Villain Predictions....

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  1. bellepheron

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    Many people on these boards are predicting that Lizard and Kraven will be the villains for SM4, I personally think they would be great and perfectly compliment each other.

    Out of interest, how successful were everyone on these boards at predicting villains for the previous SM movies?

    Dyu think Sony could suprise us with 2 random villains, like Carnage and Electro??
     
  2. Green Goblin 1964

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    Electro wouldn't be much of a surprise but as for Carnage...GOD I hope not :o:csad:
     
  3. BobJM

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    Raimi, if he is onboard for SM4, has expressed interest in both Lizard and Electro. If I remember correctly, I don't remember him mentioning anything about Kraven.

    So, more like an educated guess I suppose, if Raimi and crew come back for a fourth, I'll be putting my money on Lizard definitely and Electro.
     
  4. Blader5489

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    Really doesn't matter what Raimi wants since he isn't writing the script.
     
  5. Spider-Fan

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    If I was a betting man, my money would be on (assuming we get 2 villains) The Lizard and Electro.

    Why did I say Electro over Kraven you ask? I think it would be great to pair Kraven with the Lizard (and it would be my pair if I was choosing), but I doubt they will because Kraven has less cinematic potential than Electro. Not plot potential, cinematic potential, meaning looking cool. Kraven just has strength and agility (which we get in The Lizard plus a cool repitilian tail and look). The Vulture would have been another candidate (since he was to be in SM3), but we have had 2 flight villains already, so Vulture brings less new stuff to the table.

    With Electro, we gain a villain (much like Sandman) we can give any type of story we want to (since he was never a master planner type) and cool electricity effects to go with it. Also, we get more distance battles with Electro than we have had at this point.

    I would like SM4 to be Kraven and Lizard, but realistically I don't see that happening, and I see Lizard and Electro being the most likely pair. I like Electro, and he is one of the top 4 villains I still want to see, so I wouldn't be too disappointed with that.

    Of course, this is just a plain guess by me. I have nothing to back this up (as far as studio talk) or anything, so this is me just guessing. Nothing more.
     
  6. BobJM

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    Didn't he work on the script for the last movie with his brother?

    My guess is that Raimi has a big impact on the script and the characters that go into it.
     
  7. Blader5489

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    Raimi has been involved with the scripts for all three movies, but he is taking a hands-free approach to the script for SM4.
     
  8. BobJM

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    Just you wait. If he's direct, I sincerely doubt that he'll be "hands free".

    He'll make changes.
    The studio will make changes.
    And after that, there will be impromptu changes on set with the actors and special effects crew and availability of sets and all the things that go on through production.

    So, in a nutshell, the script, once handed in, will be everyone's hands and the studio will make necessary changes after listening to the comments/complaints from the crew.
     
  9. Blader5489

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    He isn't going to be changing any major plot elements or characters though. Hell, he won't even come back unless he likes the script (in which case, why would he change it at all?). It really is all in Vanderbilt's hands.
     
  10. BobJM

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    He changed the whole 3rd act of SM3?
     
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    The end result is still the same, as are all of the characters. There wasn't a radical change like you suggest.

    My point is, Raimi isn't writing the script and he'll only direct if he likes the script. Obviously, if he chooses to direct it means he likes the script, so there wouldn't be any significant differences between Vanderbilt's script and the final cut.
     
  12. IamProdigy

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    He changed quite a bit with the third act.
     
  13. BobJM

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    I know.
     
  14. Spider-ManHero12

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    Carnage would be bad in a Spidey film and Electro shoulding't appear in Spidey 4 but maybe Spidey 5.

    As for how good have my predictions been. They have been good, which makes me think Lizard and Kraven will be in Spidey4.
     
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    Carnage wouldn't be bad, he'd just end up being stupid in a pg-13 movie because the studio are too vajjy to do the character justice.
     
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    People make too much of the changes to SM3. Fact is, the movie would be mostly the same with Vulture as it was with Venom, only no Symbiote Parker and maybe not Gwen. SM3 would have had the same message and feel, and same result of the climax.

    People make too much of the changes.
     
  17. BobJM

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    I KNOW!!!!!!!

    Maybe I'm not explaining this well enough. I started this whole conversation about changing the script with Blader and said that, at some point, Raimi will definitely get his hands on the script, no matter what he says now about being "hands free".

    He has expressed interest in both Lizard and Electro, not Lizard and Kraven. Thus, if a script is handed into him with a character he doesn't want, my guess is that he will change it with another. Character swapping doesn't need to necessarily change the whole course of the film, let alone the theme of it.

    That's it! I'm done explaining myself.

    Tha--Tha--Tha--That's all folks!
     
  18. Blader5489

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    Raimi is only coming back if he likes the script. If he likes it, then he why would he change it?

    Additionally, I'd like to point out that Raimi also expressed interest in the Sinister Six, which includes Kraven. It's also worth noting that he name dropped Vulture and Electro before mentioning the Lizard.
     
  19. BobJM

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    I give up....

    God, kill me now.
     
  20. Spider-Fan

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    OK...I get what you are saying, and I agree with you. Screenwriters (by nature) have little final say in the production, so if Sam likes the story, but not the 2nd villain, I think you are right he will have it changed.

    I also agree Lizard and Electro is far more likely than Lizard and Kraven. Sam (and Tobey) mentioned liking the Sandman prior to SM3 a few times, and with his dropping of Lizard (which he has done a lot during his SM movie reign) and dropping of Electro, this is what I see happening.
     
  21. BobJM

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    Thank you. For a second, I thought I was losing my mind.
     
  22. Spider-Fan

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    You haven't...at least not yet :ninja:
     
  23. BobJM

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    What is hard to understand? He wants someone else to write up the next story in this franchise. To come back and make any kind of change to it is completely counter-productive; it defeats the purpose of leaving the story construction to someone else.
     
  25. spideyboy_1111

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    the spidey 4 villain is rumored to be Lizard... for those who know me on the boards, saw how i predicted and was correct about harry and venoms costume (minus harry having a hood which got removed in the final design). Well i got this from a different friend (though still a credible one). Who's boss told him that sony has already started developing computer work for lizard, to test it out. take this rumor as a grain of salt though, I believe it to be true, but that doesnt mean Lizard will make the final cut, it's WAY too early
     

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