Were any of the character arcs truly completed at the end of X3?

[The Batman]

looking at the characters from X1 to X3, were any of their character arcs completed, besides jean and wolverine?

Cyclops' arc implied that, when Xavier dies, he'd take over the school. We all know how this turns out in X3.

Wolverine comes from being a loner, to an X-Man. His arc is completed.

Storm probably dosent even have a character arc, and she basically stole scotts

Jean's arc was truly completed.

Rogue goes from being afraid of her powers in X1, starting to accept them in X2, and giving them up in X3. Character arc ruined.

Comments? Questions?

 

[crappymovie]

The characters had endings....only to be reversed later on because of fear. The movie didn't follow through with anything: that was the problem.

 

[The Dark Defender]

It's tough to complete what wasn't started till now, since the first 2 films had piss poor characterization.

Storm and Jean finally became actual characters, Iceman became somewhat useful after all this time of being wasted, Wolverine is still a bad-ass wannabe with bad one-liners, but his relationship with Storm and stepping up to the plate as a team player was handled fairly well.

Cyclops and Rogue were a total waste, as they were in the first two.

 

[crappymovie]

Rogue was a waste in X1? Just because she didn't jump out of the comic book, doesn't mean she didn't have characterization.

Storm wasn't a waste? All of her opinions could have been given to another character, she was opinionated for the sake of being opinionated: I thought her best characterization was in X2: she had an opinion, presented as a mature adult.

 

[Heretic]

Rogue was wasted in Part 1???

Other than Wolverine she was the star of the film...

Maybe you dont like how she was handled, but she was in fact...handled...

I think that the character Rogue is in the movies would take the cure.

A compelling drama can come from her slowly regaining her powers and trying to convince Magneto to give her more of the cure (they never saw eye to eye) and then when all hope is lost she embraces her powers and sucks the flight and strength powers from the badass thats destroying the team...

 

[BMM]

It's depends upon whether or not there is an X4, and what they do with the characters. If they are all brought back yet again, then no. No character arcs were truly completed.

 

[TheVileOne]

A complete to Rogue's story arc would be rejecting her cure and accepting herself and her flaws and saving the X-men over getting a cure. She was being selfish. And it was poor characterization.

They ruined Cyclops arc, being the one who would take over for Xavier and being set-up as Jean's true love in the second movie.

Wolverine's character arc was basically completed in the second movie. He decided he was fine with not knowing about his past anymore, and he chose a future with the X-men over elsewhere.

Of course due to incompetence they didn't have the guts to go through with a Nightcrawler/Storm relationship built off of what was started in X-men 2.

 

[skruloos]

It's tough to complete what wasn't started till now, since the first 2 films had piss poor characterization.

Except that The Batman clearly outlined the character arcs.
And it's not like they were subtle character moments either. But I digress. I see that you prefer the over-the-top one dimensional characterizations of X3. They acted like real people in the previous X-films. Sure, they may not have been exact to their comic counterparts, but they had their moments. They became cardboard cutouts in X3.

 

[Heretic]

I would have Nightcrawler in the opening scen of part 4...telling Iceman that Storm has been killed...

And Rogue was selfish??? Man! What a girl!! What a teenager!!

You are right, since Rogue is neither young, nor a female then her selfishness makes no sense.

 

[The Batman]

Except that The Batman clearly outlined the character arcs.

And it's not like they were subtle character moments either. But I digress. I see that you prefer the over-the-top one dimensional characterizations of X3. They acted like real people in the previous X-films. Sure, they may not have been exact to their comic counterparts, but they had their moments. They became cardboard cutouts in X3.[/QUOTE]


I'm finding most only like X3 because it had better action and effects, which is kinda shallow, IMo...

 

[CapBeerCino]

Storm and Jean finally became actual characters

Jean? She was so soulless I couldn't bring myself to care when she died.
And if shouting your lines all over the place is characterization, then yes, Storm is now an actual character.

 

[skruloos]

I'm finding most only like X3 because it had better action and effects, which is kinda shallow, IMo...

I agree. You know what I'd really like? I'd love it if Singer did the movie with someone like Ratner or Michael Bay serving as his Action Director. That way you'd get all the spectacle with all of the characterization. Get a script polished by Lawrence Kasdan and you're good to go.

 

[TheVileOne]

I would have Nightcrawler in the opening scen of part 4...telling Iceman that Storm has been killed...

And Rogue was selfish??? Man! What a girl!! What a teenager!!

You are right, since Rogue is neither young, nor a female then her selfishness makes no sense.

The conclusion should be that she ultimately chooses against that and chooses to save her friends and loved ones instead.

Have Rogue absorb Leech's powers, and use that to nullify Phoenix, INSTEAD of using the cure.

 

[The Batman]

I agree. You know what I'd really like? I'd love it if Singer did the movie with someone like Ratner or Michael Bay serving as his Action Director. That way you'd get all the spectacle with all of the characterization. Get a script polished by Lawrence Kasdan and you're good to go.

exactly. i kept thinking to myself if only hayter, dougherty, and harris got to heavily revise kinberg and penn's script.

 

[Sketchee]

Jean? She was so soulless I couldn't bring myself to care when she died.
And if shouting your lines all over the place is characterization, then yes, Storm is now an actual character.

Let's see, Jean before was just a member of the X-Men. She had no story. Who was she before she was an X-Man? Who was she besides someone who people loved? Why did people even love her?

This movie made Jean a character who came from somewhere, who had potential. She was someone before she was an X-Man. Xavier came to her for a reason and she was an X-Man for a reason more than just being a mutant. Not only did she become a character, but it worked with who we saw in the last two movies. In the first movie, she was full of self doubt about her powers thinking she wasn't powerful. In the second movie, something was happening to her and her powers that no one could understand. Finally those things make sense and there's more to her than being a pretty woman who Cyclops and Wolverine fight over.

Ignore 616, this is an alternate realty with it's own take on the characters and how their fates play out. Something that I think the comic fans would expect considering how many different takes outside of 616 the comics have shown us.

 

[CapBeerCino]

This movie made Jean a character who came from somewhere, who had potential. She was someone before she was an X-Man. Xavier came to her for a reason and she was an X-Man for a reason more than just being a mutant. Not only did she become a character, but it worked with who we saw in the last two movies. In the first movie, she was full of self doubt about her powers thinking she wasn't powerful. In the second movie, something was happening to her and her powers that no one could understand. Finally those things make sense and there's more to her than being a pretty woman who Cyclops and Wolverine fight over.

I didn't care for her in x-3. She may have a background now, but no character. (She kills Xavier - all hell breaks lose and then she just leave with Magneto to stand by his side while he fights the cure she doesn't even care about?)

 

[skruloos]

Let's see, Jean before was just a member of the X-Men. She had no story. Who was she before she was an X-Man? Who was she besides someone who people loved? Why did people even love her?

This movie made Jean a character who came from somewhere, who had potential. She was someone before she was an X-Man. Xavier came to her for a reason and she was an X-Man for a reason more than just being a mutant. Not only did she become a character, but it worked with who we saw in the last two movies. In the first movie, she was full of self doubt about her powers thinking she wasn't powerful. In the second movie, something was happening to her and her powers that no one could understand. Finally those things make sense and there's more to her than being a pretty woman who Cyclops and Wolverine fight over.

What exactly did we find out though? She had a family who was afraid of her? Wow. Sounds like every other mutant backstory we heard. What did we find out about her that made Scott love her? Don't know. What are we shown about her relationship with Logan? That a big part of it is physical. What other big revelations about her character did we get?

She's powerful? That was already hinted at in X1 and shown in X2. The only thing we learned was that Xavier put a mental block on her and that her psyche fractured. That's the only new information we got.

 

[ginny_weasley]

I'm gonna have to disagree about Jean having a complete arc here.

There wasn't much character development to her: most of the time she was Dark Phoenix. Even the moments when she was Jean (in the lab with Logan asking her to kill him, a few minutes at her house, and a split second at the end with Logan), she didn't do much aside from fail to win out against the Phoenix. She died completely unable to control the Phoenix, unlike comic Jean who was able to overcome the Phoenix long enough to sacrifice herself for the good of those she loved.

So I would say Jean had no character arc. She was merely a victim of the Phoenix like Scott and Xavier.

 

[skruloos]

I'm gonna have to disagree about Jean having a complete arc here.

There wasn't much character development to her: most of the time she was Dark Phoenix. Even the moments when she was Jean (in the lab with Logan asking her to kill him, a few minutes at her house, and a split second at the end with Logan), she didn't do much aside from fail to win out against the Phoenix. She died completely unable to control the Phoenix, unlike comic Jean who was able to overcome the Phoenix long enough to sacrifice herself for the good of those she loved.

So I would say Jean had no character arc. She was merely a victim of the Phoenix like Scott and Xavier.

Damn good assessment.

 

[WorthyStevens]

I'm gonna have to disagree about Jean having a complete arc here.

There wasn't much character development to her: most of the time she was Dark Phoenix. Even the moments when she was Jean (in the lab with Logan asking her to kill him, a few minutes at her house, and a split second at the end with Logan), she didn't do much aside from fail to win out against the Phoenix. She died completely unable to control the Phoenix, unlike comic Jean who was able to overcome the Phoenix long enough to sacrifice herself for the good of those she loved.

So I would say Jean had no character arc. She was merely a victim of the Phoenix like Scott and Xavier.

The reason she gave up, I believe, was because she didn't have Scott around to keep her motivated. Their love was what kept Jean battling out against the Phoenix force in the comics, and without Scott around there was nothing for her to keep going on for.

 

[Douces]

^Just because her story didn't end on an upnote doesn't mean Jean didn't have an arc. Jean Grey wasn't a totally realized character, but there is a definite arc from X1 to X3.

 

[ginny_weasley]

The reason she gave up, I believe, was because she didn't have Scott around to keep her motivated. Their love was what kept Jean battling out against the Phoenix force in the comics, and without Scott around there was nothing for her to keep going on for.

That makes sense

Though I still think this is a terrible representation of Jean - a terrible representation of Scott and Jean as a couple as well: essentially the message is "When the other dies, both Scott and Jean just give up on life". What a charming message for a movie, that really inspires me. /sacrasm.

 

[Sketchee]

That makes sense

Though I still think this is a terrible representation of Jean - a terrible representation of Scott and Jean as a couple as well: essentially the message is "When the other dies, both Scott and Jean just give up on life". What a charming message for a movie, that really inspires me. /sacrasm.

I suppose Scott should just marry a woman who looks exactly like Jean, have a baby with her, and then abandon the woman and child as soon as Jean turns out to be alive again. That is a much better view of Scott.

 

[Storm Shadow]

A complete to Rogue's story arc would be rejecting her cure and accepting herself and her flaws and saving the X-men over getting a cure. She was being selfish.

I don't see how she was being selfish...

Its her body she can do whatever it is she wants.

Do you think girls having abortions are being selfish?

Do you think cripples who cure themselves by stem cells are being selfish?

I don't know why I'm asking, I bet you do.

The X-Men ended up wining in the end anyways.

 

[Sketchee]

What exactly did we find out though? She had a family who was afraid of her? Wow. Sounds like every other mutant backstory we heard. What did we find out about her that made Scott love her? Don't know. What are we shown about her relationship with Logan? That a big part of it is physical. What other big revelations about her character did we get?

She's powerful? That was already hinted at in X1 and shown in X2. The only thing we learned was that Xavier put a mental block on her and that her psyche fractured. That's the only new information we got.

In X1 and X2, she didn't seem to exist outside of the school. She was just another X-Men. People having similar experiences within a community, yes that is something that effects people as it effects Jean. If I as a gay male had a family experience similar than other gay men, you can see how that plays into us as a community. It certainly has relavance that we have seen that occur with other mutants, so I wouldn't downplay that much. She came from somewhere andhad a whole story arc about her. Not as much as in years of comic books, but then again she was pretty boring for years and years of comics. She didn't start out as Phoenix there either...

Yes she's powerful. Let's not ignore that X2 didn't say WHY she was powerful. The point this time wasn't that she was powerful, it was a mystery in X2 and the ending left us to find out why she was powerful. If the fact that what happened to her in X2 happened for a reason isn't important new information, then I can't imagine what more could be done fore her.