Transformers trailer thread (Drak approved)

[dark_b]

I like Bay movies....They are fun popcorn action movies. That's what I want in the summer. And really...the only movies I don't like of his is Pearl Harbor...and most of that wasn't his fault. the guy wanted to quit many times during the movie. That movie had a lot of behind the scenes problems.

As for this movie...I liked it alot. Only thing I don't like are the designs for the robots. I'm not a traditionalist fan of the cartoon....BUT...the designs in the movie look too bulky...and make all of the robots look a bunch of moving crunched metal. There was no way of making them more...sleeker?

thats what i am alwys saying. and thats why i am very angry at spielberg. WOTW was IMO not promoted like a story movie with a high budget. why even make a big budget movie about a family ? with transformers i will get what i didnt in WOTW. i will get a aliens fighting on earth. did i already saw that? yes i have. but its not like this will be the worst 2 hours in my life.

SR was realesed as a summer action movie. hell no. it was a disaster. it should have been realesed in wintter. it is not an action movie. it is a 200 budget movie about superman. it is like WOTW but in WOTW the little CGI we got was amazing CGI. if singer wants so hard to make those character driven movies about superheroes than he should make tv-movies. like band of brothers from spielberg or takken. those were movies that were realesed on tv only and they had major CGI. so singer can make 4 superman movies and doesnt need to have a lot of action since he doenst like that. and everyone will be happy. but dont realese a 200 milion movie in summer without action.

ohh well. i will buy popcorn in the summer 2007 to watch a popcorn movie. thank you mr bay.

 

[ultimatefan]

I like Bay movies....They are fun popcorn action movies. That's what I want in the summer. And really...the only movies I don't like of his is Pearl Harbor...and most of that wasn't his fault. the guy wanted to quit many times during the movie. That movie had a lot of behind the scenes problems.

As for this movie...I liked it alot. Only thing I don't like are the designs for the robots. I'm not a traditionalist fan of the cartoon....BUT...the designs in the movie look too bulky...and make all of the robots look a bunch of moving crunched metal. There was no way of making them more...sleeker?

To each their own. I enjoy the action more if I care and relate to the characters. I wanna root for them. I couldn´t care less if two pieces of cardboard fight each other to death.

 

[cryptic name]

Rather than getting circular i just don't believe that

and you never will with filmmakers like bay who don't take chances and would rather give is the same thing over and over again.

 

[Hunter Rider]

and you never will with filmmakers like bay who don't take chances and would rather give is the same thing over and over again.

I have my view and you yours,it's all good,im really hyped for this movie and love the changes,you don't,it's all good,have a Happy Christmas

 

[cryptic name]

I have my view and you yours,it's all good,im really hyped for this movie and love the changes,you don't,it's all good,have a Happy Christmas

i'm looking forward to the movie and will obviously see it, just, as you said, have a different view. merry christmas to you too, Hunter.

 

[Addendum]

I'd rather have the movie focus on the transformers more than the squishies

 

[cryptic name]

I'd rather have the movie focus on the transformers more than the squishies

word.

 

[DACrowe]

Ed Harris had very shallow depth in The Rock. He ws your stereotypical villain who does something out of pride and what he thinks is right but decides the....juice isn't worthe squeeze and his own men then overthrow and kill him.

Okay, sure I suppose Magneto could be classified like that but I think Magneto's struggles with the Holocaust, moving on and his scenes about being an immigrant in America and the hypocracy in his teachings (which Wolverine calls him on) are far more interesting and deeper. And Wolverine/Rogue is probably the most depth I've ever seen in a superhero movie between two realistic characters anyway.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Ed Harris had very shallow depth in The Rock. He ws your stereotypical villain who does something out of pride and what he thinks is right but decides the....juice isn't worthe squeeze and his own men then overthrow and kill him.

Okay, sure I suppose Magneto could be classified like that but I think Magneto's struggles with the Holocaust, moving on and his scenes about being an immigrant in America and the hypocracy in his teachings (which Wolverine calls him on) are far more interesting and deeper. And Wolverine/Rogue is probably the most depth I've ever seen in a superhero movie between two realistic characters anyway.

Totally disagree on Harris,he put a lot into that role and made me care about this conflicted man who in the end realised his bluff wasn't gonna work

I found Wolverine/Rogue mostly emo but Magneto/Charles had soime interesting counter points

 

[DACrowe]

BTW seeing someone argue things like "War of the Worlds was about a family! I want to see aliens fighting....Superman Returns was a disaster! It was a 200 million dollar movie about Superman!"

damn Speilberg and Singer trying to make their movies (even their flawed missteps) about character and their trials and tribulations, instead of a movie about big explosions and giant robot/alien fights.

Don't worry if Armageddon, Pearl Harbor, Bad Boys II, The Island, etc. have taught us anything, Michael Bay will never let characters or honest emotion get in the way of his 'splosions. No thinking required.

 

[Hunter Rider]

BTW seeing someone argue things like "War of the Worlds was about a family! I want to see aliens fighting....Superman Returns was a disaster! It was a 200 million dollar movie about Superman!"

.

Errrrrr this wasn't actually aimed at me was it ? because if so i'd suggest you get your facts straight

 

[DACrowe]

No, another poster wrote that.

Sorry for the miscommunication.

 

[dark_b]

BTW seeing someone argue things like "War of the Worlds was about a family! I want to see aliens fighting....Superman Returns was a disaster! It was a 200 million dollar movie about Superman!"

damn Speilberg and Singer trying to make their movies (even their flawed missteps) about character and their trials and tribulations, instead of a movie about big explosions and giant robot/alien fights.

Don't worry if Armageddon, Pearl Harbor, Bad Boys II, The Island, etc. have taught us anything, Michael Bay will never let characters or honest emotion get in the way of his 'splosions. No thinking required.

ok let me explain what i meant. dont promote a movie that it is an action movie if it isnt.
second i like that supermans movies are character driven. but at teh end of the day it is still a 200 milion movie in summer. so please show me some action . SR had a lot of story. thank you singer for that. but please have more action in the sequel or not more but bigger action. and dont delete a 10 milion scene.

 

[DACrowe]

Well that is fair and more understandable, but I would classify WOTW as a movie quite heavy on action and call Superman Returns an action movie. I don't think either ere great movies and probably low points for both directors, though I enjoyed them. But Superman Returns, whiel it did not have a super-powered villain, felt like it had a large amount of action. I never got that complaint much (other than it did get a little boring to see him "catching things" a lot).

But I dunno, Bay movies are always so artifical and hollow. Compare Bad Boys to Michael Mann's Miami Vice for example.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Well that is fair and more understandable, but I would classify WOTW as a movie quite heavy on action and call Superman Returns an action movie. I don't think either ere great movies and probably low points for both directors, though I enjoyed them. But Superman Returns, whiel it did not have a super-powered villain, felt like it had a large amount of action. I never got that complaint much (other than it did get a little boring to see him "catching things" a lot).

I really don't class Spielberg and Singer together,Spielberg crafts masterful action sequences,has a sense of fun and also wears his heart on his sleeve,where as Singer is so subtle and achey it can be like pulling teeth and he has a couple of killer sequences to his credit but honestly i often feel he has little interest in that element of movie making

But I dunno, Bay movies are always so artifical and hollow. Compare Bad Boys to Michael Mann's Miami Vice for example.

I won't argue the hollow point again as you know where i stand but i loved Miami Vice and The 2 Bad Boys movies and both miss an element that each could offer the other

 

[DACrowe]

Oh I don't think Singer's in the same league or sport as Speilberg but we were talking WOTW and SR so I was using them, albeit I rank them both above Michael Bay though.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Oh I don't think Singer's in the same league or sport as Speilberg but we were talking WOTW and SR so I was using them, albeit I rank them both above Michael Bay though.

I rank Spielberg over everyone,Bay and Singer offer different things but in truth i prefer Bay's movies,Singer just doesn't connect with me much although i liked SR and X2 and thought Usual Suspects was good the first time

Which did you prefer the Mansion sequence from X2 or the Plane one from SR ?

 

[KenK]

I rank Spielberg over everyone,Bay and Singer offer different things but in truth i prefer Bay's movies,Singer just doesn't connect with me much although i liked SR and X2 and thought Usual Suspects was good the first time

With the exception of Apt Pupil and the rarely seen Public Access, that's Singer's entire filmograpy.

Which did you prefer the Mansion sequence from X2 or the Plane one from SR ?

I know for me, I very much prefer the Mansion scene in X2. For all the technical savy of the plane scene in SR, one: it's used as an opportunity to rehash a moment from the original Donner film, two: it's pretty impractical, as there is a lot of focus on Lois getting tossed around like a ragdoll, and not sustaining ANY injury, not even a bruise on the forehead, three: as I said, it's all technical savy. It's not a moment to showcase Routh's command of the charater.

In the case of the mansion scene in X2, most of it relies on the actors actually on film. Especially Jackman, who really clinched Wolverine in that moment, and it's all him.

 

[FaT_tONle]

the trailer was a joke... i'm sorry

 

[Grim Goblin]

Why is the movie called Transformers when the title should clearly be: How Sparky grew a pair?

 

[dark_b]

I really don't class Spielberg and Singer together,Spielberg crafts masterful action sequences,has a sense of fun and also wears his heart on his sleeve,where as Singer is so subtle and achey it can be like pulling teeth and he has a couple of killer sequences to his credit but honestly i often feel he has little interest in that element of movie making



I won't argue the hollow point again as you know where i stand but i loved Miami Vice and The 2 Bad Boys movies and both miss an element that each could offer the other

i also think that he doesnt have interest in making action. thats why he should make tv-movies like takken and band of brothers. there he can use those super hero characters and make some CGI stuff. but he can focun 90% on the characters. everyone would like it. but please dont use 200 milions to show me 90% of story and 10 % of action.

people dont understand me so let me explain this again. for me action is not seeing a flying mustang from kittys point of vies. putting down a green mustang is also not action for me. floating in space is also not action ofr me. those are all epic scenes but not action scenes. and i think that you dont need 200 milions for that kind of scenes.

the plane sequence is 100% action. it is to show superman saving a lot of people. and he does what he can do the best. he flys. thats on the superman level. slow lifting the entire NK is not action for me. or falling down on earth. epic but no action.

for example. lets watch teh scene in matrix revolution where smith and neo fall on the street and teh scene where superman falls on earth. both fall very fast. in one scene you see a mega cool scene and in the other movie everything is peacefully. some people like it some dont. opinions. but the whole superman movie was so simple and peacfully. and lets not forget that he is the strongest and fastest hero.
spielberg in my opinion has it all. mega cool scenes,peacfully scenes and characters.

lets say that spielberg = 90 %
and jackson = 90%
singer+ bay = 100%.
i really think that bay and singer should go on a coffe sometimes. singer would explain how the story and characters work and bay would explain him the cool action. than they could work on a movie together . it would be like son goku and vegeta fusing together t:

 

[Hunter Rider]

With the exception of Apt Pupil and the rarely seen Public Access, that's Singer's entire filmograpy.

I know i was just pointing out that while his movies don't connect with me on an emotional or visceral level i do like some them

 

[kamillon66]

I saw the trailer and it's clear what I must do...Find Michael Bay and spit in his face.

 

[Hunter Rider]

the trailer was a joke... i'm sorry

No need to be sorry,you have the right to your opinion same as the rest

 

[DACrowe]

Well I don't think just because a director isn't huge on action means he should be making ****ing tv movies. I mean for drama's sake just see The Ususal Suspects, not all movies have to be actions.

As for Singer's previous action films...I am a big fan of the first two X-Men. I think they are two of the finest superhero movies ever made and the first I think is probably the most realistic movie with superpowered beings from a comic book ever made. Though I do prefer the second one.

And that brings me to your question, I much prefer the mansion sequence in X2. While the plane sequence was breathtaking in theaters it is all CGI really outside of some cool moments of Lois flopping aroundl ike a ragdoll. Otherwise I feel it doesn't have much suspense on repeat viewing. On the other hand the mansion sequence featured Wolverine at his best (people who say X3 had better action, I'd just point out how much better this bezerker scene was than any ofh is 3 in X3) and all the characters running for their lives...soldiers shooting children, and Wolverine just being a badass....it is one of the finest action sequences ever made in a superhero movie.

Albeit, the best action sequence in the whole "X-trilogy" (I hate calling it that because I really don't consider Ratner's movie good enough to be connected to the first two) has to be Nightcrawler's attack on the White House in X2 though.