WB Superman Reboot 3.0: Christopher Nolan Edition

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Ever since Superman Returns came out it has become evident to me that there's just no magic bullet that completely resolves the whole issue of turning the franchise around.

I have very deep sympathy for the person who takes on saving the franchise.
 
A reboot doesn't have to be an origin story at all. Hopefully if they do restart the franchise they won't retell his origin. They can remind us of it in flashbacks or something though.

It's been more than a long enough time to reintroduce the character.
 
Ever since Superman Returns came out it has become evident to me that there's just no magic bullet that completely resolves the whole issue of turning the franchise around.

I have very deep sympathy for the person who takes on saving the franchise.

I have a very deep sympathy for the person who takes on the franchise at all. The same can probably be said for any superhero franchise.
 
This movie does need a reboot. Whoever is willing to take over...good luck!
 
The new Hulk film is also being produced and self-financed by Marvel themselves, as opposed the original film which was made by a major film studio.

Somehow, I don't see DC going around WB, and producing and self-financing their own Superman movie, anytime in the near future.

I think DC's characters would benefit from creative input from DC Comics or comic professionals. Or at least Hollywood creators that know and respect the COMIC BOOK material.
 
I want Brandon Routh to become Superman, NOT JUST APPEAR AS SUPERMAN AND PRETEND TO PORTRAY CHISTOPHER REEVES.

We need a Superman reboot because we want to see how Superman and Lois met for the first time, how they fall in love, why is Lex the way he is.

You can't just throw all that a way and start in the middle of the overall picture.

We need a reboot because it has been almost 30 YEARS since an origin story was told of Superman, and Superman deserves one for the new generation, not a crappy rehash.

I though SR was okay, but I knew every since they announced they aren't doing an origin story back 2005 that it will fail, no matter what. The audience needs to grow with Clark Kent.

A great example is how the audience is watching Peter Parker and Christian Bale's Batman become who they are. Brandon Routh didn't get that.
 
Ok, I understand that not everyone loved SR; for the record I did, but that's beside the point. The biggest criticism that SR gets, which I can see to an extent is that it didn't show us anything new in terms of villains, action sequences, etc.. It seems to me that if you want something new, continue the series where it is right now. Singer has repeatedly said that his plans for the sequel are a more action packed movie (prob w/ Braniac). The one thing I think that we could all do without is another Superman origin story. The reason Batman Begins worked was because the old Batman movies never really showed his origin, plus they'd gone through all the villains already. With Superman, this all stems back to S:TM. We already got a great origin in that movie. Then we got SII, take or leave 3 and 4, and now w/ Returns out, we can finally get to see something new in a Superman movie. If everybody doesn't stop making all this noise on the net about wanting a reboot then we're gonna be right back at square one.

I love SR and Brandon as Superman.

And I want a sequel, with or without Singer, but I'd prefer if he comes back. I want to see his vision.
 
But thats the beauty with SR. I mean seriously what comic arc is SR most like? Superman: For Tomorrow!!! I mean everything I have in bold happened in For Tomorrow even down to Superman's feelings for Lois after everything happened (see the follow up issue to For Tomorrow for that). The only difference between For Tomorrow and SR is that Superman and Lois are not married and have a kid. Lois can still end up with Superman/Clark Kent thats not the problem. The story really wasn't to much of the problem. The problem is right now Superman in general is a hit or miss. Now these days people like a hero with faults and is or can be dark which is why you see the success in Batman, Spider-Man or even the X-men. Superman is to perfect for people now these days and thats just the problem.

But he was not perfect in SR. He was a good guy, but he clearly was more humanized and given some flaws, which I liked. He is not Jesus, so I don't expect him to live without sin.

What the sequel needs is a good story, faster pace and lots of action (and a cool supervillain), and Superman punching some baddies, haha. But most of all, it needs Brandon Routh. He was GREAT in SR.
 
Spot on, TOTALLY agree, SR was a superb movie, and i can only see a sequel being even better. If Bryan and Brandon get the chance, i know they wont dissapoint. If WB decide to re-bbot, judging by the direction they took with JL, we will get a TERRIBLE re-boot that will be an X3/FF type piece of garbage thats about 90 mins long.

Stick with Singer WB, you know it makes sense.



Well said, i have made this observation a few times before, SR is a LOT like FT, which IMO was a great Superman story. And of course, SR is a great Superman film.

Perfectly said.
 
Ok, I understand that not everyone loved SR; for the record I did, but that's beside the point. The biggest criticism that SR gets, which I can see to an extent is that it didn't show us anything new in terms of villains, action sequences, etc.. It seems to me that if you want something new, continue the series where it is right now. Singer has repeatedly said that his plans for the sequel are a more action packed movie (prob w/ Braniac). The one thing I think that we could all do without is another Superman origin story. The reason Batman Begins worked was because the old Batman movies never really showed his origin, plus they'd gone through all the villains already. With Superman, this all stems back to S:TM. We already got a great origin in that movie. Then we got SII, take or leave 3 and 4, and now w/ Returns out, we can finally get to see something new in a Superman movie. If everybody doesn't stop making all this noise on the net about wanting a reboot then we're gonna be right back at square one.

MyWay, I respectfully disagree with your premise...here why. S:TM was done in 1978. There have been many children born since then. Most experience S:TM on HBO or Cinemax in the late 80's. There are generation of kids born in the 90's til date, that had never saw that film regardless of it being in syndication. The reason being, that generation see that, that film was made in 1978, have no desire to see such an arcade film in this era of the late 90's til date, with the advent SFX and better technologies of their era. Not to mention the fact that this continuity is a sequel to an arcade continuity of 1978.

With that said, we got an opportunity to see Batman's origin in the older films, and how it effected him on a personal level... making him the man/myth he is. We just wasn't afforded the opportunity to experience how proficient his training and skills came to be and how Wayne's Industries played a role in his technology and weaponry.

One can say the same for Superman. We experience some background details as an infant on Krypton, his livelihood as a growing child of the Kent Family on earth, and his first experience in Metropolis. Yet, we have not experience the uniqe life and similarities on Krypton that relates them to Earth, a full understanding of the situation that led to JorEl choosing to send him to Earth compared to other worlds, and the political intrigue that exist that may give a better understanding of significant correlation that ties Superman to a list of future villains(minus Zod). There is much in an origin story that we are missing that could be covered in the first moments of a Reboot, such as what happen in Batman.

Now, like most here and elsewhere, I royally like Brandon Routh as Superman and would hate to see him replace... which will most likely happen in a complete reboot. The way to get around that IMHO, is to do a Prequel. This would allow WB to give an origin story as I have discussed and maintain Routh as Superman for future installment. The Prequel could feature General Zod escape from the Phantom Zone and touch obviously on Lex Luthor. However, I would re-invent Lex as CEO of financial strap LexCorps, hence the reason for swindling the old lady's money, for his company and why Lex got off because there was no evidence or testimoney from Superman to link Lex to an invented crime in the confines of this new continuity.

WB just need to have imagination, creativity, and some profound understanding of the characters and their resources.
 
MyWay, I respectfully disagree with your premise...here why. S:TM was done in 1978. There have been many children born since then. Most experience S:TM on HBO or Cinemax in the late 80's. There are generation of kids born in the 90's til date, that had never saw that film regardless of it being in syndication. The reason being, that generation see that, that film was made in 1978, have no desire to see such an arcade film in this era of the late 90's til date, with the advent SFX and better technologies of their era. Not to mention the fact that this continuity is a sequel to an arcade continuity of 1978.

With that said, we got an opportunity to see Batman's origin in the older films, and how it effected him on a personal level... making him the man/myth he is. We just wasn't afforded the opportunity to experience how proficient his training and skills came to be and how Wayne's Industries played a role in his technology and weaponry.

One can say the same for Superman. We experience some background details as an infant on Krypton, his livelihood as a growing child of the Kent Family on earth, and his first experience in Metropolis. Yet, we have not experience the uniqe life and similarities on Krypton that relates them to Earth, a full understanding of the situation that led to JorEl choosing to send him to Earth compared to other worlds, and the political intrigue that exist that may give a better understanding of significant correlation that ties Superman to a list of future villains(minus Zod). There is much in an origin story that we are missing that could be covered in the first moments of a Reboot, such as what happen in Batman.

Now, like most here and elsewhere, I royally like Brandon Routh as Superman and would hate to see him replace... which will most likely happen in a complete reboot. The way to get around that IMHO, is to do a Prequel. This would allow WB to give an origin story as I have discussed and maintain Routh as Superman for future installment. The Prequel could feature General Zod escape from the Phantom Zone and touch obviously on Lex Luthor. However, I would re-invent Lex as CEO of financial strap LexCorps, hence the reason for swindling the old lady's money, for his company and why Lex got off because there was no evidence or testimoney from Superman to link Lex to an invented crime in the confines of this new continuity.

WB just need to have imagination, creativity, and some profound understanding of the characters and their resources.
Put Eradicator in this story and you got something there.:cwink:
 
Here's why you need a new origin story for a reboot......

Without it ... it just looks like a sequel to whatever the last film was.

With it, you hit the audience over the head right from the start that this is a new beginning to the franchise.
 
MyWay, I respectfully disagree with your premise...here why. S:TM was done in 1978. There have been many children born since then. Most experience S:TM on HBO or Cinemax in the late 80's. There are generation of kids born in the 90's til date, that had never saw that film regardless of it being in syndication. The reason being, that generation see that, that film was made in 1978, have no desire to see such an arcade film in this era of the late 90's til date, with the advent SFX and better technologies of their era. Not to mention the fact that this continuity is a sequel to an arcade continuity of 1978.

With that said, we got an opportunity to see Batman's origin in the older films, and how it effected him on a personal level... making him the man/myth he is. We just wasn't afforded the opportunity to experience how proficient his training and skills came to be and how Wayne's Industries played a role in his technology and weaponry.

One can say the same for Superman. We experience some background details as an infant on Krypton, his livelihood as a growing child of the Kent Family on earth, and his first experience in Metropolis. Yet, we have not experience the uniqe life and similarities on Krypton that relates them to Earth, a full understanding of the situation that led to JorEl choosing to send him to Earth compared to other worlds, and the political intrigue that exist that may give a better understanding of significant correlation that ties Superman to a list of future villains(minus Zod). There is much in an origin story that we are missing that could be covered in the first moments of a Reboot, such as what happen in Batman.

Now, like most here and elsewhere, I royally like Brandon Routh as Superman and would hate to see him replace... which will most likely happen in a complete reboot. The way to get around that IMHO, is to do a Prequel. This would allow WB to give an origin story as I have discussed and maintain Routh as Superman for future installment. The Prequel could feature General Zod escape from the Phantom Zone and touch obviously on Lex Luthor. However, I would re-invent Lex as CEO of financial strap LexCorps, hence the reason for swindling the old lady's money, for his company and why Lex got off because there was no evidence or testimoney from Superman to link Lex to an invented crime in the confines of this new continuity.

WB just need to have imagination, creativity, and some profound understanding of the characters and their resources.
replace General Zod with Brainaic or any other villain, and you got a good movie :up:
 
Here's why you need a new origin story for a reboot......

Without it ... it just looks like a sequel to whatever the last film was.

With it, you hit the audience over the head right from the start that this is a new beginning to the franchise.

But the audience knows Superman's origin, it has been told so many times in different forms of media. I think it is difficult to retell the origin yet again and do it in a way that is new and fresh enough to make audiences excited about it.
 
only one origin has been shown on the big screen, and that was over 20 years ago... it's time to bring Superman into the new millennium and leave Donner in the past.
 
I want Brandon Routh to become Superman, NOT JUST APPEAR AS SUPERMAN AND PRETEND TO PORTRAY CHISTOPHER REEVES.

We need a Superman reboot because we want to see how Superman and Lois met for the first time, how they fall in love, why is Lex the way he is.

You can't just throw all that a way and start in the middle of the overall picture.

We need a reboot because it has been almost 30 YEARS since an origin story was told of Superman, and Superman deserves one for the new generation, not a crappy rehash.

I though SR was okay, but I knew every since they announced they aren't doing an origin story back 2005 that it will fail, no matter what. The audience needs to grow with Clark Kent.

A great example is how the audience is watching Peter Parker and Christian Bale's Batman become who they are. Brandon Routh didn't get that.

Is REEVE not REEVES. :yay:
 
MyWay, I respectfully disagree with your premise...here why. S:TM was done in 1978. There have been many children born since then. Most experience S:TM on HBO or Cinemax in the late 80's. There are generation of kids born in the 90's til date, that had never saw that film regardless of it being in syndication. The reason being, that generation see that, that film was made in 1978, have no desire to see such an arcade film in this era of the late 90's til date, with the advent SFX and better technologies of their era. Not to mention the fact that this continuity is a sequel to an arcade continuity of 1978.

With that said, we got an opportunity to see Batman's origin in the older films, and how it effected him on a personal level... making him the man/myth he is. We just wasn't afforded the opportunity to experience how proficient his training and skills came to be and how Wayne's Industries played a role in his technology and weaponry.

One can say the same for Superman. We experience some background details as an infant on Krypton, his livelihood as a growing child of the Kent Family on earth, and his first experience in Metropolis. Yet, we have not experience the uniqe life and similarities on Krypton that relates them to Earth, a full understanding of the situation that led to JorEl choosing to send him to Earth compared to other worlds, and the political intrigue that exist that may give a better understanding of significant correlation that ties Superman to a list of future villains(minus Zod). There is much in an origin story that we are missing that could be covered in the first moments of a Reboot, such as what happen in Batman.

Now, like most here and elsewhere, I royally like Brandon Routh as Superman and would hate to see him replace... which will most likely happen in a complete reboot. The way to get around that IMHO, is to do a Prequel. This would allow WB to give an origin story as I have discussed and maintain Routh as Superman for future installment. The Prequel could feature General Zod escape from the Phantom Zone and touch obviously on Lex Luthor. However, I would re-invent Lex as CEO of financial strap LexCorps, hence the reason for swindling the old lady's money, for his company and why Lex got off because there was no evidence or testimoney from Superman to link Lex to an invented crime in the confines of this new continuity.

WB just need to have imagination, creativity, and some profound understanding of the characters and their resources.

That's a great idea VD, I like it. I don't think it's going to happen though. :up: :up: :up:



replace General Zod with Brainaic or any other villain, and you got a good movie :up:

Agreed :up:
 
I thought the visuals of SR were brilliant all besides that mucky looking suit.
The movie looked wonderful imo.


There are many things I'll miss from the Donnerverse. But it truly is time to move on.
 
The movie needs a robot!

All those cool stuff that made Superman so awesome in the past!
 
The film definitely needs a fresh start which is crazy considering SR just came out less than two years ago. There is a thread on SHH about a new fan written script for Superman called Superman: Apokolips. It's available for free on their site.
 
only one origin has been shown on the big screen, and that was over 20 years ago... it's time to bring Superman into the new millennium and leave Donner in the past.
Super Kal is right. And I agree.
 
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