WB Superman Reboot 3.0: Christopher Nolan Edition

[CrazyDavey]

I don't care what they do, as long as Routh returns.

 

[dark_b]

at this point i want a fight, even if the suit is pink
i want a fight on the same level like TF.

 

[The War Machine]

Good job JC.

The people who voted sequel obviously want Routh in it..

And most of the people who voted reboot also want Routh in it..


Interesting..

 

[M.O.Steel]

PREQUEL with Routh, Bosworth, Spacey and without Jason

not a bad idea. never thought of it. i like it.

 

[dark_b]

WB will never IMO make a prequel with the same actors.

there is a bigger chance that marvel will promote incredible hulk then WB doing a prequel with the same actors.

 

[bgshw44]

how about seperate superman movies, like the bond franchise, that dont contradict each other, but are not direct sequels?

keep the same cast

 

[stargazer]

Sequel Please

Brandon Routh is the ONLY Superman I will pay to see in a movie.

 

[stargazer]

why reboot? everybody knows supermans roots..came to smallville in a spaceship...raised by the angels marth ans jonathan....learned his kryptonian roots...

i really dont think we need that again.

i think that the great thing bout SR was the fact that they didn't reboot it. they assume that we know supes origens. most do. a lot of people complain that they didnt understand the "vagueness"...when i actually think tht is a strenght....yes, i agree it wasnt pulled off the way it should be,....

but having an established NEW franchise start off with the premise that superman has been around for awhile is actually kind of cool. the only thing is, you have to SHOW how important Superman is to the world. SHOW us why the world needs a SUPERMAN.

SHOW us flashbacks as to why SUPERMAN is so damn impotant to the well being of the worls. SHOW him saving people. SHOW him inspiring people. SHOW why he is so damn important.

it's so frstrating for me because SR had a great forum to use lois' article as to "why the world doesnt need superman"..build off of that...the world is A LOT worse off since he left...and it was NEVER shown...

eh i loved SR but i understand its faults...i think they should build on its shortcomings and potential instead of killing it totally....

Good post!

And to me Superman was VERY inspiring in SR. I LOVE THIS MOVIE and want more of it. I think as a reintroduction movie of Superman to new audiences, it was very well done and with a lot of style, class, and lots of heart.
And most importantly, they found the right guy in Routh to play this iconic character.

 

[Nathan]

The reason I'd prefer a reboot is because the whole Donnerverse is so extremely boring. There have been no good villains other than maybe Zod and his crew, and Lex Luther is a wig wearing, campy, pansy. Oh, and his plans suck.

 

[buggs0268]

If you guys want a reboot, then we'll have to wait for another 20 years. Good luck with this.

No we wont. You guys said the same crap about Justice League. I remember the quotes "wont happen for 8 years" and all of a sudden it is pretty much greenlit and was just delayed for the strike, but is on the fast track once the strike is done. What they are going to do is probably go off of the JLA superman.

 

[buggs0268]

We already have one: Smallville. And even that isn't perfect.



77% on Rotten Tomatoes is lackluster? With top reviews from Variety (who actually ranked it higher than STM), Time, Newsweek, and People?

Don't forget, WB confirmed a sequel two months into SR's release despite the less-than-ideal BO.

They didn't confirm anything until it crossed the 200 million mark. There was a rumor that the talent agencies when contacting the WB about SR2 was told that there would not be an SR2 unless it crossed 200 mill domestic. They kept it in theaters till it did. Then, all of a sudden it crawled to 200 mill really slow, and within the same week they signed a development deal with Singer and the film disapeared. I think it was a contractual thing they had with Singer in all honesty. And all they signed was a development deal and they obviously did not like both pitches he did. Singer would be gone if it wasn't for the fact that he has a pay or play deal. So they have to pay him unless he walks on his own.

 

[mego joe]

You think B&R is better than SR? Wow...

I thought everyone knew I felt that way...

B and R is watchable and entertaining for what it is...a take on the Batman of the 50's and 60's TV show.

SR is just simply not entertaining or enjoyable.

 

[mego joe]

Superman Returns aside, how can you say that what happened with Batman and Robin is fixable? Obviously it wasn't, which is one of the reasons they rebooted. The characterization of Batman and storyline was surely a problem with Batman in Robin, just in a different way. How does that not affect the film universe of Batman? It killed the franchise. The only difference between Superman Returns and Batman & Robin is that the characterization and storylines are at two different ends of the spectrum.

WHat happened with Batman and Robin was fixable.

Dick goes off to college...

Bruce moves into the penthouse apartment in town...

He's the Dark Knight, solo once again...

You do Scarecrow and R'as al Gul, but not as part of an origin story and there you go.

There is no plot point from B and R that needed resolving or follow through in a sequel. You can change tone and improve quality while referencing nothing from previous films.

Now this doesn't mean it would be successful, the audience may have been burnt out by that point, but time is the only healer there.

WIth SR you have plot points that are necessarily important to a sequel, but also the very problem with the storyline itself.

THere's a big difference.

 

[stargazer]

I thought the visuals of SR were brilliant all besides that mucky looking suit.
The movie looked wonderful imo.


There are many things I'll miss from the Donnerverse. But it truly is time to move on.

Agreed!!

I'm sorry but the crystal technology is just too great to lose, IMO. The mainstream is VERY familiar with that and it'd very confusing to try to change that. You can see that influence even in the cartoons the children are watching now. I noticed that in at least two cartoons I watched recently. Whether people like it or not, STM and S2 are still fresh in peoples minds because they were highly popular in our culture. People still remember them. Bryan did well in basing his Supes universe on them IMO. I want a sequel please.

 

[superbaby]

either option is fine to me as long as singer is out.

 

[superbaby]

... Now these days people like a hero with faults and is or can be dark which is why you see the success in Batman, Spider-Man or even the X-men. Superman is to perfect for people now these days and thats just the problem.

oh pls... i totally do not agree to this statement. don't look for excuses for the failure of SR.

 

[Rated-X]

Now these days people like a hero with faults and is or can be dark which is why you see the success in Batman, Spider-Man or even the X-men. Superman is to perfect for people now these days and thats just the problem.

Didn't Returns make more at the BO than Begins.

 

[wellsy]

Yes, but its budget was also a lot higher than Begins. Therein lies the issue with the sequel's development.

 

[Super Kal]

Didn't Returns make more at the BO than Begins.

no it didn't

Superman Returns
budget: $270 million
domestic take: $200,081,192

Batman Begins
budget: $150 million
domestic take: $205,343,774

 

[VenomsMom]

no it didn't

Superman Returns
budget: $270 million
domestic take: $200,081,192

Batman Begins
budget: $150 million
domestic take: $205,343,774

270 million? Where did that astronomical figure come from. If thats true...no wonder they were disappointed. That just doesnt justify a sequel.

 

[Super Kal]

270 million? Where did that astronomical figure come from. If thats true...no wonder they were disappointed. That just doesnt justify a sequel.

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=superman06.htm

 

[VenomsMom]

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=superman06.htm

Thats the first I have seen that figure....I see what all the fuss was about now. Why so much on the budget? They had to be expecting atleast over 300 million to be happy domestically alone.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I don't get where that horrendoulsy huge budget came from. I can digest 204 million, but 270 million? that has to include marketing, right?

 

[Super Kal]

i think that includes all budgets from the other movies as well... could be wrong though.

nevertheless, though, SR did not make up it's money domestically.

 

[The Guard]

I don't get where that horrendoulsy huge budget came from. I can digest 204 million, but 270 million? that has to include marketing, right?

That budget figure takes into account the money doled out on failed SUPERMAN LIVES and JJ Abrams SUPERMAN projects. It's rumored to be between $30-70 million (They blew $25 million before CATWOMAN ever got off the ground, I don't think it's a stretch). I don't think $200 million plus is a bad number at all for a movie like this. WB was just disappointed in the overall gross. But look at how much SPIDER-MAN 3 cost ($258 million). Even BATMAN BEGINS cost $170 million. It's not like the effects/sets/costumes/locales in SUPERMAN RETURNS weren't fantastic. That stuff costs money. And Singer did shoot with a new kind of camera, too. And don't forget the "Return to Krypton" sequence. A full 20 minutes of effects-heavy film that never showed up in the final cut.