Was Thanos with the Heart literaly "God"?

[SSJ4_Mikael]

This is were we dicuss the power of the Heart.
The power source that was the power and essance of the supreme being.

Ask questions and I'll try to answer them.

 

[KAD]

This is were we dicuss the power of the Heart.
The power source that was the power and essance of the supreme being.

Ask questions and I'll try to answer them.

YES

 

[Tropico]

This again?!

 

[KAD]

This again?!

There is another thread?

 

[SSJ4_Mikael]

This again?!

This was actually a requested thread.

 

[Tropico]

There is another thread?

Yeah, man! He started a thread about this a while ago without even having read the story. He's obsessed with it. It's practically all he comes to the Marvel boards for apart from the Beyonder thread he did.

 

[CBG]

Not on for long. Lecture in about 15 minutes.

Regarding the Heart of the Infinite -- later, termed the Heart of the Universe by Thanos -- it's either viewed as absolute multiversal power or absolute universal power.

For the multiversal arguement, the two obvious ones are that Thanos possessed the power that He coveted (He is assumed to be TOAA, although it's interesting to refer the TOAA as a male) and that Thanos was bonded with omni-reality, which would translate to all realities.

However, for the universal arguement, HOTU Thanos destroyed all reality, the universe. One would think that if one was being bonded with all realities and absorb everything, the multiverse would be gone. Yet, the universe is only destroyed, as stated by Thanos in Marvel The End #1 and by Warlock in Marvel The End #6. Warlock further states that the universe was restored.

In addition, Thanos with the HOTU was the master of All That Is. Usually, All That Is translates to the multiverse. In the opening page of Marvel The End #1, Thanos said he gained mastery over All That Was. Since All That Is is now referred to in past tense, All That Is is gone. But the universe was only destroyed, as confirmed by Thanos and Warlock. Thus, All That Is must translates to a universe.

He started a thread about this a while ago without even having read the story.

You're kidding me, right?

 

[Tropico]

You're kidding me, right?

No, I'm not. If there was really a demand for this thread all SSJ4Michael had to do was revive the old one where practically all questions had been answered.

 

[SSJ4_Mikael]

No, I'm not. If there was really a demand for this thread all SSJ4Michael had to do was revive the old one where practically all questions had been answered.

I'm sorry, I couldent find one, the "search" is useless.
It's Mikael, not Michael.
Besides now we get a fresh start.

 

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Not on for long. Lecture in about 15 minutes.

Regarding the Heart of the Infinite -- later, termed the Heart of the Universe by Thanos -- it's either viewed as absolute multiversal power or absolute universal power.

For the multiversal arguement, the two obvious ones are that Thanos possessed the power that He coveted (He is assumed to be TOAA, although it's interesting to refer the TOAA as a male) and that Thanos was bonded with omni-reality, which would translate to all realities.

However, for the universal arguement, HOTU Thanos destroyed all reality, the universe. One would think that if one was being bonded with all realities and absorb everything, the multiverse would be gone. Yet, the universe is only destroyed, as stated by Thanos in Marvel The End #1 and by Warlock in Marvel The End #6. Warlock further states that the universe was restored.

In addition, Thanos with the HOTU was the master of All That Is. Usually, All That Is translates to the multiverse. In the opening page of Marvel The End #1, Thanos said he gained mastery over All That Was. Since All That Is is now referred to in past tense, All That Is is gone. But the universe was only destroyed, as confirmed by Thanos and Warlock. Thus, All That Is must translates to a universe.



You're kidding me, right?

Why didn't the Living Tribunal turn off Thanos gauntlet, even tough Eternity was begging?
- Because he only took control over one universe with the Gauntlet.
One universe is nothing to the Living Tribunal.

http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eternityaspectisallreality32ro.jpg

The Living Tribunal made so the gem's never would work as one again when Adam/Magus possessed it. -- Why?
- Because Adam/Magus was using the Gauntlet Multi-versaly, he affected all of the Multi-verse, which created a unballance.

So why did the Living Tribunal go agianst Thanos with the Heart if he just have the power of one universe? -- He twice (Cosmic Cube and Infinity Gauntlet) controlled the universe as a God, but the Living Tribunal didn't do a squat then.

Question is: Why would the Living Tribunal attack him if he only wanted one universe?

Even though the Thanos only used the gauntlet for universal purpose he actually stated that it had power over all the universes
http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=igmakesyousupremeinallrealitie.jpg


And, the Ultimate Nullifier was also Multi-versal, in fact it destroy and recreated the entire Multi-verse.
http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unismulticv0.jpg

Abraxas, the Multi-versal abstract who killed a countless amount of Galactus'.
http://img281.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0unabraxaskillsallg3ps.jpg

And he also kills every Reed Richards in every universe.
http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0unabraxaskillsallotherselves8.jpg

Reed uses the Nullifier to destroy the Multi-verse, and recreate it, and unmake the existance of Abraxas.
http://img343.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1unisusedbyreedtodestroyabraxa.jpg
http://img350.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2undestroysmultieternityinfini.jpg
http://img350.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3unremakesthemultiverse9jq.jpg

And Quasar used the Ultimate Nullifier on Magus, when possessing the incomplete Infinity Gauntlet.
http://img78.imageshack.us/my.php?image=igvsun2pi1.jpg
But the Gauntlet is so much more powerful that it removes the power of the Nullifier.

IG > I-IG >> UN >> Multi-verse

The Heart was more powerful than the Gauntlet.
http://img423.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thoumakesyousupreme1du4.jpg

But don't let that create an delusion.

Thanos with the Heart was above the Living tribunal itself.
http://img290.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ltisthetop5of.jpg
http://img469.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thanoshotu27lj.jpg

With a single thought the Living Tribunal could unmake the powers of the Infinity gauntlet.
http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lt15jn.jpg

Thanos w/ Heart >> LT >> IG > I-IG >> UN >> Multi-versal >> universal

Thanos with the Heart was one with Omni-reality.
http://img287.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thoumakesyouomniall7do.jpg

Omni - All
verse - reality

You don't put words in plural when putting Omni- in fron of them.
That's why it's Omni-verse and not Omni-verses.

But it's true, he did only destroy one universe.

However, it was later stated that he could have destroyed every universe.
http://img336.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unilook17qj.jpg
http://img280.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unilook21qc.jpg

Even the Omni-versal overseer was in Marvel the End.
And why would she be concerned if it was only a universe?

It's like when he had the IG, he could have affected the Multi-verse, like Adam/Magus did with it. But he choose to manipulate one universe.

He did the same with the Heart.

 

[GNR]

and the men who hold high places,must be the ones who start,to mold a new reality,closer to the heart

 

[Tropico]

Well, MiKael, in case you need any references to what you already wrote THIS is one of the threads. This is a variation on the theme. Another variation on the same theme. In this one you have a new fave that isn't Thanos with the Heart: The Beyonder. Don't say I never do anything for ya!

P.S.: In case people were wondering if I was lying about that writing without knowing thing.

 

[SSJ4_Mikael]

This is what we refere to when we say God.
http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=godte6.jpg

. . . Exactly the writer.
And the Heart is the wrtiers powers and essance.
The Heart does not have the authority of the writer though.

 

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Well, MiKael, in case you need any references to what you already wrote THIS is one of the threads. This is a variation on the theme. Another variation on the same theme. In this one you have a new fave that isn't Thanos with the Heart: The Beyonder. Don't say I never do anything for ya!

P.S.: In case people were wondering if I was lying about that writing without knowing thing.

Bah the moderators destroyed the beutiful topics by merging them all together.
It's like mixing: Sushi, choclate and pepsi.
They are all good but together they . . . well you get the point.

It's not that I like powerful beings. It's just that I don't like anyone else.

 

[CBG]

Why didn't the Living Tribunal turn off Thanos gauntlet, even tough Eternity was begging?
- Because he only took control over one universe with the Gauntlet.
One universe is nothing to the Living Tribunal.

Not exactly.

Spoiler

As LT stated, Thanos was committing no cosmic crime, as it stuck with the universe's oldest canon "the strong replaces the weak", where Thanos seeked to usurped Eternity's importance. That's why LT wasn't concerned about the Infinity Gauntlet.

http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?i...eality32ro.jpg

The Living Tribunal made so the gem's never would work as one again when Adam/Magus possessed it. -- Why?
- Because Adam/Magus was using the Gauntlet Multi-versaly, he affected all of the Multi-verse, which created a unballance.

When was he affecting the multiverse? If the Magus did affect the multiverse as he did, either LT or the Omniversal Guardians would notice and directly interven in Infinity War. 616 Mad Jim Jaspers was a definite omniversal threat, and he definitely had the attention of the Omniversal Guardians.

Warlock was deemed unworthy of the power of the IG, as evident in his outburst during the Tribunal.

So why did the Living Tribunal go agianst Thanos with the Heart if he just have the power of one universe? -- He twice (Cosmic Cube and Infinity Gauntlet) controlled the universe as a God, but the Living Tribunal didn't do a squat then.

Question is: Why would the Living Tribunal attack him if he only wanted one universe?

LT judged Thanos unworthy of the power, who dramatically altered the universe in his confrontation with Akenhaten, which the cosmics couldn't tolerate. Marvel The End #4 and #5.

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Even though the Thanos only used the gauntlet for universal purpose he actually stated that it had power over all the universes
http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?i...llrealitie.jpg

Curious, which issue was that from?

And, the Ultimate Nullifier was also Multi-versal, in fact it destroy and recreated the entire Multi-verse.
http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?i...ismulticv0.jpg

Abraxas, the Multi-versal abstract who killed a countless amount of Galactus'.
http://img281.imageshack.us/my.php?i...llsallg3ps.jpg

And he also kills every Reed Richards in every universe.
http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?i...herselves8.jpg

Reed uses the Nullifier to destroy the Multi-verse, and recreate it, and unmake the existance of Abraxas.
http://img343.imageshack.us/my.php?i...troyabraxa.jpg
http://img350.imageshack.us/my.php?i...nityinfini.jpg
http://img350.imageshack.us/my.php?i...tiverse9jq.jpg

Still in the process of acquiring them. I'll get back to you on that.

And Quasar used the Ultimate Nullifier on Magus, when possessing the incomplete Infinity Gauntlet.

Yes, the UN was fired.

 

[CBG]

http://img78.imageshack.us/my.php?image=igvsun2pi1.jpg
But the Gauntlet is so much more powerful that it removes the power of the Nullifier.

IG > I-IG >> UN >> Multi-verse

Which Quasar said that if he misfired, he would flush the universe down the tube. In addition, he was concentrating on the Magus when using the UN, who then turned the effect back upon its bearing. Infinity War #5.

Spoiler

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We then see Quasar in Oblivion's realm in the Quasar Infinity War tie-in issues.

The Heart was more powerful than the Gauntlet.
http://img423.imageshack.us/my.php?i...upreme1du4.jpg

But don't let that create an delusion.

Yes, I've read Marvel: The End.

Thanos with the Heart was above the Living tribunal itself.
http://img290.imageshack.us/my.php?i...sthetop5of.jpg
http://img469.imageshack.us/my.php?i...oshotu27lj.jpg

Or its M-Body.

With a single thought the Living Tribunal could unmake the powers of the Infinity gauntlet.
http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lt15jn.jpg

Thanos w/ Heart >> LT >> IG > I-IG >> UN >> Multi-versal >> universal

Thanos with the Heart was one with Omni-reality.
http://img287.imageshack.us/my.php?i...omniall7do.jpg

Omni - All
verse - reality

Yes. Thor confirms this in Marvel The End #5. Thanos usurped the power supreme over all reality.

Spoiler

Thanos himself confirms this in Marvel The End #1.

Spoiler

But, if one reads the page again.

"All reality has come to an end."

That same reality that Thanos was bonded to, and the same reality that Thor said that Thanos reigned is now destroyed.

"But I did not destroy the universe for the reasons you would assume."

All reality came to an end, but only the universe was destroyed.

"You see, I gained complete mastery over All That Was, and then. . . "

Gaining complete mastery of All That Is coincides with Thanos being bonded with omni/all reality. And All That Is translates to a multiverse, as you say.

However, Thanos used "All That Is" in past tense, indicating that All That Is is now gone -- All That Was. Yet, only a universe was destroyed.

Thus, All That Is must refer to a universe.

Yes, you have posted that Eternity is part of a bigger Eternity, who embodies the multiverse.

http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=multieternity16do.jpg

However, there's more than one Eternity, as you see, prior to the final panel showing the multiversal Eternity. Thus, in each universe there is an Eternity which embodies the universe, which are all in turn is part of a bigger Eternity, which embodies the multiverse.

Here, we see Eternity of the 616 universe. As seen in Infinity War #1, #5, and #6.

Spoiler

In Infinity War #1, we see Eternity comatose and Nova stating that Eternity is the living embodiment of all that is in the universe.

 

[CBG]

In Infinity War #5, we see Galactus use Gamora to tend to Etenity, who was all reality.

Spoiler

In Infinity War #6, we see Eternity refer to himself as "the little universe that is I." Not the multiverse being him, or the universe being a part of him. "The little universe that is I."

In the Quasar tie-in, we see Quasar referring to Eternity as 'the sentient spirit of the universe.'

You don't put words in plural when putting Omni- in fron of them.
That's why it's Omni-verse and not Omni-verses.

But it's true, he did only destroy one universe.

Which the same all/omni reality came to an end.

However, it was later stated that he could have destroyed every universe.
http://img336.imageshack.us/my.php?i...nilook17qj.jpg
http://img280.imageshack.us/my.php?i...nilook21qc.jpg

I don't see how these panels from Marvel The End #1 denotes that Thanos would have destroyed every other universe. He narrates that Atleza was able to sense the coming change that Akenhaten presented, as she is anchoring the 616 universe from the Cosmic Abyss, as well as the other universes.

Spoiler

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[CBG]

Even the Omni-versal overseer was in Marvel the End.
And why would she be concerned if it was only a universe?

Where is she seen in the splash page of #6, curious?

It's like when he had the IG, he could have affected the Multi-verse, like Adam/Magus did with it. But he choose to manipulate one universe.

He did the same with the Heart.

Yet, all/omni reality and All That Is came to an end.

In addition, Thanos says Magus with the incomplete IG had the illusion of omnipotence in Infinity War #6.

Spoiler

In addition, the merging of the realities was started by the 5 Cosmic Containment units, as the Watcher showed Thor back in Infinity War #4.

Spoiler

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[SSJ4_Mikael]

Not exactly.

Spoiler

As LT stated, Thanos was committing no cosmic crime, as it stuck with the universe's oldest canon "the strong replaces the weak", where Thanos seeked to usurped Eternity's importance. That's why LT wasn't concerned about the Infinity Gauntlet.

Yes, to be stronger than one other isn't a crime.
*Survival of the fittest*

But than again, he was the most powerful in a universe.

Magus went Multi-versal, so he had to be the most powerful in the Multi-verse to survive, that's why Living Tribunal tunred his IG off.

When was he affecting the multiverse? If the Magus did affect the multiverse as he did, either LT or the Omniversal Guardians would notice and directly interven in Infinity War. 616 Mad Jim Jaspers was a definite omniversal threat, and he definitely had the attention of the Omniversal Guardians.

From where? many realities away:
http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magusmanyrealitiesaway2ai8.jpg

Many realties away . . .
http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magusfaraway4qk.jpg

Galactus and others traveling . . . In a time an space that is neither.
http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1gfindingmagusva4.jpg

Where do they end up? - "In a reality many steps removed from our own".
http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2gfindingmagusem4.jpg

Silver Surfer: "We must return to our reality.
http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3gfindingmagusnk2.jpg

Adam get's kidnapped in Magus reality/universe.
http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=awin616getstakenawaygs2.jpg

Magus remakes the 616-universe in his image from universes away.
http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=myw4.jpg

Adam restores the 616-universe from many universes away.
http://img79.imageshack.us/my.php?image=igremakesverse8li.jpg

So basicly: He can affect universes that he isn't in.

Warlock was deemed unworthy of the power of the IG, as evident in his outburst during the Tribunal.

He was unworthy of treating the Multi-verse as he did.

LT judged Thanos unworthy of the power, who dramatically altered the universe in his confrontation with Akenhaten, which the cosmics couldn't tolerate. Marvel The End #4 and #5.

Exactly, but even the Tribunal "Top of the food-chain" coudlent even judge him.

Yes, the UN was fired.

The point was, the energies of the Incomplete Gauntlet (Reality-gem don't work) was more than the energies of the Nullifier.
So it was more powerful.

 

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Which Quasar said that if he misfired, he would flush the universe down the tube. In addition, he was concentrating on the Magus when using the UN, who then turned the effect back upon its bearing. Infinity War #5.

Spoiler

Spoiler

Spoiler

Spoiler

We then see Quasar in Oblivion's realm in the Quasar Infinity War tie-in issues.

You see . . . The wielder of the Gauntlet controls all the energies.
If the Living Tribunal allowes it.

Or its M-Body.

Funny how an universal manifastation body could so easiley get rid of an Multi-versal powersource.

Unviversal Livingtribunal M-body >> IG > I-IG >> UN >> Multi-verse.

Besides if the Tribunal still lived* don't you think he would create more and more M-body's til the work was done?
He's not the one that lets deemed persons walks away unpunished.

Abstract mean's that you can't notie it with the five senses given to a human.
So if the abstract L. Tribunal was there you wouldent notice it anyways.

Yes. Thor confirms this in Marvel The End #5. Thanos usurped the power supreme over all reality.

Spoiler

Thanos himself confirms this in Marvel The End #1.

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Again, if he was Omni-versal wouldent he have the supreme control of every reality?

Thanos only used the *Multiversal Infinity gauntlet for universal purpose.
Why would he use the *Multiversal Heart for a Multi-versal purpose than?

But, if one reads the page again.

"All reality has come to an end."

Yes he just ended one reality.

That same reality that Thanos was bonded to, and the same reality that Thor said that Thanos reigned is now destroyed.

All reality for the Infinity Gauntlet that was Multi-versal was even by Thanos stated to mean all universes*.

"But I did not destroy the universe for the reasons you would assume."

All reality came to an end, but only the universe was destroyed.

"You see, I gained complete mastery over All That Was, and then. . . "

There's a differance between "all that was" and "all that is"
Eternity is "all that is"
http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eternityaspectisallreality32ro.jpg
http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eternityaspectisall41qn.jpg

Gaining complete mastery of All That Is coincides with Thanos being bonded with omni/all reality. And All That Is translates to a multiverse, as you say.

Omni-reality
Omni-verse

Uni = one
Multi = more than one
Omni = all
Verse = reality

You don't say: Omni-verses/realties -- Multi-verses/realties.
You say: Omni-verse/reality -- Multi-verse/reality

However, Thanos used "All That Is" in past tense, indicating that All That Is is now gone -- All That Was. Yet, only a universe was destroyed.

Thus, All That Is must refer to a universe.

All that was, in past tense.
Each time-line is a universe.
That's why the Marvel universes (616, Ukltimate ect.) have the same characters.

Yes, you have posted that Eternity is part of a bigger Eternity, who embodies the multiverse.

http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=multieternity16do.jpg

However, there's more than one Eternity, as you see, prior to the final panel showing the multiversal Eternity. Thus, in each universe there is an Eternity which embodies the universe, which are all in turn is part of a bigger Eternity, which embodies the multiverse.

The Multi-Eternity is the sum of the Multi-verse as every Eternity is the sum of one Universe.

Each Eternity is a m-body of he Multi-Eternity.

Here, we see Eternity of the 616 universe. As seen in Infinity War #1, #5, and #6.

Spoiler

In Infinity War #1, we see Eternity comatose and Nova stating that Eternity is the living embodiment of all that is in the universe.

Exactly what I explained.

 

[SSJ4_Mikael]

In Infinity War #5, we see Galactus use Gamora to tend to Etenity, who was all reality.

Spoiler

In Infinity War #6, we see Eternity refer to himself as "the little universe that is I." Not the multiverse being him, or the universe being a part of him. "The little universe that is I."

Reality - not all reality -- Read again.

In the Quasar tie-in, we see Quasar referring to Eternity as 'the sentient spirit of the universe.'

Of "the" universe.

Which the same all/omni reality came to an end.

Again you can't put a waord in plural when putting Omni- in front of it.

I don't see how these panels from Marvel The End #1 denotes that Thanos would have destroyed every other universe. He narrates that Atleza was able to sense the coming change that Akenhaten presented, as she is anchoring the 616 universe from the Cosmic Abyss, as well as the other universes.

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He explains that each of these ball's are universes.
The bigger universes, represents Multi-verses.
The smaller represents single-universes, that is not a part of a Multiverse.
The green ball's are cube-universes, such as Franklin created when he was 5 years old.

 

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Where is she seen in the splash page of #6, curious?



Yet, all/omni reality and All That Is came to an end.

In addition, Thanos says Magus with the incomplete IG had the illusion of omnipotence in Infinity War #6.

Spoiler

Why did he had an illusion? -- Read again.
Thanos couldent use the Gauntlet to it's fullest once because Adam had control over the soul gem. (Remember Thanos turning into stone)
And Adam taking the Gauntlet.

Who is the master of the reality gem? - Thanos is.
He let Adam think that he had control over that gem as well.
But the reality gem is a unision with Thanos.

In addition, the merging of the realities was started by the 5 Cosmic Containment units, as the Watcher showed Thor back in Infinity War #4.

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Now how can you merge realities if you're not Multi-versal?

 

[Harlekin]

Dude, nobody, and I do mean nobody but you actually cares. Now can you please stop *********ing over Marvel: The End and go on with your life?

 

[Majin Boo]

this has to be the most nerdy thread ever.

 

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Dude, nobody, and I do mean nobody but you actually cares. Now can you please stop *********ing over Marvel: The End and go on with your life?

CBG does . . .