I Am The Knight
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Jackie Earle Haley:
Jeffrey Dean Morgan:CS/SHH!: When we spotted you in the jail cell you were lifting weights, those things were incredibly heavy. You've been training for a while for this film.
Jackie Earle Haley: Once Zack chose me and I can't tell you how thrilled I am about that. I realized I needed to start gaining some weights and start lifting. I started on my own with my crew and my buddy Jason Clay, I was training with him. We were doing some isolated stuff and then my karate crew, we worked out together on that. When I got here, I started working with Clay who was also our still photographer. I actually started to learn a lot of great stuff about working out and eating. And a lot of it has to do with zone dietish type stuff. I discovered I was eating wrong. Way too many carbs and not enough protein. The concept of low fat doesn't work well. And this program we're working on is incredible because these guys know how to get a full workout in less than 30 minutes. I really discovered it's high impact, you're getting cardio and everything and you're getting core training which amazed me. When I got here, I thought these guys would be all about getting the arms big. They were not worried about it, that would take care of itself. I love talking about it, I'm obsessed right now.
CS/SHH!: How are you dividing the character between Rorschach when he was on the kidnapping case and the '85 Rorschach?
Haley: How he was in the book. Not sure how to answer that. Except I think it's only Rorschach and there is not Walter Kovacs. I think that everything conspired to make it that way. This guy never had a chance. He's just one messed up individual. Every bit of vigilante work that he does is the inner child striking out. Smacking his mom in the face every time. I think some kids can grow up in an environment like that and survive it and be a normal, adjusted person to a degree. Function in society. And some people get a bit more twisted by it. Little Walter Kovacs didn't stand much of a chance. I think as he started to grow older, there are those examples of gray, complexity, justification, started to amount to a point where it's all just a bunch of bull*****. There's right and there's wrong. Mom needed to raise her kid. She needed to do certain things so she could make money. So she could feed this child and bring him up. But in so doing she's resentful of him forcing him to have this responsibility. Mom's justification is "Life is complex, Walter. Sure, I did some things but they justify what I was like." This justification f**ked his life totally. And he recognizes that. The reason to justify the behavior is the gray.
CS/SHH!: Can you talk about emoting beneath the mask?
Haley: We're doing a little bit of everything. It depends on what's going on with the camera, how far away it is. Sometimes I'm wearing the mask with tracking dots and my eyes are exposed. Sometimes I'm wearing a full Rorschach that's fixed. Sometimes it's dark, I can see all of you but it's like throwing a neutral density filter up. This is an interesting aspect of the character. As an actor... a vast majority of my role is wearing a sock over my head. That's different. When you look at it externally, there's Jackie looking back at this character in the movie, I've got a sock on my head. But when I look at it from the character's standpoint, it's this cool empowering character-discovering process. I do find when I'm with the makeup and hair people and wardrobe design, when you're going through that process, it's incredible way of finding out about the character. It was neat watching Rorschach get built. At one point I had this whole helmet on my head and that wasn't working out. But when all was said and done, we kept tweaking and dialing it in, one night I was doing the cemetery scenes, it's cold. We're here and it's raining in Vancouver, but they've got these rain machines making big drops. There's a shot where I'm walking up to the grave and there's this huge light behind me. I was casting this perfect shadow on the ground and I just went, "Wow, jeez..." It was like I was in the cartoon, I was in the comic book and the lines were just so perfect. That was pretty empowering when that starts to come together. My mind is able to get deeper into the guy. It's like walking onto a set like this, the world starts to come around you. This whole red head thing... it's a transformation too.
CS/SHH!: How familiar were you with the source material?
Haley: I've never been a huge comic book fan. Growing up, a lot of my friends were just really into comics and for some reason, I just discovered reading a lot later, when I was 15. I just started reading novels, I do recall seeing the characters, so I had heard about it. I recall three or four years ago I read people were suggesting me for this role. I think I flipped through a comic book, not the graphic novel. As this became a reality, I really dove into it. And I now want to read more graphic novels. Because you read this on a first pass and you're like, "Wow this is really good." Then you get into the depth on the second pass. At a certain point, I had to let it go so I could just focus on the Rorschach stuff. Because the book is so full of amazing depth and symbolism. All of that stuff you read just ties together.
CS/SHH!: Rorschach is the most popular character in the book, why do people take to him so much? Is it his complexity?
Haley: I don't know. I think maybe it gets back to what I was saying before. We all know we live in this complex world, but it'd be neat if things were a lot more simple. A lot of times, too, the complexity is in the eye of the beholder. Other people who have a third party perspective, it's a lot more simple. I don't know.
CS/SHH!: What's it like working with Patrick again?
Haley: Awesome. As a matter of fact, we were doing our first scene together and it was in Veidt's place where we get there and are looking around. There I am in my sock and there he is in his goggles and I said, "Who would've guessed this ***** about two years ago?" He started laughing. Hey in two years time we're going to be standing here in these outfits!
Matthew Goode:CS/SHH!: How do you play a character like The Comedian in a forty-year span?
Jeffrey Dean Morgan: My first week of filming is the opening of the movie, The Comedian's death scene. Although The Comedian doesn't die. We're re-writing the script, he doesn't die... just kidding. [laughs] In that makeup, though it was five or six hours every day. So my first day of work started at 2:30 in the morning to be on set at 9am. I'm more worried about being the 19-year-old. That'll be a tougher makeup. But it'll look great, it's phenomenal.
CS/SHH!: Can you talk about that fight sequence at the beginning? We heard it'll be extended for the film.
Morgan: We shot it for a week and it's extensive. I came up here to Vancouver two months before we started shooting just to do choreography for that fight. It's cool, I'll tell you that. It's a lot more than what's in the comic book, obviously. With no reveal of who is throwing The Comedian out the window but in the way Zack shot it, it's something to see. I just saw portions of it and it's good. It's a helluva way to open up a movie.
CS/SHH!: You knew of the graphic novel before the gig, then?
Morgan: I knew of it and read parts of it. I didn't read the whole thing. When I went in to meet Zack I read it and I've now read the thing 20 times. My dad is a huge fan and he's read the thing 300 times. When I had questions about anything, I'd call him up and he'd give me what's happening. You guys know it, every time you read it there's something new that catches your eye. It's an amazing piece of work. I go online - and I've never done this before when I'm involved in a project - the way people talk about this, it literally is the holy grail of graphic novels and people are so concerned about what Zack is doing with the movie. I will say this, the fans are not going to be disappointed. We're not going to make Alan Moore look bad, or his brilliant piece of work. It's going to be a helluva movie, the scope of it. It's just huge. The detail is insane and Zack is a mad scientist, it's going to be something to behold.
CS/SHH!: Talk about your approach to The Comedian - he's incredibly multi-layered.
Morgan: On first glance, he's just a really unlikable guy, but at the end you don't hate him. So the tricky part for me, and I'm finding this to be a work in progress, the nuances and how to make him not sympathetic...you don't hate The Comedian, even when he shoots the pregnant woman from Vietnam in the face, you might go [laughs], "That's a bit too much Mr. Comedian." But at the same time, you don't ever end up hating him. So it's a fine line and we have to find our way. At first glance, I thought this guy was horrible. No morals whatsoever. But at the same time, he's a superhero and he's out there trying to do good. So we're just trying to find another layer that I didn't think of the day before. When all is said and done you won't hate him. I find him to be the most interesting character.
CS/SHH!: Seeing yourself in the costume for the first time, how did that change your feeling about the role?
Morgan: You're ready to kick someone's ass. I've been doing costume fittings for about three months. Yesterday we did it all for real, we did a camera test and I'll tell you, when you see it, it's the comic book coming to life. Mind you, on top of the makeup I have to do, getting into costume takes three and a half hours. But it's something. The first time I saw myself in the mirror I got the giggles. There's no resemblance to me whatsoever, I'm Edward Blake. It's really exciting and it's going to be fun seeing everyone in their [costumes].
CS/SHH!: Is it a challenge to come in to work and bounce around different time periods of The Comedian's life?
Morgan: Of course it is, but what helps a lot is the makeup process. It helps in finding my way. When I can look in the mirror and see where my sideburns are and how many wrinkles I have. I'll put some music on my iPod from 1960 and start feeling that vibe. They're so good in each department that by the time I walk on set, I'm feeling whatever I need to be. I'm there. Believe me, when I do 69, I'm feeling like I'm 69. That was a long first week and I felt every ache in my body.
CS/SHH!: The Comedian is killed because he stumbles onto the plan, but who's side are you on in this story?
Morgan: Well, being The Comedian, I'm going to go with his side. In any character you do, especially something like this, if you're going to do this and you're going to do it right, I'm fighting for The Comedian every step of the way. There's not even a question, Adrian is a scumbag, not Blake. That's how I approach it. I can't see both sides. I have to be The Comedian. And I am at this point, I don't like Matthew Goode at all. [laughs]
CS/SHH!: What's your reaction like being a toy?
Morgan: Again, you have to go to the scope. It's so amazing. Who ever thinks they're going to be a toy? I don't know, I haven't seen one yet. But when I do I'll probably get the giggles and get excited and sleep with the damn thing. The possibilities with this, the toys, the video games... it's just huge. I've never been near anything this big. The passion people have for this thing, I've never seen anything like it. We're staying so true to this, I can hardly wait for people to see it.
CS/SHH!: Well, that said, knowing the following, it has to be intimidating for you to know a lot is being put on your shoulders.
Morgan: Yeah, coming in, when I originally got the role, I had no idea how big and important it is for so many people. When we get closer to the countdown... right now we're involved in the making of it so we're blocking out as much as we can. I'm ashamed of myself for even looking at the internet because it freaks me out a little bit. This is a year and a half before the movie even comes out. People are ripping us apart. So I don't know if I should got on the internet anymore. But it is a little intimidating because you want everyone to be happy. I know in my gut people are going to be exceedingly happy, so you shouldn't have any doubts. All I can say is no one will be disappointed. The Comedian is not intimidated, but Jeffrey Dean Morgan is.
CS/SHH!: Of the stuff you have not shot yet, what are you looking forward to doing the most.
Morgan: I'm really looking forward to Vietnam. And also the Watchmen headquarters stuff because everyone will be there too. There are very few scenes in this movie where we're all together and that's one of the few scenes where we can all bounce off each other. These are such great, generous actors with the exception of me. We're all on different schedules so we're like ships in the night, I'm looking forward to those days.
CS/SHH!: That ship in the night aspect must give you something great to play with as you are sort of the outsider.
Morgan: Yeah, I like it. And that's actually not bad for me to not hang around with everyone because, as much as I like everyone, as an actor there is a certain dynamic. If I'm not hanging around with these guys 24/7 it will bring something to the set. I don't want to be friendly with anybody over the course of these scenes. The Comedian is not very friendly to anybody except maybe Laurie. We haven't spent much time together except maybe at the beginning. We had dinner a lot when we were training. But I think we're all excited to see one another in costume. It's going to be cool though.
CS/SHH!: In the comic book Ozymandias has one of the more interesting costumes...
Matthew Goode: I know, slightly worrying. I remember when they told me [I got the role] and remembering, "Excellent!" Then I read the book and went, "Oh my God, I'm in a pair of pants." Luckily, they're slightly cooler. When I first went to L.A., I was in after Patrick [Wilson] and felt pretty good because he was like, "Dude, it's f**kin' awesome." He looks sort of Batman-y. I'm in more of a suit than just pants. I wouldn't have the legs for it. It would ruin the whole effect, my skinny, pasty English legs.
CS/SHH!: Were you familiar with the comic book prior to getting the role?
Goode: I wasn't. I met someone who is involved in the cartoon "The Incredibles" and I knew that was loosely based upon the novel here. I wasn't really into that area of comics and graphic novels, so it was all new to me, but I know it's apparently the best graphic novel ever written according to Time magazine. So when I did finally get around to reading it, it was so much more complicated and adult and intelligent than I expected. So when it came time to make the decision to do this I was like, "F**k me, I'm in."
CS/SHH!: What was the most striking thing about the book for you?
Goode: What was interesting, me and my friends just discussed the politics and apathy, and if we were attacked by another planet or an outside force, then surely everything would have to come together, so I thought that was a really interesting concept. And, obviously, with energy issues we have now... it's incredibly relevant and I feel very proud it was written by a Brit. [laughs] So, I think all of those things jump out particularly quickly. The idea that you can have a lot of fun.
CS/SHH!: How do you walk that line between the serious moments in this film and the possible camp that could come through?
Goode: With difficulty. What's funny on this job, I came right from "Brideshead Revisited" which you can't really get any more different. It's the same as anything. You learn your lines, you have a chat with Zack and the movie is bigger than any one particular actor or character. I'm dealing with it as I go along. On the first day I'm standing there in a bright purple jacket and blonde hair. I've got women who work for me in my office that are wearing very little. There are 200 people standing around... it's work, really. God knows what it looks like, but this is Zack. I know when he was making "300" people were watching the rushes wondering, "What the f**k is this guy doing?" He's a bit of a visionary and he's got so much energy - in Zack we trust.
CS/SHH!: What's your take on Adrian's part in this story? Is he wrong? Right? What's his angle for you?
Goode: There is the big question of morality and you've seen it before in films like "Saving Private Ryan" where you are saving the one with the possibility of more dying. And here it's saving the world... as a ratio compared to the rest of the world, to put it in that perspective it does seem like a good equation, obviously it's a horrific thing to do. The thing is, it's a line of insanity. Is it crystal clear? I'm doing it this way and I couldn't give a ***** what you think. His eating a bowl of hash and being in love with Alexander the Great, is he metrosexual? All of that rubbish - at the end of the day, I don't want Adrian to be maniacal in the slightest. Then again, we've still got a ton to shoot, so Zack might come back to me and say, "He's crazy!" I think I want him to be as human as possible. As clear cut and a bit remorseful for what he's done, but we'll play it a few different ways and see.
CS/SHH!: Adrian is not in the book a whole lot, but he's always present so is there a bulking up of your character scene-wise in the film?
Goode: That's sort of my worry is that you'll get stuck with a lot of exposition and that's fine but in the book when he's talking to his Vietnamese work group, it's suddenly that four or five pages of [talk]. That's worrying to do because, how the f**k am I going to do that without boring myself to death and making it interesting? So that's been broken up, as you obviously have to do with any adaptation to make it interesting. There hasn't been a "bulking up" but there's been sequencing changes that have been done well.
CS/SHH!: Do you ever play Adrian at your own age?
Goode: That's one of the things, he's meant to be in his 40s. There's a bit with the Watchmen in the '70s - that's about my age. But he's meant to be a fine specimen of a man. [laughs] So you have to suspend your disbelief. It's meant to be he's a walking advert for Oil of Olay. There hasnt' been too much prosthetic work. Poor Jeffrey [Dean Morgan], he's gone through the gamut of sitting through the makeup for several hours. He goes from 20 to 67 and, I'll tell you, you're going to love the opening of the movie. ***** the bed, he gets the crap beaten out of him. Thrown across the room, busting through tables. The less I'm involved in swinging the punches the better.
CS/SHH!: All of the characters have a past with one another so have you been hanging out with your co-stars?
Goode: Certainly not before the project and often times, because of the long schedule and the sequence and filming, we're not all here at the same time. But when we are, beers have to be drunk so we do go out and have fun together. You want to be as friendly with the rest of the cast as you can be. We have a laugh.
CS/SHH!: Do you look forward to being an action figure?
Goode: It's slightly embarrassing. There's an action figure in one of the shots, I've been staring at myself. I have to say, it's incredibly life-like. It's enjoyable and something I'd probably put in the *****ter at home. [laughs] Something people can see when they come out to the house and say, "God, you're an *sshole."