Ultimate Fantastic Four Discussion

[Zaptoitnow]

Well, this board is pretty slow, but I figure that this way we can at least keep one thread up there so we can keep the Ultimate discussion together. Hey, it worked great in the Spidey forum!

SPOILERS FOR #16

Anyways, just read UFF #16, thought it was pretty well done. I like that they did something with the skin cells that they mentioned earlier in the arc. I also liked that they are balancing out Reed's big brain with Ben's logic and reasoning. I really liked the talk last issue where Ben rationalizes that maybe the guys left at the end of chaos and destruction wouldn't be the nice fluffy guys afterall, and here Reed sees that Ben was spot on. I can't wait to see how they fix Johnny, and what effect it has on his powers, or how Reed and Ben escape there little problem. I figure that if Reed wanted to he could just stretch his chest out through the opening and form a seal over Ben and his faceplates.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

I liked Ben's reasoning as well. Definitely some good dialogue between him and Reed through out the entire N Zone arc, particularly the previous issue about the inhabitants...

 

[Ant-Man]

I liked it fairly well. The little rant Reed gave on the second visit to Nihil was sweet! (I made it my sig and all). I like the creepy feeling this arc has to it. Very alien-esque. The one thing that did bother me though was the implication that Reed would rather stay and do science, than race home to get help for Johnny. That was cold!

 

[Zaptoitnow]

I don't know, as soon as Sue says that it's his powers that are killing him, Reed seems to snap out of it and gets set on going immediately. I think it shows that Reed still feels guilty and responsible for all of this.

 

[Ant-Man]

I don't know, as soon as Sue says that it's his powers that are killing him, Reed seems to snap out of it and gets set on going immediately. I think it shows that Reed still feels guilty and responsible for all of this.

Yea, he did, guess I didn't really notice, kinda read it quickly.

 

[Caliber]

Whats up with Ult Annihilis? What is he exactly?

 

[TheS4ndman]

It's like everywhere I go there's another Vic Van Damme, another Mole Man. They're all the frickin' same. The universe is this fantastic place, full of ideas and, you know, cool stuff. And everyone else seems to think it's somewhere to setup their frickin' butt-hat franchise.

-Ultimate Reed Richards



cant imagine 616 reed saying that......

 

[Emerald Knight]

because this ISN'T the 616 universe.

 

[TheS4ndman]

thats a good awnser i think.....

 

[Emerald Knight]

Well, what about UFF don't you like? It's supposed to be different.

 

[TheS4ndman]

i like the uff but they make doom a freaking spaz thts a good a reason enough

 

[Emerald Knight]

I think that this is an intriguing take with the character of Doom. Granted, this is only one person's opinion. Yeah, I can see why some would be upset the drastic changes: the "armor," the powers, etc. I don't think that he's so much a "spaz," as he actually thinks of himself to be perfect. In his flashbacks we saw how he was raised. He was beaten to "perfection" by his father. He could never be wrong, in his mind. If anything went wrong, it was somebody else's fault, it couldn't be him: Victor was "perfect." That kind of characterization intrigues me. Technically, Van Damme (I too hope he changes his name, it'd be kinda renouncing his humanity, I think, which could be pretty cool) is part of a destroyed royal lineage, but not many know that (in the Ultimate Universe).

I think that this is FF year one: The characters, yes even Doom, are considerably younger than when Stan wrote them out. With Doom's background (in this story) it's kind of cool. He considers himself perfect. For him to be wrong, would bring pain. He can't feel the pain when he's wrong, so in his mind, he's always right. I really hope that the preceding sentence made any sense. He also knows how to draw a crowd, either with tools or without. Yes, he's not the tyrant we all know and love, but just because something hasn't happened yet, does not necessarily mean that it won't. He's still young. He'll hopefully find the tricks of the trade as a true ruler. We only saw a glimpse of things to come. Things can only (and hopefully) get better from here.

But, hey. To each their own.

 

[TheS4ndman]

yea i thought of that too but i guess i just took dooms defeat to seriously...but the fact he cannot accept that he is not perfect makes him weak

 

[Ant-Man]

because this ISN'T the 616 universe.

Some people are never going to get that. Trust me!

Personally I would be really dissapointed if the Ultimate universe characters were simply cardboard cutouts of their 616 counterparts. The Ultimate Marvel Unviverse is supposed to be different. They made it that way!

 

[Caliber]

Some people are never going to get that. Trust me!

Personally I would be really dissapointed if the Ultimate universe characters were simply cardboard cutouts of their 616 counterparts. The Ultimate Marvel Unviverse is supposed to be different. They made it that way!

Exactly but its a way to the crap out of the marvel u and make it better.

 

[Zaptoitnow]

One thing people need to realize is that Ultimate Doom also has plenty of room to grow. Now instead of being introduced to this evil genious that has his empire, we get a chance to see the development behind it. That's a strong point of the Ultimate universe if you ask me, the fact that now all the charecters that are introduced are more thought out and fleshed out than the 616 charecters usually were upon introduction.

 

[Emerald Knight]

That's how I think of this. It's FF (and Doom) Year One. We get to SEE Doom make his mark as a ruler in the making.

 

[Zaptoitnow]

Which is the real strength of the Ultimate Universe. Now writers that want to add some big developmental aspect to some charecter can so so without having to retcon it in. They just introduce the charecter with these aspects to begin with.

 

[Ratcrawler]

Hey, considering Ultimate Reed has no organs, does he need to breathe?

 

[Zaptoitnow]

I wouldnt imagine that Reed would have designed the suits the way he did if he and Ben didn't need to breath. I can't imagine him not Having tested it either. Just because he doesn't have internal organs doesn't mean his body has found a new way to absorb oxygen. But then again, who really knows.

 

[Lord Valumart]

well, i think he only designed the suits be cause it was an alien place, and there might not be oxygen, just as a safety thing.

he still doesn't know what he can/cannot do.

 

[KingOfDreams]

Issue #16 is good. In fact, it's the only Ultimate book that I've ever bought, much less liked. That just goes to show that it's almost impossible to **** up an FF book. But saying that, the main reason I bought the issue was because of Ultimate Innihilus. He looks really cool and I like his characterization. I probably won't be following the series after the next couple issue unless something equally cool comes along. The previous Ultimate FF issues didn't really grab me either, not that they were technically bad or anything.

 

[Zaptoitnow]

Waiting for #16 to hit on wednesday, interested to see how Reed and Ben work their way out of this.

Besides this, what figures from 616 FF do you want to see? I can't wait till the team finnaly goes public, and the kids are allowed some contact with the outside world. I want to see the Ultimate Yancy Street gang, lol. Would love to see Alicia, and maybe even Namor, if he could be done well.

 

[<Mr.Spider>]

the n-zone arc has to be my fav right know for the UFF ,Doom comes in second ,as mentoned above...the whole reed and ben talk was the most interesting thing in the book,,,,,it leaves you thinking but I can't wait to pik up the next issue tommorrow

 

[Zaptoitnow]

Got #17 today, great issue. It has a good scene with Ben fighting basically everyone, as well as some decent lines between him and Reed. I really like the dialogue that those two can get into, it really feels like they are friends and like Reed enjoys teaching Ben whatever he can. I also love that Ben gets to vent finally.