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Discussion in 'Misc. TV Series' started by tonytr1687, Jan 28, 2006.
Wheres your Lockdown review?
I sent it to Craig last weekend but the run up to Reckoning has been keeping Craig busy, so I'm not sure what's up exactly with that.
Thanks. Hope to see it soon along with your thoughts on Reckoning.
I am was about to ask the same question.
He has just posted them both....
Hey guys they're all ganging up on Triplet over at Ksite, we need to go and show her some support.
Yikes... Some people really don't like my review.
See now thats why I don't post at K-site i have an acount (Kal), but I hardly ever post.
They're attacking you and your writing, not the content.
I invited them, on your behalf to question a so called plot device. I havent seen anyone pop up.
That's why that site annoys me. Everyone has these great opinions but they cant back it up with any logic.
Well, it doesn't usually get quite this heated in my review threads...
great review dudette..
great mention of the emotional scale this thing had..
weird triple post...
Yeah great review Trip, i have to agree on Tom's performance in Reckoning, Superb.
Yep, I totally agree. He was awesome...
Nice Trip....your own thread! Lets try to beat the reckoning thread
Wow, Trip you're very own thread! Gives a whole new meaning to "It's all about me!"
J/K great review and I think everyone who doesn't get it should find a way to rewatch the episode. It's alot easier to enjoy when you don't set yourself up for disappointment. I thought it was fabulous personally, but then again I get distracted by shiny things so what do I know?
That won't happen...
Didn't you get the memo? It is ALL about me..
Apparently I'm either an ass-kisser or in on Smallville's payroll according to the posters over on the k-site forum...
I don't care however.
I loved it and I'll be honest no matter what other people think.
Although, if anyone could figure out a way I could make money from my reviews, I'd be all ears...
A triple post from Triplet...who'da thunk it?
Exactly. If people would just put aside their preconceived notions, what they expected to happen or wanted to happen and watch the ep on its own merits, I think they might reconsider their negative opinion.
Your review was great, Trip. There was no need to point out all the flaws with the writing of the ep when you didn't see them. I certainly didn't see them. Though not perfect, I thought it was a very tight script unlike the guy who was a writer who disagreed with you in your thread. He made sure to point out that he was a writer in just about every thread he commented in that I saw. So therefore his opinion must be more valid than yours or mine? He's certainly entitled to his opinion, but just because he's a writer doesn't make him right and us wrong.
I think I am in the minority over there in my thoughts on that episode, so I wasn't really surprised at all the negative comments in that thread.
That one guy was giving me a headache, so I think I won't go back again today....
it's amazing how your reviews catch more venom on a Smallville site than mine do on a site that is mostly populated by hardcore comic fans.... God I hate the K-Site forums
I'm not a big fan of Buffy-site, if only because they lay into Clark and SV in general every chance they can get, and you guys KNOW how that drives me crazy. I love the show, warts and all, and hanging around people that constantly put it and its characters down is not fun for me. That said, there were indeed plot holes and contrivances in Reckoning and an overly rushed feeling to just about every scene, which pulled me out of the fiction. The acting was spot on, but the writing and editing were far from perfect. I wouldn't give the ep a 5 out of 5. Maybe 4/5. The story itself was... okay.
I watched the ep again a few times and enjoyed it more than the initial outing. They're always better on repeat viewings. But I'm still not happy with certain aspects because I feel as though I was emotionally played just for the sake of an end result. eg: We have to end the episode with Jonathan's death, but we also have to make people believe it's going to be Lana, so how do we get from point A to point B and do it in 43 minutes?
SV has turned the idea of using its own genre clichés into an art form. Like the landing party that always has some ensign in a red shirt that dies first, Clark and Lana's relationship will always be a mind numbingly frustrating seesaw. (This is why they invented foam bricks for throwing at TV screens.)
Somebody in that thread at K-site said it would have been nice to have a few episodes with Lana knowing Clark's secret. Yeah, actually, capital idea. That WOULD have been nice. It's what made scenes between Clark and Alica so unique. He could be himself *and* be intimate at the same time. And with Lana, perhaps naysayers wouldn't have labeled it T&A for ratings. It would have been romantic and sweet - something we RARELY if ever get on SV.
No dice. Not this time. *sigh*
Then there's all the plot contrivances. Lois' "accident" is a perfect example. It's established that Lois and Lana planned to meet at the talon. "Sorry I'm late," she tells Lois. Lois drives it home when she adds that other folks can't do the bunting, or something along those lines. So Lana and Lois were meeting at the Talon regardless. Why didn't Lana show up as planned the second time? She had plenty of time, and no excuses for her absence were offered (I'm guessing the dialog was probably left on the cutting room floor with all the other scenes they hacked out due to timing constraints.) And the meeting took place sometime in the afternoon. It certainly didn't happen just before the election results were announced because Lois was still decorating. So the timing is completely out of whack - which is kinda funny since the episode did involve time travel of sorts LOL. Lois would have been electrocuted that afternoon, not at 11pm when Clark rescued her. How long would it have taken for that sink to overflow? Five minutes? Tops?
Yes, there were some pretty deep plot holes if you dissect the episode.
Clark's reasoning for not telling Lana the second time is week. Very, very week. His phobias run the gamut when it comes to Lana. Just what IS it that he's worried about? Pick one...
- She won't accept him 'cause he's an alien.
- He'll unintentionally physically hurt her because he doesn't have full control of his abilities.
- Somebody else will hurt her because they want to get to Clark through her.
In take two, he tells Chloe "there will always be somebody trying to find out about me," or something like that. What?! Why? That's a new one. He's had former FOTW's come after him, but Lana knowing or not knowing had NOTHING to do with her being in harm's way. If he's so concerned for her safety, he should have broken-up with her after the events in Mortal. Done. Good-bye. Sorry Lana. But no.... he tells her his secret anyway, and then proposes to her.
Now don't get me wrong; I absolutely LOVED the first half of the episode. Loved it!!!! Chloe tells Clark if anybody deserves to be happy, it's him. Yeah! Right on! But the second part of the ep was the epitome of a deus ex machina plot. A time crystal that can only be used once. And he's only got one of 'em. LOL! Niiiice. One pill makes you larger and one pill makes you small, so choose wisely. It's all so Matrixy - if not Alice in Wonderland with a little Indiana Jones mixed in for good measure. I don't think people had a problem with the lesson learned - clearly, it's an important part of Clark's journey - but it's how the writers chose to have it told.
I've already discussed the disappointing speed at which the ep moved. It's okay for an action movie, but this was a character driven piece if there ever was one. The whole proposal scene at the beginning was ridiculously fast. And I'm sorry, but Lana's reactions were NOT natural. She was practically stoic, and it's not because she was speechless. She doesn't look around enough when they "land" at the fortress. I'd be like, WTF? Where the hell are we? What just happened? What IS this place? Then Clark just launches into his I'm from Krypton speech, Lana has NO reaction other than to touch his face (??!) and before you know it, they're jump-flying (LOL) to the top of the fortress. Lana's taking everything in stride, asking questions like "what makes this time different" (the same question I might add she asked Lex when he showed her the spaceship), and then Clark shows off some more insane powers and proposes. Cut to credit role. GAHHHHHHHHHH!!!! Now, I'm not for dragging things out, but come on! Greg Beeman just showed up Michael Bay. LOL
Finally, from an entertainment POV, I do believe the ep suffered from an over amount of hype. I really was expecting something epic here. The death of a major character changes a lot of things, but it doesn't automatically make it a "great" episode. I know I'm in the minority on this, but it's how I feel. And you guys KNOW I will defend SV always - even this episode - but I just wasn't as thrilled with it as everybody else. After leaving my comments on the board that night, I felt I had said my peace and would just let it pass, especially since everybody else was so ga ga over it. I don't want to bring everybody else down 'cause I don't like it when it's done to me. I'm glad Zing, Hulk, Triplet, et al loved it, but I just thought it could have been better. Ah vell. I'll live. I'm looking forward to Vengeance.
PS: Triplet, I enjoyed your review.
what a tool..
even hitler wrote a book..
and i believe it had something to do with ''super'' too.. (irony)..
yep, super race..