Ultimate DC from Wizard 136

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We all know those pictures on the web and us wondering what it would've been like to read them. But it was Wizard #136 that had the "pitches", if you will, of their Ultimate incarnation.

To whomever has that issue of Wizard Magazine, which should have the Ultimate DC in it, please post what they said about them.
 
Have you tried using the search for Ultimate JSA? I know they've been posted in threads like that areound here a bunch of times.
 
Me using the search function suck. I know there have been several but I don't know, and I doubt, that anyone has ever posted the information I want and been wanting to have in those previous threads.

If a thread has the info on the Ultimate versions, the pitches/the concepts, please post them.
 
Here's what I remeber of the concepts:

Superman: It's basically Smallville plus six years. Clark moves to Metropolic and finally puts on the suit. Clark is still dating Lana, although it's a long distance relationship and thus rather streigned. Lex has descended furthur into madness and thus is at odds with Superman, even though he still sees Clark as his friend.

Batman: Batman is, of course, the vigilante protector of Gotham. Comissioner Gordon looks rather like Morgan Freeman. The Joker, instead of being a psychotic spree slayer, is instead a highly reckless and murderous vigilante who's methods put him at odds with Batman.

Wonder Woman: Diana, princess of a race of Amazonian warriors who have hidden themselves from the rest of the world for centuries. The Amazons are now preparing for a camapign of global conquest, starting with the world super powers. To this end, they have sent Diana to the United States as a sleeper agent under the guise of ambasadore. To help gain the public's trust, she wears a costume with the colors of the American flag.

The Flash: Barry Allen is a forensic scientist for Central City. When on a crime scene at STAR labs, an accident envolving some of the chemicals there granted him superhuman speed. He then became a crime fighter, quickly earning the adoration of Central City. Soon, a mysterious Dark Flash began showing up, terrorizing him. Barry was then shocked to discover that it was a future version of his nephew, Wally, who traveled back in time.

Green Lantern: John Stewart, a former marine who is chosen by the Green lantern Corps to patrol space sector 2814. Soon, however, he discovers a terrible secret. The Gaurdians of the Universe are long dead, killed at the hands of the highest ranking GL, Sinestro. Sinestro has been running the show ever since, spreading corruption throughout the entire GLC.

JLA: J'onn Jonzz, the Martian Manhunter (who looks like a cross between Yoda and ET), becomes aware that the intergalactic tyrant, Despero, is on his way to Earth. He then calls to arms six ehroes who could stop it. Clark Kent, aka Superman, Bruce Wayne, aka Batman, Princess Diana, aka Wonder Woman, Barry Allen, aka The Flash, John Stewart, aka Green Kantern, and Dr. Reye Palmer (now a black woman), aka The Atom. Despero lands on Earth, storms the U.N., and kills most of the delegates. He then heads towards the White House, and is stopped by the League. They soon mecome media sensations and are declared the Earth's Greatest heroes. A later storyline has the team asking each other for their secret identities, and Batman refusing to devulge his. This leads to him leaving the team and later defeating the entire group one by one single handedly.

Teen Titans: Lex Luthor, wanting to capitalize on the popularity of the League, forms a team that is essentially Menudo as a super hero group. The roster is:

Robin: A circus acrobat looking for stardom. No connection to Batman whatsoever.

Power Girl: Wonder Woman's kid sister, Donna, who left Themyscera looking for adventure. She took the name Power Girl to avoid copyright issues with Wonder Woman.

Green Arrow: Roy Harper, a sharp shooting vigilante from Star City. Secretly a drug addict.

Aquaman: Orin, the 18 year old prince of Atlantis. Is sent to the surface as a right of passage for claiming the throne.

Cyborg: Injured in a carr accident, repaired by Lexcorp.

Raven: A mysterious psychic goth girl.

The team becomes an instant success, becoming insnaely popular. But things go wrong when Roy's drug addiction is found out, and Donna accidentally kills a man on their first mission.


Personally, I don't care for alot of these ideas.
 
I see potential in some of them but some kinda irk me (Power Girl, Green Lantern).
 
Wow. Maybe its best to use the costumes only. Some are ok while the rest is meh.

The Superman one is good because it sounds like what the producers of Smallville most likely will do when they decide to move Tom Welling from Clark Kent to Superman in a show also most likely to be called Metropolis. The suit is also cool because its like a Kryptonian battle suit which Clark would wear when he goes out as Superman.

The Batman one is ok. It sounds like it would basically the same thing that we've been reading. While Gordon being black would be just like Nick Fury in the Ultimate series, I truly hate what the Joker would've be like.

Wonder Woman is bad. Like horrible bad. Its not what the character is at all. Even in an Ultimate version, the characters still have to be just like their original counterparts. While I like the costume since its a Greek battle armor and what she would wear when she is called for battle her villians, her being a sleeper agent is bad and wrong for what she is. It sounds like they wanted to make her be like the JL/JLU Hawkgirl. Which would explain the costume. So this version is a: NO NO, NO, NO, NO!

The Flash sounds interesting. Brings back the original of Barry Allen and the question of his nephew's fate in the future as he is the Flash as well. So that's interesting.

Green Lantern is 50/50. While its interesting to have Sinestro already in power, I don't like the Guardians being dead. It would've been fine with they were missing or something. Other than that, it sounds the same. Like Batman.

JLA: Okay, Jonn Jozz being a DC version of ET sounds like using the generic idea of Martians. I'm seeing the alien from Destroy All Humans right now with the JL. That isn't good but I don't know if its bad. Its interesting yet when I hear Martian Manhunter, I see the green human looking hero (now with the new costume, since I love that more than the original). So maybe that idea wouldn't be good. The idea of Despero coming to earth and killing people in his way is a good idea, also is The Atom being a black woman since without that then John Stewart would be the only black man. But Batman defeating them one by one in the end isn't right. That doesn't sound like him.

As finally: the Teen Titans. Another bad one. In a Ultimate DC universe, the Teen Titans shouldn't come out until later on. Robin with Batman: BAD. Our Wonder Girl/Donna Troy being a Power Girl: 50/50. She isn't like the Ultimate Wonder Woman but her leaving for adventure and called Power Girl isn't right. Green Arrow: also 50/50. While him as a drug addict makes me go back to the '70s Green Lantern/Green Arrow series, I thinking "where is Ollie?". Aquaman sounds like someone that no one would like compared to the original. Cyborg and Raven are the only ones who sound fine, who still are what they are.

Overall, while I still would like to read Wizard #136 on this Ultimate DC series, I'm glad this isn't what's coming yet disappointed that it wasn't what I thought it was. I think all of you would agree that the pitches here like Wonder Woman and JLA with Teen Titans is what WB would've made in the '90s when the DC Movies were in their dark days. Maybe I should do my own spin on them.......someday.....
 
The Wonder Woman one was just awful. It was as if it were written by radical misogynists trying to undo everything that Wonder Woman was about.

"EVIL AMAZON WOMENS and their EVIL WOMEN NATION and MEN-HATING WAYS!" It practically plays off of every reactionary fear of all comic nerds in the world.
 
I could write a vastky better Ultimate Wonder Woman than that. Way I'd set it up, she'd come to the U.S. as an ambasador, and the super hero aspect comes in because variouth Greek gods and monsters follow her to the U.S. since she's the first major believer in that mythology to be in the Americas in centuries.
 
The Question said:
I could write a vastky better Ultimate Wonder Woman than that. Way I'd set it up, she'd come to the U.S. as an ambasador, and the super hero aspect comes in because variouth Greek gods and monsters follow her to the U.S. since she's the first major believer in that mythology to be in the Americas in centuries.

vastky? j/k

I could kind of see what you're saying, and it would work.

But I'd rather her do the ambassador thing, then become the hero as she "discovers" it to be her duty as Hercules did in mythology.
 
Mistress Gluon said:
vastky? j/k

:confused:

I could kind of see what you're saying, and it would work.

Mistress Gluon said:
But I'd rather her do the ambassador thing, then become the hero as she "discovers" it to be her duty as Hercules did in mythology.

That's just the reason I give for all the major threats showing up just as she did. I prefer for the heroes running into the villains not to be major coincidences.
 
The Question said:
:confused:

I could kind of see what you're saying, and it would work.



That's just the reason I give for all the major threats showing up just as she did. I prefer for the heroes running into the villains not to be major coincidences.

OH!! I see. That makes sense. Good idea.

And "vastky" was a joke. You said it in the post I responded to. I know you meant "vastly". :woot:

Or you could have her coming to the mainland as an ambassador for her people, knowing there are several super powered entities on Earth, and requires their assistance for a future conflict coming to bear. Cheesy, yes. But in execution, could be fun.
 
I prefer the theory in which she comes to "man's world" to look for the perfect male specimen to further the Amazonian race.:o
 
Mistress Gluon said:
OH!! I see. That makes sense. Good idea.

And "vastky" was a joke. You said it in the post I responded to. I know you meant "vastly". :woot:

Or you could have her coming to the mainland as an ambassador for her people, knowing there are several super powered entities on Earth, and requires their assistance for a future conflict coming to bear. Cheesy, yes. But in execution, could be fun.

No. Way I see it, her super hero situation goes like this:


Due to centuries of selective breeding and use of specific, steroid like plants in their regular diet, Amazons are vastly stronger, faster, and tougher than normal humans. Diana was born rather sickly as a child, and the treatments to correct this overcompensated, putting her at Superman levels in terms of strength. Diana is chosen as ambasador because she is the most physically fit and one of the most inteligent. I'd go with the idea that gods and other mythological entities exist because we believed in them and not the other way around. Our collective belief in them over several centuries and worship of them willed them into existence. Of all the pantheons, the Olympians are the most powerful next to the Christian/Hebrew/Islamic mythologiesbecause they still have a very strong base of worshipers in Themyscera. Diana comes to the U.S., and various gods and monsters of Greek mythology follow, mostly the more malvolant ones who are interested in vexing Diana and the various humans of the United States. These entities, plus the Cheetah and Dr. psycho, who are simply metahumans, serve as Diana's rogues gallary.
 
The Question said:
No. Way I see it, her super hero situation goes like this:


Due to centuries of selective breeding and use of specific, steroid like plants in their regular diet, Amazons are vastly stronger, faster, and tougher than normal humans. Diana was born rather sickly as a child, and the treatments to correct this overcompensated, putting her at Superman levels in terms of strength. Diana is chosen as ambasador because she is the most physically fit and one of the most inteligent. I'd go with the idea that gods and other mythological entities exist because we believed in them and not the other way around. Our collective belief in them over several centuries and worship of them willed them into existence. Of all the pantheons, the Olympians are the most powerful next to the Christian/Hebrew/Islamic mythologiesbecause they still have a very strong base of worshipers in Themyscera. Diana comes to the U.S., and various gods and monsters of Greek mythology follow, mostly the more malvolant ones who are interested in vexing Diana and the various humans of the United States. These entities, plus the Cheetah and Dr. psycho, who are simply metahumans, serve as Diana's rogues gallary.

I always hated that, "We believe in them, so they exist" thing.

Kind of sounds Captain America'ish with the sickly going super.
 
Mistress Gluon said:
I always hated that, "We believe in them, so they exist" thing.

Why?

Mistress Gluon said:
Kind of sounds Captain America'ish with the sickly going super.

Well, it was meant to be a childhood genetic defect, and the treatments weren't for a super soldier thing.
 
The Question said:
Why?



Well, it was meant to be a childhood genetic defect, and the treatments weren't for a super soldier thing.

It plagues comics. Mainly in Marvel, but it just does. "People believe in it so much that it comes true." Just feels overdone by now. I'd like it where if even they DIDN'T believe in them, they existed. Not because humans laid it out for them, but that they DO exist, independent of humans, and do their own thing.

And I'm not saying it was a copy of Cap, just saying it reminded me of it.
 
Mistress Gluon said:
It plagues comics. Mainly in Marvel, but it just does. "People believe in it so much that it comes true." Just feels overdone by now. I'd like it where if even they DIDN'T believe in them, they existed. Not because humans laid it out for them, but that they DO exist, independent of humans, and do their own thing.

Marvel doesn't have that at all. They've established the various mythilogical entities as being completely independant from humans. DC's the one that has the "created by humans" thing, and even then it only usually comes up in the Wonder Woman comics.
 
The Question said:
Marvel doesn't have that at all. They've established the various mythilogical entities as being completely independant from humans. DC's the one that has the "created by humans" thing, and even then it only usually comes up in the Wonder Woman comics.

I meant DC, sorry. :o I'm a little tired, being in meetings all day.
 
Really, I don't think it plagues comics. It's simply DC's explanation for gods. One continuity's explanation for something is not a plague.
 
The Question said:
Really, I don't think it plagues comics. It's simply DC's explanation for gods. One continuity's explanation for something is not a plague.

Eh, feels like it to me. Whenever I think about conceptual god things, I ALWAYS think back to Earth X though. Which kind of irks me.
 
Mistress Gluon said:
Eh, feels like it to me.

It just seems like calling DC's version of Atlantis a plague.

Mistress Gluon said:
Whenever I think about conceptual god things, I ALWAYS think back to Earth X though. Which kind of irks me.

Weren;t the gods created by the Celestials in Earth X?
 
Mistress Gluon said:
I always hated that, "We believe in them, so they exist" thing.
That's actually not...exactly how the god thing works in DC. At least, not in Wonder Woman.

In Wonder Woman, it wasn't that the gods literally needed to be worshipped to exist, it's that they needed to represent something still valid. Few people actually worship Athena or Ares, but they're currently two of the most powerful gods because the things they represent are so important to the modern world. Science and rational thought and superheroes practically rule the world, so Athena as the patron of warriors, wisdom, and crafts has a lot of choices from which to draw her influence. And war and conflict is as powerful today as it ever was, if not more so, therefore Ares as the representation of war also becomes all the more powerful. Same for Aphrodite as it goes for love/sex. Whereas, no one quakes at the skies or thinks of thunder as divine power anymore, so Zeus who represents the power of the heavens gets majorly downgraded despite remaining one of the most well-known gods in the world. It's not that the gods need active worship, it's that they need to evolve along with the world or else they become stagnant and unimportant, literally losing their influence. It's been this way in WW canon pretty much since the Perez reboot, when it was said that Ares had grown insanely powerful through all the senseless conflict in the twentieth century.

Some other writers, most notably Neil Gaiman, have used the "if we believe in them, they exist" approach to gods...but even Gaiman has suggested that if the gods evolve and adapt themselves to the modern world, they won't necessarily diminish in power even if they are no longer as well-remembered. In "Season of Mists," he suggested that the Shinto pantheon had been incorporating a lot of modern sensabilities like Marilyn Monroe and King Kong into their cosmology and have therefore retained much of their power even though the world has changed.
 
I wasn't aware of that. Quite informative.
 

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