anyway, those you mention are the ones biggest on my mind too! There were others but I don't think they ever caught on. Insectaurs, Silverhawks, Centurians, and MASK are some others I liked but were kinda short-lived I think.

Insectaurs (Sectaurs?) had particularly cool toys... VERY cool if I remember correctly. I never had one, but saw kids with them and I thought they'd be the next big thing. That didn't happen apparently.

My favorite toon in the years before Transformers was Battle of the Planets (G-Force).

 

[Kap]

D I N O R I D E R S

 

[CFlash]

D I N O R I D E R S

Man, I don't remember Dinoriders at all.

(not directed at you Kap) See, this reminds me of what I dislike about folks that diss the Transformers G1 cartoon. At the time there was sooooooooo much stuff-- some good, some ok, some bad-- but Transformers (not just the toys but the cartoon itself) towered over all of them and inspired so much more.

I guess its success is due to it being one of the first of the "tie-in" toons. But, if that's so, why isn't everyone talking deeply (or otherwise) about Donkey Kong the cartoon???

 

[ShadowBoxing]

They've talked about a Voltron Movie slated for 2009, but I've heard nothing else, so there that's. There was G.I.Joe talked about here and there, but beyond an atrocious script review I've read (which I hope was abandoned), nothing has been done. Thundercats is getting a new cartoon, it's probably the worst reimagining I've ever heard of. He-Man will be getting a new film.

 

[CFlash]

Don't remember where I read it about it (some interview with the screenwriters?) but the Voltron script placed them in post-Apocalyptic Earth- like MadMax or something. Some of it sounded intriguing... but I got the feeling it would end up being budgeted and directed like that Dungeons and Dragons movie from a few years ago... or Eragon. Something sorta disposable.

One cool thing is that it kinda referenced both Voltron teams (Lion and the vehicle one... with the latter team I think being in the movie but not the robot as of yet). Pretty cool in my book.