Vengeance Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[avidreader]

I think it's Lionel. If you've noticed, Lionel has barely been featured this season - only sporatic scenes here and there. Lionel isn't needed as much in SV as his presence has essentially served its purpose - corrupting Lex. Don't get me wrong, I love John Glover. I just don't know if there's anymore use for his character in SV.

However, that does bring up the "someone you love," dilemma. Pretty sure Clark isn't loving Lionel so much.

But Lionel is harbouring Jor-el and I guess its reasonable to assume that Clark loves Jor-el. Despite their relationship to date.

 

[Max]

But Lionel is harbouring Jor-el and I guess its reasonable to assume that Clark loves Jor-el. Despite their relationship to date.

Yeah, I thought of that too, Avid. I'm just not sure the writers want to part with Jor-el yet. I still think it's going to be Lionel. I don't see it being Jonathan (not yet) or Chloe (she's too popular). If the title of the episode is Vengeance, I don't see Clark seeking revenge, but Lex - definitely.

 

[avidreader]

They might want to move on to a more physical presence in the FOS though, and Lara could take over that possie very nicely.

 

[Bruce_Wayne29]

They might want to move on to a more physical presence in the FOS though, and Lara could take over that possie very nicely.

That's an interesting theory. But there's still something that doesn't quite fit in. Clark should be able to "see" or hear Jor-El in his holograms during his training which hasn't even started yet, so I'm really having a tough time swallowing the fact that they might want to part ways with Terence Stamp which has been such a cool thing for the series.
Lara would be cool nonetheless. Can we find out who did her voice in the Memoria episode ?
I really doubt it will be Jonathan since John has a contract for every episode in this season. Maybe Lionel and that could be another or the ultimate thing that drives Lex completly into the darkside.

 

[Red]

I think it's Lionel. If you've noticed, Lionel has barely been featured this season - only sporatic scenes here and there. Lionel isn't needed as much in SV as his presence has essentially served its purpose - corrupting Lex. Don't get me wrong, I love John Glover. I just don't know if there's anymore use for his character in SV.

However, that does bring up the "someone you love," dilemma. Pretty sure Clark isn't loving Lionel so much.

agreed.

maybe pete comes back...then er dies

 

[Triligors]

My bet is still on Jonathon. It's inevitable that he's going to die, so I think he'll just unfortunately die now.

And jumping the gun on Lex being evil?

He is evil. Lex made a deal with convicted felons that he set up from the getgo in order to find out if Clark is or is not super human- even if it meant harming others in the process! Lex also tortured Aqua and Clark saved Aqua from dieing- didn't you notice how his skin was kinda turning blue and withering away? Aquaman only has a limited amount of time he can stay on land, Lex noticed this yet did nothing about it. If Clark hadn't come in time, bye bye AC. Thus, in the end of the episode Clark tells Fine that he wants to help him "destroy" Lex which will definitely shatter their relationship and will be evident in tonights episode.

 

[NHawk19]

Meh could be Brainiac's vengence on Clark for whatever he does at the FOS

 

[mellyM]

But Lionel is harbouring Jor-el and I guess its reasonable to assume that Clark loves Jor-el. Despite their relationship to date.

I don't think Jor-El needs anyone to exist, he just used Lionel so he could physically get to Clark, much like he used Jonathan to heal Clark in Talisman. I wouldn't be surprised if they killed both fathers, hell it may even be Martha, and I seriously hope its not Chloe..I'm so not going to be able to resist any sides if they are released.

 

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Meh could be Brainiac's vengence on Clark for whatever he does at the FOS

Braniac gets Clark to DESTROY the FOS. What would Braniac have against Clark ?

 

[Triligors]

Destroy the FOS? I don't think so, but might work- kind of like Fine destroying Clark's possible history of Krypton so that he wouldn't learn anything....?

 

[OobeDoobBenubi]

That is what Spoilers say for the Episode Martha gets that Krypton Disease. Fine tells Clark Jor El is responsible for Martha getting the disease & somehow Fine is able to convince Clark to destroy it. All on K-Site. So we should see a LITTLE Destruction before Clark figures out whats really going on

 

[tonytr1687]

My bet is still on Jonathon. It's inevitable that he's going to die, so I think he'll just unfortunately die now.

And jumping the gun on Lex being evil?

He is evil. Lex made a deal with convicted felons that he set up from the getgo in order to find out if Clark is or is not super human- even if it meant harming others in the process! Lex also tortured Aqua and Clark saved Aqua from dieing- didn't you notice how his skin was kinda turning blue and withering away? Aquaman only has a limited amount of time he can stay on land, Lex noticed this yet did nothing about it. If Clark hadn't come in time, bye bye AC. Thus, in the end of the episode Clark tells Fine that he wants to help him "destroy" Lex which will definitely shatter their relationship and will be evident in tonights episode.

The only thing Lex knew about AC was that he could breathe under water. And yes he did set up all that to test Clark, but I don't think he knew Lana would be there and especially not his parents. And even if he did he was convinced of Clark enough that he thought he would save them. But I kinda half-agree with you in that Lex is pretty much evil, just not enough to kill someone yet. And this is exactly why I feel the writers have rushed his full transformation. It wasn't long ago that he 'didn't want anyone to get hurt' like in Sacred or Forever, and now all of a sudden he doesn't care about human life to an extent? What gives?

And another thing, can someone tell me where in Aqua did Lex see AC breathe under water?

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

he saw him check out the Leviathan machine on the video on his computer. He stopped it in slow mo and you could see A.C.'s face.

 

[Triligors]

Well, I was seeing AC right there and it was obvious that he was getting very sick just by looking at his skin color and Lex knows of meteor freaks- so he could have thought that's what AC could have been. But, Lex was there watching AC become dry- similar to how a fish can't survive on land. So, that means Lex was going to kill AC.

And maybe not whole evil yet, but Clark doesn't seem likely to even be on friendly speaking terms with Lex anymore. Now it will be just like "yeah, I'm only talking to you because it deals with something bigger than you." He went to Fine litterally saying, "I'll help you bring Lex down."

 

[avidreader]

The only thing Lex knew about AC was that he could breathe under water. And yes he did set up all that to test Clark, but I don't think he knew Lana would be there and especially not his parents. And even if he did he was convinced of Clark enough that he thought he would save them. But I kinda half-agree with you in that Lex is pretty much evil, just not enough to kill someone yet. And this is exactly why I feel the writers have rushed his full transformation. It wasn't long ago that he 'didn't want anyone to get hurt' like in Sacred or Forever, and now all of a sudden he doesn't care about human life to an extent? What gives?

And another thing, can someone tell me where in Aqua did Lex see AC breathe under water?

That was almost a year ago, and he now is sick to death of everyone keeping things from him. He assumes its because he's Lex Luthor and cant be trusted. So in my opinion he is conducting himself in the way that people see him, he just doesnt care any more. He'll get what he wants regardless.

 

[tonytr1687]

he saw him check out the Leviathan machine on the video on his computer. He stopped it in slow mo and you could see A.C.'s face.

What scene was that?

 

[triplet]

What scene was that?

Just before Clark and Aquadude came in for their confrontation with him, I believe....

He closed the laptop to hide from them what he was looking at, I guess.

 

[KalKai]

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]New Spoilers Revealed 11/3/05:[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]- Chloe is present in these spoilers; however, don't assume that ANY spoilers beyond the previous episode ensure safety for your favorite character. We have learned that some false information can and will be disseminated. Beyond that, we do find it a bit odd that the casting sides for the episode mention nothing of a character death. TPTB may be on to us. Although... the Daily Planet connection here is pretty intricate, so maybe it DOES mean Chloe is safe.[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]But I Thought Clark Hated Masks?
- Clark puts on a pantyhose mask and pretends to mug Chloe, in order to get the attention of a local vigilante. The ruse works. The vigilante shows up and pounces, spinning the "mugger" off of Chloe. The vigilante is described as a masked, leather-clad heroine. There's a fight, and Clark pulls the mask off of her.. revealing Maya. Chloe and Clark recognize her, and are rocked.[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]As The Anvil Turns
- Maya turns into her "civilian identity" in a phone booth outside of the Daily Planet. Chloe asks her about this, and Maya says that the bathroom was taken. Chloe comments about how different Maya looks with her hair in a scrunchie and a pair of glasses. Chloe then asks Maya for an exclusive interview, promising not to reveal her true identity. Funny how Chloe takes all of these Lois Lane-like mannerisms all the time. "Trust me, she's great at keeping secrets," Clark tells Maya. Maya ends up striding to her desk, which implies she's an employee at the Daily Planet. Clark and Chloe follow her there, and there's a meteor rock on her desk. Chloe tries to keep it away from Clark. We learn that a meteor rock once saved Maya's life.[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Origin of Maya
- Six months previous, Maya and her mother were stabbed. She needed a heart transplant, and nearly died. The person who ended up becoming her heart donor, was in Smallville and died during the second meteor shower. Somehow the meteors must have affected the heart, which gave Maya special powers.
- Maya's mother wasn't so lucky. She had passed away. But her mom had worked a lot to give to the community and help people, as a social worker, which inspired Maya in many ways. "The day she died I lost my hero," Maya said.[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Costume Fun
- Later, Clark asks why Maya takes her costume everywhere, and doesn't wear it everywhere she goes. "It bunches up. Makes me look fat," she tells him. He also asks her why she wears a mask and black leather, and she asks if he'd rather suggest primary colors and a cape.
- "So who are you really? The mild-mannered reporter or the dark avenger?" Clark asks. Batman anvil!
- Clark and Maya definitely have different approaches to crime fighting. [/font]

 

[avidreader]

It sounds like a good episode. This new character sounds like a cross between batgirl/wonderwoman/superman/clark kent.

 

[Mike_D]

Well...I guess that answers the "chloe will die in episode 100" dilema.

 

[avidreader]

I've seen some sides that Clark is after someone who stole his watch. There is speculation that the watch was given to him by whoever died in 5.12.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

This doesn't make any sense. This does not sound like fall out at all. Also watch out for Chloe to possible be replaced with Lois in these scenes, if this is true.

 

[Zorex]

well....so there's a chance Chloe may not die in 5.10........but yeah, she could possibly be replaced by Lois. but still.....I really really hope it stays Chloe.

 

[Triligors]

Name replacement? I don't think so because Lois has no connection to the Daily Planet other than that her cousin works there. Kill Chloe, kill Daily Planet. That's why I don't think it's her that dies. These spoilers just go to prove that.

Anyways. This episode is going to be GREAT, there's ALOT of references. Such as changing in a telephone booth- lol, never expected that to show up at some point. The dark avenger/knight reference as well as the funny line: Clark also asks her why she wears a mask and black leather, and she asks if he'd rather suggest primary colors and a cape. (kind of reminds me of the X-Men dialouge: What? Would you prefer to wear yellow spandex?).

Also, I think this probably is a DC hero and the name Maya is just covering it up. Gough and Millar said to expect more hero cameos this season, which means more than one (Aquaman) and I'm betting this is it. Anyways, it sounds like a 'cameo' episode. It has 1. Clark not trusting hero, 2. Clark and hero have differences in methods and learn something from each other, 3. Clark and hero part ways the same and have references to various things of the DC universe. I don't know, but this is the pattern of a cameo episode, and kryptonsites "might possibly be a codeword" I think is correct. It's under wraps who it is, films often do this. While Begins was filming I think they called it Fear or something, usually happens on certain episodes. Is there any other heroine in the universe or is it only Wonder Woman?

 

[avidreader]

Anyways. This episode is going to be GREAT, there's ALOT of references. Such as changing in a telephone booth- lol, never expected that to show up at some point.

Hmmm.... Season 3 Exile. Clark is in a phone booth and rips his shirt open, revealing an S on his chest. Well it was an 8, but same thing.