Villains who fight heroes who are out of their league

[The Overlord]

Which villains fight heroes that are out of their league?

Captain boomerang fighting Flash, boomerangs ain't going to do much to guy who can go faster than the speed of light.

Toyman fighting Superman, killer toys are pretty useless against a guy with god like powers.

Trapster, a glue gun against people who have beaten Galactus?!

Leap-Frog, springs and frog costume against a highly skilled ninja?

These guys would not be a threat without p0lot induced stupidity on their side.

 

[AlteredEgo]

 

[Spike_x1]

You seem to have a thing against Captain Boomerang and the Toyman.

 

[cerealkiller182]

No kidding

Boomer first of all worked with the Rogues in tandem but now hes not even a villain anymore.

And Toyman was pretty effective in the Timmverse

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, and a small dose of electricity could render Superman unconscious in the Timmverse.

And the second Captain Boomerang had super-speed in bursts, which makes him significantly higher on the food chain than his father. He'd be a credible threat to the Flash, who--let's face it--tends to fight pretty stupidly 9 times out of 10 anyway.

 

[Aristotle]

Which is weird, because half the time he comes off so smart.

 

[Spike_x1]

Yeah, and a small dose of electricity could render Superman unconscious in the Timmverse.

I think that that absurdity was only starting to get hinted at in the latter parts of S:TAS, and then was painfully obvious in JL and JLU.

I look at the Toyman's first episode of S:TAS as one of the best examples (comics included) of Schott being a credible threat. Sure, Superman was never really in mortal danger, but fighting the huge ducky was sweet to watch, and was a kick-ass distraction to let the Toyman accomplish his real goals. In that way, the Toyman might never be a threat to Superman's life, but he's still a very capable member of the rogues gallery.

And the second Captain Boomerang had super-speed in bursts, which makes him significantly higher on the food chain than his father. He'd be a credible threat to the Flash, who--let's face it--tends to fight pretty stupidly 9 times out of 10 anyway.

Still, Digger was a cool baddie as well. I mean, so what if it's just boomerangs and the Flash could supposedly easily dodge them? Half of the Rogues use various types of guns, which Flash could also easily dodge (in theory), since those guns would have to be aimed, and the Flash should be nearly impossible to keep in your sights.

We know that Wally will go into a type of "cruise control" at times, so that his perceptions aren't always going at the same speed as his body, so I just chalk it up to that whenever he gets hit with things that he shouldn't get hit with.

 

[3dman27]

a ninja fighting spider-man?

 

[cerealkiller182]

I think that that absurdity was only starting to get hinted at in the latter parts of S:TAS, and then was painfully obvious in JL and JLU.

I look at the Toyman's first episode of S:TAS as one of the best examples (comics included) of Schott being a credible threat. Sure, Superman was never really in mortal danger, but fighting the huge ducky was sweet to watch, and was a kick-ass distraction to let the Toyman accomplish his real goals. In that way, the Toyman might never be a threat to Superman's life, but he's still a very capable member of the rogues gallery

when i think toyman and Timmverse i think of the unstoppable bouncy ball the kicked Supes ass all over a warehouse

 

[Manic]

when i think toyman and Timmverse i think of the unstoppable bouncy ball the kicked Supes ass all over a warehouse

Super-Flubber!

That's Fred McMurray-era flubber, not Robin Williams flubber. Williams' flubber would just kinda dance at you and fail to hold your interest.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Still, Digger was a cool baddie as well. I mean, so what if it's just boomerangs and the Flash could supposedly easily dodge them? Half of the Rogues use various types of guns, which Flash could also easily dodge (in theory), since those guns would have to be aimed, and the Flash should be nearly impossible to keep in your sights.

We know that Wally will go into a type of "cruise control" at times, so that his perceptions aren't always going at the same speed as his body, so I just chalk it up to that whenever he gets hit with things that he shouldn't get hit with.

Yeah, lots of the Flash's enemies do pose a threat to him in the comics when they shouldn't. That's why I said he acts kind of stupidly 9 times out of 10. But that's Wally for you. The fact that he'll do "the dance" with a lot of his villains when he could easily take them down if he tried is part of his charm.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Yea, the Flash's villains are a prime example. By theory, Flash should be unstoppable really. But then you wouldn't have a story.

One I'll throw in there is Black Manta. I'm a big Aquaman fan and all...but that never made sense to me. Here you had a dude who could walk if he wanted in pressures that could crush a human, and Black Manta was his archnemesis. I think Ocean Master should be more recognized as such since he has the Magic going for him, and some Atlantean blood to make it more passable for him to deck Aquaman.

That being said, a few of Aquaman's other villains (of the Silver Age) could be said to be out of their league. However, they've been good about giving him people to fight that are a threat physically as well; not just their plans that are harmful to the people around him.

 

[Andy C.]

Cheetah was one that never made sense to me (at least Pre-Crisis). I mean, a half-assed Catwoman wannabe is supposed to be a credible threat to a woman who can, on a good day, knock around Superman?

 

[cerealkiller182]

Now Cheetah is a good example

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Doesn't she have some magical junk that makes her stack up to Wonder Woman better now?

 

[trustyside-kick]

Well I thought the revamp made her like embued with some Cheetah spirit or something that made her powerful. I forget, that was just on the top of my head.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Whatever the power source, she is a more of a anthro-cat person

 

[fifthfiend]

I think they gave her super-speed or some junk.

It seems like DC generally kind of makes an effort to take some of these 'should not reasonably be able to compete' villains and upgrade them to a level where they actually can pose a credible threat. It'd be laudable if so much else in DC weren't so ****ed.

 

[cerealkiller182]

i thought DCs character revamps/upgrades have been really good

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I think some of them have worked and some of them have been awful.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Ben Grimm vs The Yancy Street Gang!!!


Are they a match for the Blue-Eyed Idol of Millions?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

In prank terms, hell yeah.

 

[The Question]

One I'll throw in there is Black Manta. I'm a big Aquaman fan and all...but that never made sense to me. Here you had a dude who could walk if he wanted in pressures that could crush a human, and Black Manta was his archnemesis. I think Ocean Master should be more recognized as such since he has the Magic going for him, and some Atlantean blood to make it more passable for him to deck Aquaman.

Manta is like Luthor. What makes him a threat is his brains and the resources of his organization, not his ability to swap blows with Orin.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Oh I know that. I'm just saying, in the Silver Age? Matter fact...ever since Aquaman's creation? He has had the super strength and stuff. Yet I recall seeing panels contradicing that with Manta and his men. Yea, the cover-up is easily "strength enhancing suits", but I'm just saying is all.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Manta is like Luthor. What makes him a threat is his brains and the resources of his organization, not his ability to swap blows with Orin.

Yet, like Luthor with Superman lately, he keeps trying to swap blows with Orin.