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  1. DACrowe

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    I finally saw X-Men: Apocalypse tonight and... I enjoyed it!

    It is very flawed in the pacing and editing, and is quite uneven as a narrative since it lacks a central focus, which is ironically the opposite of Singer's previous X-films. Usually he focuses on a few characters (namely Logan, Charles, and Erik, and maybe Mystique in DoFP's case) and everyone else is background. This time he tried to service everyone and as a result it felt a bit disjointed. It also feels like a step back for the series, which felt like it took way more risks in FC and DoFP.

    With that said, this one was still a lot of fun and had a number of moments that made me very happy as simply an X-Men fan: namely the Apocalypse prologue in ancient Egypt, the amazing Quicksilver/Annie Lennox scene, the Wolverine cameo, what Apocalypse does when he first gets into Cerebro, and [blackout]seeing Jean Grey go Phoenix on Apocalypse, as well as her and Magneto rebuilding the mansion at the end.[/blackout]

    I thought the new kids were all great with Sophie Turner as Jean Grey being the standout, but it was nice Cyclops finally got his due for the most part, though we'll hopefully see him take on a leadership role in the next X-Men movie. Michael Fassbender was terrific (and heartbreaking) as per usual, so was McAvoy, however the latter didn't really get enough to do.

    With that said, as much as I like the Cerebro scene for Apocalypse as well as his prologue, Oscar Isaac does not get nearly enough to do and feels wasted. And other than Magneto, the Four Horsemen are nameless henchmen just like the Brotherhood in X1 and Lady Deathstrike in X2. At this point, it not only feels redundant but kind of lazy. The storytelling also lacks the cohesion and tightness of First Class and DoFP, which suggests to me that without Matthew Vaughn and Jane Goldman to lean on, Simon Kinberg struggles mightily. To me, the answer will be to get someone like Goldman (if not Goldman herself) back to write X-Men 7. Singer probably should step back as he seems to be running on fumes at this point in the franchise, creatively speaking.

    Overall a mess of a film, but no more so than Avengers: Age of Ultron. I also enjoyed it more, because it actually paid off everything it set up, even if it got muddled along the way.

    7/10
     
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  2. iacobusleo

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    So much love for Jean. It's beautiful. Been waiting for everybody to see it.
     
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  3. Lightning Strykez!

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    Great points. Especially regarding the zero connection between [BLACKOUT]Storm and Xavier. It's funny, but in Days Of Future Past, Logan told Xavier to search for Storm and bring her, along with Scott and Jean together. And yet the Professor didn't have one line of dialogue with Storm in this follow-up film. [/BLACKOUT]

    And Bryan directed BOTH films! How could he forget to tie up that loose end? :whatever:
     
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  4. SAUspartan

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    Seriously though... Rose Byrne. The Perfect Moira.
     
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  5. iacobusleo

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    The scene where Jean and Magneto are rebuilding the Mansion with everyone looking on
    is the second best scene in the movie for me. It captures the family feel of the comic books perfectly. Such an underrated scene that deserves more mentions.
     
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  6. kineticist

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    Completely agree. The whole time she was on screen I was just thinking..i love her lol
     
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  7. DACrowe

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    Yes and I will go a step further. If [blackout]Magneto is ever a bad guy again in this franchise, it will feel regressive. That moment to me confirmed Magneto and Xavier have come to an understanding and Erik has put his anger away. Granted, that happens in the comics but he changes his mind later. However, we have seen this character in six films and he has been an antagonist to some degree whether small (First Class) or not (the others). He finally is at peace with Xavier. That is a capper.[/blackout]
     
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  8. kineticist

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    Completely agree.
     
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  9. Mad Ones

    Mad Ones Bebe le Strange

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    This film was exactly what I wanted it to be: a touching closing of the Xavier-Magneto-Mystique relationship, an origin story for my favourite characters, and an opportunity to display mutant powers in a way that the original trilogy never had a chance to.

    I'll start with the strengths, the biggest being the cast and the characters. There wasn't a single weak link in the acting department and they utilized characters that made this movie feel like classic X-men. McAvoy's Xavier is one of the most likeable comic book characters. I loved hearing about his dreams of expanding the school into a university and accepting humans as well. His empathy was once again emphasized, particularly when talking to Jean. Their connection as telepaths was well developed. Restoring Moira's memories made Xavier's arc complete. First Class, DOFP, and Apocalypse have done Xavier a real service and McAvoy should be celebrated for realizing the character.

    I can't believe I've endured Mystique complaints for this long. I liked where she was at the beginning of the movie and at the end. She starts the movie as an independent agent, rescuing mutants but not caring enough to ensure long-term security. I honestly liked that she didn't use her blue form because she didn't feel like a hero everyone thought she was. DOFP was partly about how Mystique channels her grief over the First Class characters into a Magneto style vengeance mission. Seeing the danger of Magneto's grief and taking on students really closed that arc.

    Fassbender can do no wrong in the acting-wise and he brought his usual gravitas he inherited from McKellen. His arc was about how losing his families (his parents, and his wife and kid) blinded him to the family that is always there for him (Xavier and Mystique) and the family he doesn't even know is out there (Quicksilver). I absolutely hate hate hate when comic books/movies kill off wives and kids to develop a male character. Magneto's arc unfortunately involves this tired and problematic trope. However, I can't say it wasn't done well. Of course Fassbender's acting went for the heart, and even the way the events in the forest unfolded are very unsettling in a powerful way. I liked seeing him work on the good side at the end, and helping rebuild the mansion.

    While I thought the FC characters were handled nicely, I was even happier with the new characters. I need to jump to Jean first because she's the one I'm most excited about. I was at an influential age when X2 came out (13 - wow!) and Famke's Jean and the Phoenix tease triggered something in me and made me a fan for life I think. I'm happy to say that feeling burns as strongly as ever. While nothing will ever top Jean's X2 sacrifice, I nearly cried seeing a fully formed raptor. Everything about that scene was perfect. McAvoy's acting. Cerebro's doors opening. Jean walking on air. THE SCORE. My god I've been waiting 13 years for this and it didn't disappoint. I liked Jean outside of that scene of course. Her nightmare, kids being afraid of her, her introduction, etc. All was very well done.

    Finally Cyclops got his due, which includes an emotional arc, likeable dialogue, and lots of eye-beams! The theatre's sound system really made me feel the power behind his blasts. I like that his powers manifested while being bullied and I liked that Hank made his glasses (a nice nod to FC). It was hilarious when Cyclops destroyed Xavier's favourite tree. Two likeable actors playing likeable characters - that those characters are Cyclops and Xavier is a huge deal for me! It's easy to see how Havok's death set him up to be the leader we want him to be. He took charge during the alkali lake scene.

    Watching this Nighcrawler felt like watching X-men Evolution, which is a good thing. X2 Nightcrawler had one amazing action scene, but this Nightcrawler was utilized throughout the whole movie. They maintained his humour and his faith and was just all around likeable. I loved Shipp's Storm but because of how the story was structured she didn't get as many scenes as I wanted. Her accent was phenomenal and she undoubtedly looks the part. The movie managed to fit in a small arc for her - Mystique is her hero and seeing Apocalypse choke her was the turning point. I'm happy she got an origin and that we know a little more about the character. She was set up nicely so the next movie better deliver (honestly, it has to).

    I'll shift to things that didn't work as well. I've been avoiding talking about Apocalypse because I don't exactly know how to react. To my surprise, I found myself thinking that the character just didn't work at all in the first part of the movie. Maybe it's because the character doesn't feel like he belongs in a Singer X-men movie. For some reason I started warming up to him during the Cerebro scene, and particularly liked when he sent all the nuclear warheads in space - the Cold War and 80s setting worked here. Apocalypse thinks his world order is better than what the Cold War "superpowers" are providing, which admittedly isn't the best of humanity. I liked Apocalypse's voice and damn did he have some killer lines - there was one about God that I can't quite remember...

    But still the character didn't make much sense. The script is flawed because it spends so much time recruiting the Horsemen but doesn't do anything with them. His plan, and therefore the plot, is incredibly ill-defined. This is where I sympathize with unkind reviewers. Apocalypse is using Magneto to destroy the earth, but wants Xavier's body so he has control over the minds of those who are left. He thinks he's God, and Xavier's powers would make him one. But why why why? I'm very curious to see how the general audience responds to the character. I've said that I thought Apocalypse's design was a step up from the comics, however his characterization and motivation retain the same problems.

    I could have done without the Wolverine cameo, but I also hate the character so there was really no way I was gonna like it. THANK GOD not everyone's characters revolved around him. It was hilarious how Stryker just dipped.

    Too many characters and a weak villain plot make this a shakier entry; however, this is hardly a tragedy. It's an entry that builds up, rather than destroys, potential - which is what sets it apart from X3. I could have watched this movie for another two hours because it's X-men and as long as there are no fatal, fundamental flaws with the characters I love I can sit back and enjoy.
    I feel like if you combined X1 with Apocalypse it would be the definitive X-men movie.

    I honestly don't know how to rank it yet.

    X2>DOFP>Apocalypse>X1>First Class>Deadpool>The Wolverine>Origins>TLS
    ??? X1, Apocalypse, and First Class are liable to switch around depending how I'm feeling I think ???
     
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  10. iacobusleo

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    Yes. Yes. Perfect summation of the movie.

    I agree. I would have liked
    for Magneto to stay at the Mansion and Mystique be the one who drifts in and out, because as it stands right now the writers can very easily turn him evil again if they want to because once more he's on his own path
    , but what we got is perfectly fine.
     
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    Seriously.. I'm just imagining Rose in the next film. Flashbacks of Moira. What Joseph did to her. etc. She would slay it. Also, if anything had to be done to Proteus... God. But i feel this is asking too much. I like Singer and Kinberg but this feels like a storyline they wouldn't touch. Rape. etc. Would they go that dark? I don't know.

    She needs to win an Oscar for something before her career ends. Thats for sure. She's just the full package.
     
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  12. Mad Ones

    Mad Ones Bebe le Strange

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    Yaaaas. Totally agreed about X3 and Apoc's monlogue stood out to me as well. There's one line that I thought was particularly epic but I forgot it now.
    Thanks!
     
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    Just got back. I will say this was a solid movie...until the third act. So, I can see where the polarized opinions come from.

    Pros:
    [BLACKOUT]Wolverine scene was actually pretty awesome.
    Jean and Cyke were well done.
    Jean becoming Phoenix and ending Apocalypse!!!!!
    Apocalypse was actually pretty cool. Wish he was a bit more fleshed out and was the main action star in the third act.
    Danger Room[/BLACKOUT]

    Cons
    [BLACKOUT]Wow Psylocke had so much potential, and definitely had the best power displays/fight scenes. But wanted to see so much more from her
    Angel was by far the most useless
    Magneto being the main cause of destruction, and then everyone being cool with him at the end
    [/BLACKOUT]
     
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    [blackout] "You can fire your arrows from the Tower of Babel but you can never strike God." [/blackout] JEEEZ that was good.

    And yes I completely agree with everything you said about the movie.
     
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  15. iacobusleo

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    The use of Beethoven enhanced it greatly. One of the instantly classic scenes.

    Full credit to John Ottman. Singer was reluctant to put that in at first.
     
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  16. gap5ewl

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    I also want to say

    The cerebro scene with Apocalypse was one of the best scenes I've ever seen in a comic book movie. The classical music mixed with Apocalypse destroying all of the nukes in the world was so well done. Definitely my favorite part of the film
     
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  17. Mad Ones

    Mad Ones Bebe le Strange

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    That's it! Wasn't really on board with the character until that line haha.
     
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    Glad to hear all of you guys are liking it. Going on Saturday to experience it in 4D, seriously can't wait.
     
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    Just got back and I hated it the only parts I liked where with Jean Scott or Hank 4 out of 10
     
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    This pretty much sums up my thoughts. It's messy, but it's not a trainwreck and fans should be pleased.
     
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    Apocalypse nuke scene was one of the few things I liked, totally reminiscent of The Animated Series, voice was done well. Only scene he had that showed global presence :/

    Other good stuff:
    Nightcrawler scenes
    [BLACKOUT]Phoenix[/BLACKOUT] scene
     
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  22. pr0xyt0xin

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    Movie wasn't amazing, but it was in no way as bad as I went into it expecting. My biggest gripe is the same one I had when the movie was announced. A bunch of kids vs the most powerful X-Men villain? Silly AF.

    That being said, they did a decent job pulling it off. And I was more impressed with the cast than I thought I would be.

    8/10. Sits right up alongside First Class and DoFP. It was a solid entry. I'm glad it wasn't absolute garbage.
     
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    I knew that fans would be pretty happy overall. It's pretty much middle of the pack when it comes to the overall series. But I had a feeling people would enjoy it for what it was. And I think audiences will too if not more. Because they don't look at this under a microscope like we do.

    Also in the last few hours in IMDb the rating was 7.6 at 35k. Now it's 47k and still 7.6 so I think most people are rating this between a 7 and 8. We will see more as the weekend goes on.
     
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    I do want to point out another little fault. Caliban. Had a perfect look but just too unrecognizable from his comic counterpart.

    Also Angel. Had no endearing qualities before he lost his wings. So you didn't really feel for him.
     
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    I went into this film with incredibly low expectations, but the film was so, so enjoyable. I'm reluctant to call it a great movie, because objectively, it is an overly simplistic film with very undefined arcs that end up making it feel kinda empty and not able to fill out the scale it promised, but in terms of pure enjoyment, I just got so much out of it. Wow!

    Beginning with the positives, as others have mentioned - there is no weak link in this cast. Hailee Steinfeld who? Taron Egerton who? I only have eyes for Tye and Sophie. I've never really been a fan of the character of Scott to begin - I'm one of those guys who always found him a bit square as a result of the Singer films and my general exposure to X-Men and Wolverine as a child, but the X-Men could not truly be the X-Men without Scott Summers. Singer has known this all along and it's finally great to see him have a substantial role in a film. Tye does a great job of acting without his eyes, and at Alkali Lake you really see him take charge, setting the foundation for future leader Scott!

    Sophie is the Jean Grey we've all been waiting for I think. To think, 16 years ago we began with Famke catching Toad midair and lifting Wolverine. But now we have her rather in control of other abilities and director who knows very well that he let arguably the true female lead of his films to be squandered and unceremoniously killed off in TLS. Her relationship with Charles is great and though this film may have extreme issues with continuity, the one thing they seem to remember very well is that Charles should not try to control Jean. The way he relies upon her is marvelous.

    Kodi is so charismatic as Nightcrawler and brings great amounts of levity to the film. We all mentioned how good Singer was first with teleporters and then with speedsters and to think we got both Kurt and Peter in this film! Fantastic! Really balances rounds out the cast well. He is a good bridge between Cummings' Nightcrawler as well as XME's Kurt. A perfect mix and the right place to draw from in my opinion. Now they just need him to have a sword!

    I'm okay with Peter not revealing his lineage. I think they did a plenty fine job by hinting at it, though it's more Evan Peters himself being able to sell Quicksilver as a guy who doesn't feel the need to say it all and just be content with where they are now. Every line he delivers is great. I thought Tom Holland was great at quips but I think Evan might make a good case for being the best quipper. His scene was great, but doesn't hold up to the prior one and that time could've been used for something better. Hope they graduate from it or tone it down a bit next time.

    James and Michael are again simply outstanding as their respective characters. Michael is the definitive Magneto in my opinion (though he benefits from having more to do in the script) - his evolution from vengeful son to villain to someone who eventually recognizes the people around him and makes peace with Charles is great. Michael truly gives his all as Erik - the family plotline he nails, and is simply I think the best casted comic book character today.

    James is once again magnificent - he is the true heart and soul of this franchise. Arguably more than Hugh or Patrick or Fassy ever were. These films have done Xavier a tremendous service and it's all thanks to James. People will highlight the success of Fassy and JLaw since FC, and all three have put the franchise on their back to bring it back after X3/Origins, but James is the engine that drives things. The best moment of a film seemingly built on showing awesome moments rather than a story was when Apocalypse had incapacitated Peter and was about to kill Mystique and Charles just cries due to being helpless and just sold the direness of the situation. Not to mention when Apocalypse enters Cerebro, he just sells the pain so well.

    Jennifer was much better in this film than she was in First Class and or DOFP. Her role was suitable and her arc in which she comes to start truly caring for mutants once again is fitting. I'm one of the people who enjoy Jennifer and like having her around and hopefully with the amount of work she'll have to do being cut down, she'll stick around. But if she goes, no hard feelings either.

    The Weapon X sequence was incredible. In those moments I just think, "Man, do I love seeing Hugh." I love him dearly and will miss him dearly. Glad to see Hugh drop some bodies as Weapon X and I did like that little homage hinting at Logan's feelings for Jean. Ends up bringing it full circle.

    Absolutely loved the family aspect of this film. Forget what I said about Singer not getting the family theme and asking to bring in Joss. I still want Joss but Singer understands the idea of family too.

    Alex looked good as Storm, and her mini-arc was great. I just wished she got to talk to Scott, Jean or Charles a bit so we could plant the seeds for her arrival at the mansion.

    Onto the negatives however, this film just feels like it's constructed on awesome moments and sequences rather than a more cohesive story. The Alkali Lake sequence is important because it shows the young kids in action, develops them as a team, Scott as a leader etc, but it really just seems like an aside to redo Logan's origin as well as reestablish Weapon X/Stryker etc. after Origins messed it up. There's a feeling that this film is more of addressing complaints and fixing issues that makes it feel a bit inorganic.

    I initially believed that we would sorta have this dichotomy between Apocalypse/Charles and the Horseman/X-Men, as the Horsemen/X-Men are kinda students/disciples/followers in a way and we were going to see that kinda philosophical conflict arise. But those things are settled with one or two lines and due to the fact that they spend so much time on recruitment, there's no initial battle or anything to see the X-Men actually meet Storm, Betsy, Warren and sorta plant the seeds for them to turn on Apocalypse. You can get a sense of certain arcs here and there, but they're very undefined. I realize Nightcrawler/Archangel meeting in Berlin was to truncate their respective origins/recruitments, but I feel like if we started with the students at the mansion already (or at least everyone but Scott), we could've had a bit more Horseman time and or more mansion time, thereby filling out the film a bit more with development.

    That being said, I love, love, love Olivia Munn as Psylocke. She clearly worked really hard as Psylocke so I hope people are receptive to her and filmmakers have plans for her in the future. The fact she works as a hired gun for Caliban and the Morlocks at least in a way offers something to work in the future. If Gambit/Sinister deals with the Morlocks and the mutant underground, I hope to see her there. I will quite literally take any and all incoherent and contrived reason for Ryan and Tim to use Psylocke in X-Force.

    Oh and Caliban's actor was great.

    Oscar Issac wasn't bad at all as Apocalypse. They needed to flesh him out more though - he was overly simplistic and there wasn't a lot of weight to his recruitment scenes. Sure we got Singer homaging American Werewolf in London, but so what? We got him destroying things, so what? That visually striking design and a charismatic actor went a bit unfulfilled.

    The CGI wasn't bad but even the destruction was boring. Like surely there were better ways to show the destruction. The action was passable and also rather brief, which makes the fact this 2 hour 20 minute runtime couldn't service the Horsemen a bit better slightly frustrating.

    Alex's death should've been given more time to breathe and settle in. Certainly not the Darwin treatment but yeah, thankfully Tye did a good job of selling it.

    Like a Fire is a bit blah compared to Powell's Phoenix Rises, but we could just say Like a Fire is the Phoenix theme and Phoenix Rises is the Dark Phoenix theme. I hope we get to see more of Powell's work there again. It's really a great theme.

    This film is far and away not a tragedy or franchise killer. Is it a bit weaker compared to previous installments? Yeah, but a lot of the films misgivings I can let slide because there's an incredible amount of effort and heart to the film. Singer is no longer the guy who didn't allow comic books on set anymore, he's embraced it. It may not work and hold together, but it's certainly not because they didn't care or try. The film was enthralling and the ending scene? Pitch perfect.

    This might underperform but I hope everyone involved, especially the new cast, doesn't get too discouraged. This film is total opposite of X3 in that it sets up a great foundation for the future. Singer can go pursue other projects now knowing that he at least did his part to get things on track after X3 and Origins quite nearly torpedoed this entire franchise.

    I wasn't gonna give it anything higher than a 7, but I'll give it an 8/10.

    I want to see the Nice Guys but I need to see this film again! Gah!
     
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