Two-Faces's scars

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  1. StorminNorman

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    Not saying it was wrong, just that it was not definitive. I, however, did not like the ANGRY! Harvey done in BTAS. The hard working, obsessive Harvey from TLH was much more compelling to me. I believe a key to Two-Face's tragedy is that Harvey is a loveable character before his accident, the mood swings took away from that, me thinks.
     
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    And it's quite clear they're going with a Long Halloween character Harvey Dent and Two Face. But if he will look like LH Two Face is unknown. I doubt it though.
     
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    I though Harvey was very lovable in TAS.


    Maybe I'm gay.:confused:
     
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    In what way?
     
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    Well it is the Character that matters (which means no Big Bad Harv). I could care less about the actual look of Two Face, as long as Liev plays the role.
     
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    C'mon. Now you know you don't want Two Face to look exactly like Tommy Jones did in BF.
     
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    Harvey is a man. I said a man was lovable. It was a joke.
     
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    That was another problem I had with the show - in every Pre-Two Face episode he was a very lovable character. But as soon as they felt the need to introduce Two-Face, they made him a dick for an episode and then bumbed up the acid for the second one. It....was very out of character. Make Harvey Dent be the Golden Boy, the Apollo, until the very second the acid touches his skin. And then.....all hell breaks loose.
     
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    I'd show him in therapy, maybe. I'd show him as a golden boy in public, then when he steps away from the press conference of people asking him impossible questions, he goes in the bathroom and smashes the mirror.

    I don't want it to come completely out of nowhere.
     
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    Of course not, but hell - if the character was written right it would not matter.

    Arnold could of been a good Freeze, but he was poorly written and directed.
     
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    R U MAD!?!?!

    Arnold had the greatest line of all time "j00 not sendin' meh to da coolah"
     
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    I dont want to lower his likeablity though....they have a fine line to walk. I think if they show Harvey as obsessed with stopping Crime, and then paint him as a criminal vigilante, it wouldn't come out of no where. The burns would simply take away the restraints of law and order to stop Crime.
     
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    Yeah, but when was Two-Face ever a vigilante??
     
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    During the Loeb/Sale books. It would simply start Harvey Dent's introduction into Crime.
     
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    I haven't read them :(

    BTW therapy or stress usually doesnt lower likability. Quite the reverse actually.
     
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    ^That is pretty good.
     
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    Yes, but then people begin to feel sorry for Harvey and I dont want that. I want Harvey to be an idol, someone you WANT to be, making his decline into crime so much more tramatic. and also go read them...NOW!
     
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    Yeah I will as soon as finals are over.


    And depends if you want the AUDIENCE to like him or you want the PUBLIC to like him.
     
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    Both actually...
     
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    Okay, you're a Schreiber man. Have you seen The Manchurian Candidate??
     
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    Yes, and loved it. Made me want Schrieber to play the character even before Begins came out!
     
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    The character Liev played in Candidate was both a media/public darling as well as a sympathetic character. He had his problems. Stress, his mother, weird dreams, conspiracies, brainwashing. We liked him because he was 1) a nice guy, 2) had problems, 3) did some really awesome and badass s*** back in the day.

    yeah?

    yeah.

    Okay now picture this. Harvey Dent. Media Darling. Hotshot. Resembles Bruce Wayne in public. The two of them are good friends. They go to parties together, charities. They laugh, tell jokes, spill champagne on girls by accident and the girls love it because they are hot charming bachelors with money and power. We show a scene where Harvey does something completely badass, like win a John Woo-style shootout and capture some crooks. Then we see the media at the press conference drilling him about his dangerous tactics. He answers the questions with difficulty, but grace. Afterwards, he goes into the bathroom, splashes water on his face and looks in the mirror. The stress is really getting to him. He breaks the mirror or maybe something more subtle.

    This is all pre-scarring. We've got all three ingredients we had in Candidate: 1) a nice guy, 2) has problems, 3) did some really awesome and badass s***.

    That's my vision of Harvey Dent.
     
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    I have no problem with that at all, if Nolan went with it I would love it. I just don't want BB2 Harvey be like BTAS Harvey and simply become a total dick at the minimal annoyance.
     
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    Awesome. We're on the same page:up:
     

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