Sequels Villain Predictions....

[Mr Jide]

Hmm, I suppose anything can happen and I agree, spider-fan930 that the spidey writers can do much better with their characters than Story and Fox with theirs but I'm just not sold on electro. I think that he'd probably work better as the main or single villain, focusing on a much grander story that dwarfs the peril that doc ock presented in sm2.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Hmm, I suppose anything can happen and I agree, spider-fan930 that the spidey writers can do much better with their characters than Story and Fox with theirs but I'm just not sold on electro. I think that he'd probably work better as the main or single villain, focusing on a much grander story that dwarfs the peril that doc ock presented in sm2.

I agree that Electro could work in that way also. Electro could work in many ways, while Kraven's best cinematic potential is with the Lizard, so I hope he gets the nod.

 

[Spider-Ranger]

the spidey 4 villain is rumored to be Lizard... for those who know me on the boards, saw how i predicted and was correct about harry and venoms costume (minus harry having a hood which got removed in the final design). Well i got this from a different friend (though still a credible one). Who's boss told him that sony has already started developing computer work for lizard, to test it out. take this rumor as a grain of salt though, I believe it to be true, but that doesnt mean Lizard will make the final cut, it's WAY too early

I'm feeling that you're gonna keep us up-to-date and I will be loving it t:

 

[ThatDamnNinja]

This might not mean much, but I think the hiring of the guy who wrote Zodiac lends itself to the Lizard/Kraven pairing more than anything else.

 

[BobJM]

How so? Maybe they hired a character-driven screenwriter to develop more a backstory for Electro and give him the Sandman-type treatment and make him sympathetic.

 

[ThatDamnNinja]

How so? Maybe they hired a character-driven screenwriter to develop more a backstory for Electro and give him the Sandman-type treatment and make him sympathetic.

Have you seen Zodiac? This is not a guy they hired to make a villain more touchy-feely. The hiring suggests more of a serious, character-driven thriller direction... but certainly not in the way that Sandman was. After watching Zodiac, the whole hiring definately smacks of Lizard/Kraven hunt storyline... a smaller movie, in terms of space. Not the broad, sweeping, overblown epic that Spider-Man 3 thought it was, and it would almost certainly become if Electro was involved.

And I honestly have no idea how you tie Lizard and Electro into each other. Electro should almost certainly be a sympathetic villain (not like Sandman though; not a "good guy who just wants to do what's right but has bad luck and makes a bad decision"), which means Lizard and Electro would be a mismatched pairing. You don't want two sympathetic villains. Lizard already fills that slot. Electro/Vulture makes a lot more sense. You could make Electro the sympathetic, manipulated, emotionally unstable character, with Vulture as the evil bastard cunning manipulator.

 

[Mr Jide]

We don't need villain number 2 to be sympathetic. That's just forcing it when you consider that the lizard is actually a sympathetic villain in the form of Dr Connors. This is actually good enough motivation to bring in kraven who is a professional hunter on the fringe of lunacy with all these drugs he takes to ensure his prise. One sympathetic villain and one natural nutter. It works.

 

[Green Goblin 1964]

We don't need villain number 2 to be sympathetic. That's just forcing it when you consider that the lizard is actually a sympathetic villain in the form of Dr Connors. This is actually good enough motivation to bring in kraven who is a professional hunter on the fringe of lunacy with all these drugs he takes to ensure his prise. One sympathetic villain and one natural nutter. It works.

I like that idea

 

[Venom 1988]

Electro/Vulture makes a lot more sense. You could make Electro the sympathetic, manipulated, emotionally unstable character, with Vulture as the evil bastard cunning manipulator.

Agreed

 

[BobJM]

Have you seen Zodiac? This is not a guy they hired to make a villain more touchy-feely. The hiring suggests more of a serious, character-driven thriller direction... but certainly not in the way that Sandman was.

Just because he wrote a film about a serial killer, doesn't mean that he was hired to make SM4 a thriller. He was hired for characterization. Just because his previous film was Zodiac, doesn't mean that he is only capable of making characters like that.

After watching Zodiac, the whole hiring definately smacks of Lizard/Kraven hunt storyline... a smaller movie, in terms of space. Not the broad, sweeping, overblown epic that Spider-Man 3 thought it was, and it would almost certainly become if Electro was involved.

How is having Electro, making the film "overblown", but a giant Lizard is totally acceptable? His character can be adapted into whatever the writer feels necessary. This only works for characters like Electro and Sandman because they were always henchmen-type villains and never really portrayed as masterminds.

And I honestly have no idea how you tie Lizard and Electro into each other.

You don't have to link the villains together, only to Peter. What connections did Sandman have with Venom or New Goblin?

Electro should almost certainly be a sympathetic villain (not like Sandman though; not a "good guy who just wants to do what's right but has bad luck and makes a bad decision"), which means Lizard and Electro would be a mismatched pairing. You don't want two sympathetic villains. Lizard already fills that slot.

Why does Electro have to sympathetic? Why can't he cold and ruthless and mad with power. His character can be written either way...sympathetic or ruthless.

Electro/Vulture makes a lot more sense. You could make Electro the sympathetic, manipulated, emotionally unstable character, with Vulture as the evil bastard cunning manipulator.

I admit, this teamup sounds kickass, but I can't see Vulture working well on screen, so I'd like to see Electro ASAP

 

[Venom 1988]

You don't have to link the villains together, only to Peter. What connections did Sandman have with Venom or New Goblin?

Which is one of SM3's mistakes , too many storylines and they all came crashing together in the end. At least with Lizard and Kraven you can easily intertwine the 2 and have them in one contained storyline.

I admit, this teamup sounds kickass, but I can't see Vulture working well on screen, so I'd like to see Electro ASAP

Your sounding like the impatient Venom fanboys pre SM3, try and learn from their mistakes. Electro isnt a logical next step.

 

[BobJM]

Lizard is the next logical step, not Kraven.

It doesn't matter who he's with. AND there are ways to connect Lizard to other villains, besides Kraven. Just because that's the most obvious, doesn't mean its the only possibility.

 

[ThatDamnNinja]

Lizard is the next logical step, not Kraven.

It doesn't matter who he's with. AND there are ways to connect Lizard to other villains, besides Kraven. Just because that's the most obvious, doesn't mean its the only possibility.

How is Kraven not the next logical step? How is Electro any more of a next logical step?

 

[BobJM]

No, I'm saying that Lizard is the next logical step, not Electro nor Kraven.

If written correctly, however, Kraven or Electro could work well with him.

 

[ThatDamnNinja]

No, I'm saying that Lizard is the next logical step, not Electro nor Kraven.

If written correctly, however, Kraven or Electro could work well with him.

Fair enough. Personally, I think MOST marquee Spider-Man villains could be written in such a way that they work. My whole point is that Lizard/Kraven makes too much sense not to do, considering that Kraven doesn't belong with any other villain, and the Electro/Vulture pairing seems like a match made in heaven as well (especially given Electro and Vulture's recent association with one another in the comics).

Now, when they do Electro (and they will), I wonder if they'll deal with his sexual identity issues... it's an interesting facet of the character. Also, I think they need to ditch his weakness to water. It makes him too easy to defeat, and it doesn't really make a great deal of sense scientifically. His inferiority complex, though, makes him a perfect matchup for another villain who could manipulate and exploit him, like Vulture (or Hobgoblin, though we probably don't want to see another goblin so soon)... I don't like the idea of him being the kind of confident, badass, and unabashedly evil bad guy that I think is needed to complement Lizard.

 

[BobJM]

Yea, you make a good point.

 

[Blader5489]

Now, when they do Electro (and they will), I wonder if they'll deal with his sexual identity issues... it's an interesting facet of the character. Also, I think they need to ditch his weakness to water. It makes him too easy to defeat, and it doesn't really make a great deal of sense scientifically. His inferiority complex, though, makes him a perfect matchup for another villain who could manipulate and exploit him, like Vulture

Electro's inferiority complex would be a perfect complement for a "Peter Parker No More" story.

 

[Visionary]

We are already doing it again, even earlier still, writing our own screenplay summaries, and you know what happens when it doesn't match up to their actual film...BUNCH-O-ANGRY-GEEKS.

There is no such thing as the next logical step, they could even ditch The Lizard if they wanted to, for whatever reason.

 

[BobJM]

"Peter Parker No More"? Never heard of it...is it new?

 

[BobJM]

We are already doing it again, even early still, writing our own screenplay summaries, and you know what happens when it doesn't match up to their actual film...BUNCH-O-ANGRY-GEEKS.

There is no such thing as the next logical step, they could even ditch The Lizard if they wanted to, for what ever reason.

They could easily ditch Lizard and make it a great movie, I'm just saying that having the Lizard be the next villain is an obvious choice because of his previous appearances and would make the most sense right now.

It was like when everyone was saying that Harry becoming the Goblin was the next logical step in the story after SM2. If the writers decided to hold off on New Goblin until SM4 let's say, they could have still made a great SM3.

Do you get what I'm saying, cause it's hard to explain and I feel like I'm doing a bad job.

 

[ThatDamnNinja]

We are already doing it again, even earlier still, writing our own screenplay summaries, and you know what happens when it doesn't match up to their actual film...BUNCH-O-ANGRY-GEEKS.

There is no such thing as the next logical step, they could even ditch The Lizard if they wanted to, for whatever reason.

They could. They could hold off Lizard until later... even though there wouldn't be much point. As much as I want Lizard/Kraven, I'm sure that whatever they come up with will be better than whatever I could come up with, and I'm excited to see what they do.

 

[Venom 1988]

"Peter Parker No More"? Never heard of it...is it new?

a 90s storyline

 

[Visionary]

They could easily ditch Lizard and make it a great movie, I'm just saying that having the Lizard be the next villain is an obvious choice because of his previous appearances and would make the most sense right now.

It was like when everyone was saying that Harry becoming the Goblin was the next logical step in the story after SM2. If the writers decided to hold off on New Goblin until SM4 let's say, they could have still made a great SM3.

Do you get what I'm saying, cause it's hard to explain and I feel like I'm doing a bad job.

Yeah, I get what you're saying. I'm just noting that we shouldn't assume what they're going to do with SM4, just because we feel it's right. Sure, The Lizard/Kraven sounds perfect, maybe they (Sony/Marvel) don't agree. And we get something totally different, with other villains.

 

[BobJM]

Yea that is true. Everyone just assumes that Lizard with definitely be in it (and debates about the second villain).

Perhaps Marvel just wants to keep Dr. Connors as a mentor figure and build up his relationship with Peter and not get into the Lizard storyline just yet.

 

[Blader5489]

"Peter Parker No More"? Never heard of it...is it new?

No, it was the story that led up to the Clone Saga. Basically, the **** in Peter's life just began piling up, culminating with Aunt May suffering a heart attack and falling into a coma. His life as Peter Parker became too painful for him to bear, so he retreated into his Spider-Man persona "permanently." He eventually snaps of it after nearly dying (twice).

The execution of the story wasn't that great, but the concepts there were pretty good.