WB Superman Reboot 3.0: Christopher Nolan Edition

[Immortalfire]

Exactly my opinion, no Superman movie has ever ended with so much potential

What potential? Adventures of Superbaby? No thanks.

 

[resentment]

As much as I loved SR, I would have been twice as excited for a reboot. I'm sure the general public would have been as well. From what I hear from women about Brandon is that his looks aren't too Super, and we all know sex sells(I thought he was great btw). Fact is, they could've focused on all the wrong things for a Superman movie, and made TONS more cash as long as it was glossy and attractive to the public. But SR was so story driven and emotional, and it didn't pack that "punch" that the "average" movie-goer was wanting. I'm keeping a positive outlook on it, because in my life, I will get to see Singer wrap up his most likely 3 installments, then many years later, I will get to see a "reboot", because Singer's story will most likely take us so far into the future of Superman that there will most likely be no room for a sequel for the next director that comes along. It will most likely be well known years from now that a reboot needs to consist of a cast full of Abercrombie and Fitch models with bulging biceps and pectoral muscles and perfect playboy bodies along with too much action to handle, will sell the tickets. Death and sex; it sells. Honestly, look at the trailers for the new season of Smallville coming up....

 

[i-n-z-a-n-e]

I would want them to restart it, but i don't mind a sequel. Just hope Bryan Singer can show us the stuff that he is more capable of doing.

 

[myway]

Ok, I understand that not everyone loved SR; for the record I did, but that's beside the point. The biggest criticism that SR gets, which I can see to an extent is that it didn't show us anything new in terms of villains, action sequences, etc.. It seems to me that if you want something new, continue the series where it is right now. Singer has repeatedly said that his plans for the sequel are a more action packed movie (prob w/ Braniac). The one thing I think that we could all do without is another Superman origin story. The reason Batman Begins worked was because the old Batman movies never really showed his origin, plus they'd gone through all the villains already. With Superman, this all stems back to S:TM. We already got a great origin in that movie. Then we got SII, take or leave 3 and 4, and now w/ Returns out, we can finally get to see something new in a Superman movie. If everybody doesn't stop making all this noise on the net about wanting a reboot then we're gonna be right back at square one.

 

[patrickbateman]

The way I see it we superman fans got our 'batman forever' with SR and now with singer’s sequel we’re going to get our rendition of 'batman and robin' which will finally put the nail to the superman franchise. Then in the year 2020 someone from this very SHH board will rise and Nolanise Superman

 

[patrickbateman]

the World Needs a Superman Reboot coz its bigger than the donnerverse and singer verse combined

 

[X-Maniac]

Ok, I understand that not everyone loved SR; for the record I did, but that's beside the point. The biggest criticism that SR gets, which I can see to an extent is that it didn't show us anything new in terms of villains, action sequences, etc..

No new villains was one problem, the action was fine although I'd have liked to see Superman put up more of a fight against Lex's thugs, something a bit more physical that made him less of a victim.

But those aren't the biggest criticisms people have. It's the flawed vague history and the odd characterisations that make this a flawed attempt at Superman.

It seems to me that if you want something new, continue the series where it is right now.

Something new can also mean...something new! How is a continuation 'something new'?

Singer has repeatedly said that his plans for the sequel are a more action packed movie (prob w/ Braniac).

Why should we write off the first movie, costing at least $204m, as a reintroduction, a teaser, a taster? Singer had a chance for something new and dynamic to grab people's attention. SR was supposed to revive the franchise, not be a low-key scene-setter. Movies that are gentle reintroductions aren't given $200m budgets.

The one thing I think that we could all do without is another Superman origin story.

We don't need a repeat of the origin as seen in STM, but maybe a deeper origin story that ties into a Kryptonian villain. That would work. Start the story back in the earlier days of Krypton perhaps, establish a more sci-fi infrastructure that makes bigger, scarier villains more feasible.

The reason Batman Begins worked was because the old Batman movies never really showed his origin

The 1989 Batman movie showed an origin that was tied to Joker being the killer of Bruce's parents. So we did see a Batman origin.

... plus they'd gone through all the villains already.

Not true, we hadn't seen all of Batman's villains at all. Here's the wikipedia iist of Batvillains: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_villains

As you can see, we'd hardly seen any of them.

Batman Begins was great for showing us some of the villains we hadn't already seen; that was a great advantage though perhaps it made it less of a cinematic draw to the mainstream public.

With Superman, this all stems back to S:TM. We already got a great origin in that movie. Then we got SII, take or leave 3 and 4, and now w/ Returns out, we can finally get to see something new in a Superman movie. If everybody doesn't stop making all this noise on the net about wanting a reboot then we're gonna be right back at square one.

A total reboot could be troublesome and take ages. A Singer/Routh sequel could also be a risk if it didn't work before in getting widespread acclaim and commercial success. How do you move forward easily from SR? Lois is with Richard, Jason is with them, the Fortress is violated and its location known and the crystals linking Superman to Jor-El are gone. Superman may as well go back to Smallville and move back in with mommy. He can't be with Lois, he can't really start interfering in her life to raise Jason, he can't talk to Jor-El, he can't go to his fortress and find peace and answers.

 

[mego joe]

No new villains was one problem, the action was fine although I'd have liked to see Superman put up more of a fight against Lex's thugs, something a bit more physical that made him less of a victim.

But those aren't the biggest criticisms people have. It's the flawed vague history and the odd characterisations that make this a flawed attempt at Superman.



Something new can also mean...something new! How is a continuation 'something new'?



Why should we write off the first movie, costing at least $204m, as a reintroduction, a teaser, a taster? Singer had a chance for something new and dynamic to grab people's attention. SR was supposed to revive the franchise, not be a low-key scene-setter. Movies that are gentle reintroductions aren't given $200m budgets.



We don't need a repeat of the origin as seen in STM, but maybe a deeper origin story that ties into a Kryptonian villain. That would work. Start the story back in the earlier days of Krypton perhaps, establish a more sci-fi infrastructure that makes bigger, scarier villains more feasible.




The 1989 Batman movie showed an origin that was tied to Joker being the killer of Bruce's parents. So we did see a Batman origin.



Not true, we hadn't seen all of Batman's villains at all. Here's the wikipedia iist of Batvillains: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_villains

As you can see, we'd hardly seen any of them.

Batman Begins was great for showing us some of the villains we hadn't already seen; that was a great advantage though perhaps it made it less of a cinematic draw to the mainstream public.



A total reboot could be troublesome and take ages. A Singer/Routh sequel could also be a risk if it didn't work before in getting widespread acclaim and commercial success. How do you move forward easily from SR? Lois is with Richard, Jason is with them, the Fortress is violated and its location known and the crystals linking Superman to Jor-El are gone. Superman may as well go back to Smallville and move back in with mommy. He can't be with Lois, he can't really start interfering in her life to raise Jason, he can't talk to Jor-El, he can't go to his fortress and find peace and answers.

As usual X-man, another great post. I am definitely on board for the reboot option. Especially b/c of the bolded part above.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

A total reboot could be troublesome and take ages. A Singer/Routh sequel could also be a risk if it didn't work before in getting widespread acclaim and commercial success. How do you move forward easily from SR? Lois is with Richard, Jason is with them, the Fortress is violated and its location known and the crystals linking Superman to Jor-El are gone. Superman may as well go back to Smallville and move back in with mommy. He can't be with Lois, he can't really start interfering in her life to raise Jason, he can't talk to Jor-El, he can't go to his fortress and find peace and answers.

But thats the beauty with SR. I mean seriously what comic arc is SR most like? Superman: For Tomorrow!!! I mean everything I have in bold happened in For Tomorrow even down to Superman's feelings for Lois after everything happened (see the follow up issue to For Tomorrow for that). The only difference between For Tomorrow and SR is that Superman and Lois are not married and have a kid. Lois can still end up with Superman/Clark Kent thats not the problem. The story really wasn't to much of the problem. The problem is right now Superman in general is a hit or miss. Now these days people like a hero with faults and is or can be dark which is why you see the success in Batman, Spider-Man or even the X-men. Superman is to perfect for people now these days and thats just the problem.

 

[Super Kal]

one thing that Superman: For Tomorrow is and SR is not is that For Tomorrow vibrant and colorful...

reboot is the only way to go, because with the SR style, IMO, it will not be successful

 

[mego joe]

But thats the beauty with SR. I mean seriously what comic arc is SR most like? Superman: For Tomorrow!!! I mean everything I have in bold happened in For Tomorrow even down to Superman's feelings for Lois after everything happened (see the follow up issue to For Tomorrow for that).

Lois is not with Richard and there is no Jason.

There were no crystals in the Superman comics at the time For TOmorrow came out.

At the end of the arc Superman and Lois ARE together. And there is no impediment. Jason and Richard are a huge impediment to Superman and Lois being together.

The only difference between For Tomorrow and SR is that Superman and Lois are not married and have a kid. Lois can still end up with Superman/Clark Kent thats not the problem. The story really wasn't to much of the problem. The problem is right now Superman in general is a hit or miss. Now these days people like a hero with faults and is or can be dark which is why you see the success in Batman, Spider-Man or even the X-men. Superman is to perfect for people now these days and thats just the problem.

To me For Tomorrow and SR are nothing alike. In For Tomorrow he is trying to find a way to save Earth, should a cataclysm like that which destroyed Krypton strike Earth. In SR he abandons Earth without so much as a word.

In For TOmorrow, his invention is expoloited by the villain which causes the problem- in SR HE is the problem.

In For Tomorrow, he and Lois have a mature adult relationship in which she is his anchor and his emotional compass. In SR, he cares more about his own feelings than Lois's feelings.

In SR he risks everything to rescue Lois, in SR he turns his back on Lois and abandons her w/o so much as a goodbye.

SR and For Tomorrow have nothing of substance in common.

However, For Tomorrow would have made a great film I believe.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Ok, I understand that not everyone loved SR; for the record I did, but that's beside the point. The biggest criticism that SR gets, which I can see to an extent is that it didn't show us anything new in terms of villains, action sequences, etc.. It seems to me that if you want something new, continue the series where it is right now. Singer has repeatedly said that his plans for the sequel are a more action packed movie (prob w/ Braniac). The one thing I think that we could all do without is another Superman origin story. The reason Batman Begins worked was because the old Batman movies never really showed his origin, plus they'd gone through all the villains already. With Superman, this all stems back to S:TM. We already got a great origin in that movie. Then we got SII, take or leave 3 and 4, and now w/ Returns out, we can finally get to see something new in a Superman movie. If everybody doesn't stop making all this noise on the net about wanting a reboot then we're gonna be right back at square one.

Spot on, TOTALLY agree, SR was a superb movie, and i can only see a sequel being even better. If Bryan and Brandon get the chance, i know they wont dissapoint. If WB decide to re-bbot, judging by the direction they took with JL, we will get a TERRIBLE re-boot that will be an X3/FF type piece of garbage thats about 90 mins long.

Stick with Singer WB, you know it makes sense.

But thats the beauty with SR. I mean seriously what comic arc is SR most like? Superman: For Tomorrow!!! I mean everything I have in bold happened in For Tomorrow even down to Superman's feelings for Lois after everything happened (see the follow up issue to For Tomorrow for that). The only difference between For Tomorrow and SR is that Superman and Lois are not married and have a kid. Lois can still end up with Superman/Clark Kent thats not the problem. The story really wasn't to much of the problem. The problem is right now Superman in general is a hit or miss. Now these days people like a hero with faults and is or can be dark which is why you see the success in Batman, Spider-Man or even the X-men. Superman is to perfect for people now these days and thats just the problem.

Well said, i have made this observation a few times before, SR is a LOT like FT, which IMO was a great Superman story. And of course, SR is a great Superman film.

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Ok

TWO POINTS


1. Half the fans don't like SR
2. Half the fans don't like SV


With that being said a reboot would fit in nicely and imo an origin story would setup the next generation of fans as well as reinvigorate us older fans of the character.

Imo the world DOES need a reboot.

However it is also my opinion that SR was good enough to garner a sequel if done correctly with better pacing, characterization, and villain for Supes (action).

I would take either one next but the reboot/origin movie needs addressed at some point.

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

P.S.



I would venture to say if Brandon Routh wasn't in SR, I don't know that I would be as willing for the sequel. I may be one of the fans demanding reboot immediately

 

[VenomsMom]

Ok, I understand that not everyone loved SR; for the record I did, but that's beside the point. The biggest criticism that SR gets, which I can see to an extent is that it didn't show us anything new in terms of villains, action sequences, etc.. It seems to me that if you want something new, continue the series where it is right now. Singer has repeatedly said that his plans for the sequel are a more action packed movie (prob w/ Braniac). The one thing I think that we could all do without is another Superman origin story. The reason Batman Begins worked was because the old Batman movies never really showed his origin, plus they'd gone through all the villains already. With Superman, this all stems back to S:TM. We already got a great origin in that movie. Then we got SII, take or leave 3 and 4, and now w/ Returns out, we can finally get to see something new in a Superman movie. If everybody doesn't stop making all this noise on the net about wanting a reboot then we're gonna be right back at square one.

You are probably correct. I can some what agree with the world not needing a Superman reboot now simply because of the difficulty of doing so. The world needed a reboot a few years ago instead of a vague sequel to a movie of years past. It was time to restart a new Superman francise for a new millenium with no continuing story from the Donner films. And many of us are not hung up on a lack of exploding action and battles with a superior villain who could match Supes. It was the STORY that did not sit well with many people and the introduction of certain characters that weigh the entire plot down. These were the problems that sore above all the rest as far as I was concerned. There was really nothing fresh or new with SR that had not been seen before unless you never saw the Donner films. Some people like this movie and some people don't. Its different strokes for different folks. Therefore a continuation of this story is something of no interest to some people on these boards. Singer can go all wrath of khan on it introducing all kinds of supervillains and it would not change a damn thing. Its a story that has to be resolved and issues and characters introduced that simply can not be ignored. So...in essence the world does not need a reboot. The task of pulling that off would be immense especially for WB. So...I somewhat agree.

 

[mego joe]

You are probably correct. I can some what agree with the world not needing a Superman reboot now simply because of the difficulty of doing so. The world needed a reboot a few years ago instead of a vague sequel to a movie of years past. It was time to restart a new Superman francise for a new millenium with no continuing story from the Donner films. And many of us are not hung up on a lack of exploding action and battles with a superior villain who could match Supes. It was the STORY that did not sit well with many people and the introduction of certain characters that weigh the entire plot down. These were the problems that sore above all the rest as far as I was concerned. There was really nothing fresh or new with SR that had not been seen before unless you never saw the Donner films. Some people like this movie and some people don't. Its different strokes for different folks. Therefore a continuation of this story is something of no interest to some people on these boards. Singer can go all wrath of khan on it introducing all kinds of supervillains and it would not change a damn thing. Its a story that has to be resolved and issues and characters introduced that simply can not be ignored. So...in essence the world does not need a reboot. The task of pulling that off would be immense especially for WB. So...I somewhat agree.

However, If I recall correctly, you aren't going to see a sequel either though?

 

[DavidTyler]

Again.... I really want a reboot. I don't want Donner's Krypton. I don't want the friggin Jason subplot. I don't want Singer's dismal visuals which are more suited to his early work such as Apt Pupil and The X-men. I don't want that lousy costume. and I don't like Singer's aping Donner's take on the characters.

We need a reboot with someone strong enough to give Superman an exciting film filled with action, character interaction, depth, and serious adversaries.

I did like Spacey as Luthor but they didn't give him a lot to work with. The plot had holes you could drive a truck through.

I want to chuck the whole thing and start from scratch. Give us an interesting Science Fiction beginning like the one from Byrne and Wolfman's 'Man Of Steel'. Let us see young Clark travel the world in search of himself like in Birthright. Let's see how Clark arrived at the costume and the identity - I'd like it to be just like in 'Man Of Steel'. I'd like to see him battle Brainiac with Luthor as the Corporate Shark who appears to be Metropolis' defender but, in truth, is trying to manipulate everyone to his own ends.

So, the world DOES need a reboot.

It needs to get this franchise back on the right foot!

 

[Superman-Prime]

If you guys want a reboot, then we'll have to wait for another 20 years. Good luck with this.

 

[mego joe]

If you guys want a reboot, then we'll have to wait for another 20 years. Good luck with this.

Looks like Hulk's doing it just a few years removed from the version that didn't work.

I don't think it would be that hard.

Anyway, no Superman film would be better than a direct sequel to SR.

 

[VenomsMom]

Looks like Hulk's doing it just a few years removed from the version that didn't work.

I don't think it would be that hard.

Anyway, no Superman film would be better than a direct sequel to SR.

Marvel is having a much easier time adapting their characters to the big screen. They have already done many sequels and even working on spinoffs. WB seems to be having more of a difficult time with the concept of their characters which is why I say the task of a reboot may delay the Superman francise for quite sometime. They seem to be in limbo. This JL movie which I have very little optimism for seems to be the route they want to take.

 

[Excel]

They might not NEED one but they sure as hell WANT one oh hell yeah

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Looks like Hulk's doing it just a few years removed from the version that didn't work.

I don't think it would be that hard.

The new Hulk film is also being produced and self-financed by Marvel themselves, as opposed the original film which was made by a major film studio.

Somehow, I don't see DC going around WB, and producing and self-financing their own Superman movie, anytime in the near future.

 

[nintendo nerd]

The new Hulk film is also being produced and self-financed by Marvel themselves, as opposed the original film which was made by a major film studio.

Somehow, I don't see DC going around WB, and producing and self-financing their own Superman movie, anytime in the near future.

Even if they wanted to, they can't. WB owns DC comics.

 

[bunk]

A reboot doesn't have to be an origin story at all. Hopefully if they do restart the franchise they won't retell his origin. They can remind us of it in flashbacks or something though.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Even if they wanted to, they can't. WB owns DC comics.

Exactly.

Not saying a Superman Reboot is out of the question, but people really need to stop comparing the Superman franchise to what's happened with the Hulk. It's a completely different situation. Universal eventually lost the rights to Hulk, and they reverted back to Marvel.

Something like that could never happen with Superman/WB/DC because of the reason you mentioned.

Even studios that are currently licensing the film rights to Marvel characters, have a certain amount of time to produce a film or more films, and if they don't, those rights eventually revert back to Marvel. It happened with New Line/Iron Man, as well as with Universal/Hulk. Both of those films are now being made by Marvel themselves.

WB doesn't have that type of pressure to worry about, because they own DC Comics and hold the film rights to all of their characters.