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What don't you like about the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Spoilers)

I hate the Doctor Doom pivot and the RDJ casting. It reeks of desperation and you cannot convince me Doom won't be somehow tied to Stark intentionally. It's what they're banking on. Doom should have been saved for later and done right. Not been forced to get Kang's sloppy seconds. I also am anticipating never getting a proper FF vs Doctor Doom movie cause RDJ ain't sticking around past Secret Wars and this argument we will get some kind of "real Doom" later falls flat. First, a new Doom wouldn't be tied to the FF we are watching. So effectively it's a rivalry built on cheering for a jersey. Further, wasting a whole movie or 2 on RDJ only for him to be usurped by some other Doom we never saw before is just shoddy writing conceptually.

Doctor Doom is my favorite villain and the MCU is wasting him out of desperation and shoddy creative
 
I hate the Doctor Doom pivot and the RDJ casting. It reeks of desperation and you cannot convince me Doom won't be somehow tied to Stark intentionally. It's what they're banking on. Doom should have been saved for later and done right. Not been forced to get Kang's sloppy seconds. I also am anticipating never getting a proper FF vs Doctor Doom movie cause RDJ ain't sticking around past Secret Wars and this argument we will get some kind of "real Doom" later falls flat. First, a new Doom wouldn't be tied to the FF we are watching. So effectively it's a rivalry built on cheering for a jersey. Further, wasting a whole movie or 2 on RDJ only for him to be usurped by some other Doom we never saw before is just shoddy writing conceptually.

Doctor Doom is my favorite villain and the MCU is wasting him out of desperation and shoddy creative
I wholeheartedly agree. Everything has been building up to Kang for this whole saga. They should have just recast Jonathan Majors. It wouldn't have been the first time; hell they recently just did a recast with a high profile Hollywood actor anyway, Harrison Ford.

Anyway, I think you're gonna really vibe with this video essay.
 
I don’t think MCU stuck to the promise of the premise with the Multiverse Saga; we should have been seeing our current MCU actors play alternate versions of their characters rather than punting back to legacy actors—especially since many of those actors play characters not yet introduced in the 616.
 
I've found several YouTube videos, video essays basically breaking down how not only the MCU has gone downhill, but in some ways has negatively affected cinema overall.

I'll post em one by one.


Sometimes? The MCU is practically just known for their routine of using comedy to avoid their emotional stakes. Guardians 3 might excel at this method of theirs but honestly I feel like even that series overdoes the comedy.

I know you mentioned that you're not sharing Deadpool but the final trailer for the movie was meant to show off the emotional stakes of the film, but tonally it didn't really match what the film was going for at all aside from a moment or two.

And this isn't even getting into them including Dafne Keen when that could've been another great surprise.

By the way, I'm willing to bet they'll use humor to address and get away with RDJ as Victor, like Deadpool making some meta joke and moving on.
 
I don’t think MCU stuck to the promise of the premise with the Multiverse Saga; we should have been seeing our current MCU actors play alternate versions of their characters rather than punting back to legacy actors—especially since many of those actors play characters not yet introduced in the 616.
We did see current MCU actors played their alternate versions.

Doctor Strange
Agent Carter
Captain Marvel / Binary
Baron Mordo
Wanda
 
here's another essay video.

By the way, I'm willing to bet they'll use humor to address and get away with RDJ as Victor, like Deadpool making some meta joke and moving on.
yep, that's a pretty safe bet to make in my book. I think you'll have to find someone really hardcore/diehard to bet against that.
 
We did see current MCU actors played their alternate versions.

Doctor Strange
Agent Carter
Captain Marvel / Binary
Baron Mordo
Wanda

Agreed; and that's when the multiverse works for me. Same thing with What-If--that's what the multiverse should look like. Our familiar MCU characters in wild and outlandish scenarios. Cameos & legacy actors should be the icing on the cake, not the main course.
 
Agreed; and that's when the multiverse works for me. Same thing with What-If--that's what the multiverse should look like. Our familiar MCU characters in wild and outlandish scenarios. Cameos & legacy actors should be the icing on the cake, not the main course.
Legacy Marvel actors are far more interesting though than Tom Holland, RDJ, Chris Evans (Steve), Scarlett playing alternate reality version of their respective MCU character - as MCU is breaching out to a far more different territory, when they go beyond MCU actors and letting SonyVerse, New Line Blade and FoxVerse actors play in their sandbox.

That being said, we are likely getting more from both of those, in the next few years.
 
I disagree in context of the MCU narrative. I would have preferred Marvel expand into new franchises such as X-Men, Blade, Fantastic Four before their multiversal counterparts were (re)introduced.

Now we’re seemingly getting Hugh Jackman til he’s 90 instead of a new actor. Now audiences are hoping for a Wesley Snipes Blade movie instead of a Mahershala Ali reboot. And 44-year old Channing Tatum is still publicly pushing for Gambit, which is now more likely to happen than ever before thanks to his part in D&W. And given MCU’s lackluster creative choices lately, I wouldn’t be shocked if all of these indeed happen—although Snipes retuning as Blade, admittedly, wouldn’t be the worst thing.

MCU got the timing right with No Way Home, even if the script was lacking. Audiences had 4 years and 5 movies with Holland before Maguire and Garfield popped back up.
 
Channing Tatum is still publicly pushing for Gambit, which is now more likely to happen than ever before thanks to his part in D&W.
:weeping::weeping::weeping:

I hated him as Gambit.

But I wont be surprise if they cast him for real.
 
I disagree in context of the MCU narrative. I would have preferred Marvel expand into new franchises such as X-Men, Blade, Fantastic Four before their multiversal counterparts were (re)introduced.

Now we’re seemingly getting Hugh Jackman til he’s 90 instead of a new actor. Now audiences are hoping for a Wesley Snipes Blade movie instead of a Mahershala Ali reboot. And 44-year old Channing Tatum is still publicly pushing for Gambit, which is now more likely to happen than ever before thanks to his part in D&W. And given MCU’s lackluster creative choices lately, I wouldn’t be shocked if all of these indeed happen—although Snipes retuning as Blade, admittedly, wouldn’t be the worst thing.

MCU got the timing right with No Way Home, even if the script was lacking. Audiences had 4 years and 5 movies with Holland before Maguire and Garfield popped back up.
I believe a Blade 4 movie with Wesley and a Gambit solo movie when I see it.

Marvel Studios have plans and I doubt they would squeeze those two movies into their plans.
 
Now we’re seemingly getting Hugh Jackman til he’s 90 instead of a new actor. Now audiences are hoping for a Wesley Snipes Blade movie instead of a Mahershala Ali reboot. And 44-year old Channing Tatum is still publicly pushing for Gambit, which is now more likely to happen than ever before thanks to his part in D&W. And given MCU’s lackluster creative choices lately, I wouldn’t be shocked if all of these indeed happen—although Snipes retuning as Blade, admittedly, wouldn’t be the worst thing.
This might be an unpopular opinion, but it strikes me as somewhat entitled and even a bit narcissistic that Channing Tatum is still pushing to star in this movie at his age and at this point in his career. It would be one thing if he had ever actually played Gambit before now, like Hugh Jackman and Ryan Reynolds have their respective characters. But for him to just be starting now? That's absolutely absurd to me. Channing Tatum has already had a great career (a better one than he ever deserved given his limited range, imho). It wouldn't kill him to let this role go and allow a younger, up-and-coming actor to have the opportunity and make a career of it the way Jackman did with Wolverine. He claims to be a fan of the character, but I think this is more about his ego than anything else. I won't even go into how gross and old boy-ish it feels to me that Ryan Reynolds is publicly trying to put his thumb on the scale for it to happen. We all know from the debacle of It Ends With Us that he and his wife are both massive control freaks.

Regardless, if they do decide to use him again I would tolerate him appearing in Secret Wars with the other older versions of the X-Men. But after that, I would want his version to go away with all the others so that we could get someone age-appropriate, have a more serious take on the character, and have Gambit's whole story arc play out on-screen. Not one that has to be cut short or modified heavily to adapt to the age of the actor. I don't want Channing Tatum's Gambit anywhere near the MCU X-Men.
 
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this video sums up pretty well why I don't want MCU Spider-Man 4 to be another live action Spider-Verse and instead Spider-Man + Daredevil vs. Kingpin + Scorpion
 
Couldn't this all potentially change now that the film has a director?
I don't think so. the director doesn't get to choose who the supporting characters are, I would think that the higher ups controlling the storytelling narrative of the MCU would tell them who to put there. The director just gets to decide what kind of movie it'll be.
 
It varies. Ryan Coogler seemed to have creative freedom in the 2 Black Panther movies he directed.

But Spider-Man is also turning 4 next year, I don't think Marvel and Sony would want to extend more time for pre-prod, and wait til 2027 to release the movie because Destin wants to redo everything.
 
I decided to make this thread because while I love the fact that the mcu exists, I don't like all of the things they've established in its respective universe, and all the liberties they're taking in changing from the source material. I realize that obviously comic book adaptations can never be a panel for panel adaptation, but I'll get into my specific complaints.

I'll start from the beginning. Iron Man, is a great film. Great, great film. I'll go so far as saying it still seems like one of the best MCU films. No major complaints here.

tih is also a good film. I didn't love it, but I liked it. No major complaints here either, however, I don't like how they've downplayed (what becomes of) the secondary villain. I heard there is a marvel one shot, or something of the sort that explains and deals with the evil dr. samuel sterns? Honestly, I'd rather they just make a sequel and feature him there somehow. but overall, this was a good installment to the mcu.

iron man 2 - the fact that this film came when it did is my main issue. people try to argue that tony stark isn't the main character in the mcu, when...he had the biggest role in avengers, and he's the only superhero to have two films in a single phase. the film didn't even do much to advance the mcu narrative imo. as for the film itself, i did not like it that much - i don't like how justin hammer's actor didn't find the necessity to do the british accent. i don't like how terrence howard was recast - i know it was done because he badmouthed marvel about not being paid as much as rdj. if i were marvel, i would've just gone to howard and told him to watch what he says if he wants to keep his job, instead of recasting him. i didn't much like the plot or the final act - i think finishing off whiplash would've been cooler in a combat duel between him and natasha romanov instead of the hand to hand beam between the iron superheroes.

OK, next up is thor. I think this film was really good too, but it came with some miscasting, but the first is a bit personal. i don't think stellan skarsgard is a good actor, I wish they'd've cast someone else as the professor. the other thing is heimdall. i hate how they skipped over the whole sibling thing with sif, just to racebend the character for no goddamn reason. now since the asgardians aren't exactly human, so it's not exactly the same as fant4stic, I would've been fine with it if they just included one line from heimdall calling sif "sister" or vice versa with sif calling heimdall "brother," or her showing more concern than everyone else when they got back to asgard at the end, but they didn't. it was changing a character's race and neglecting to incorporate other things about the character.

now the film was great, but here's another hting with that - it very largely felt like this film was there to set up and build up for the avengers. the reason being, the fact that the end credits had a line saying "thor will return in the avengers." what was the purpose of this message? wouldn't people just find out the following year? iron man 2 didn't end with "iron man will return in avengers"

captain america was pretty good. i'm not crazy about it but I think it was a good movie, overall. my only complaint is the same as thor. the ending very much felt like an indication that this film was just buildup for the avengers. correct me if i'm wrong but the post credit scene was pretty much just a teaser for the avengers.

avengers is one of the greatest comic book movies of all time. and it was great. admittedly I didn't pay much attention when phase 1 was still happening because my favorite superhero (spiderman) was being kept separate from it all. so during the previews, I expected the villain to be one that was so powerful, it would take several superheroes to fight against it. but it ended up being an overwhelming army instead. but, that's that. the most important thing was that it was the first piece of massive fruition that marvel studios showed us. i'm also not fond of how they faked coulson's death. makes it meaningless in this movie. i liked the character, but if this movie gets the viewer and the avengers to believe him dead, he should've been.

after av1, I heard that it was said that cap2 was gonna be the phase 2 film that had most to do/most affect from av1. why the hell did iron man 3 come first then? now I think the final act of this film was kickass, but I certainly was not a fan of the mandarin twist. people are just saying things like "people are just whining the mandarin twist was fine/okay/nothing to complain about" to me, that comes off as people feeling like the mcu can do no wrong. well, hell no. i was not fond of it, and that's that. yes, it grossed $1.2 billion, but I think it was hot coming off of av1. I wonder how much higher cap2 would've grossed if it was released in IM3's slot.

cap2 was amazing, I loved it. what I didn't like is how they were making cap look so perfect though. he had the upperhand in his battles with the winter soldier pretty much every time they fought. I'd have rather seen the winter soldier get the upper hand more of the time. he was intimidating, and that would make it even more intimidating. i also don't like how falcon didn't have all the aspects he did in the comics - such as the connections with actual birds. i'm hoping they'll touch upon that in the future, but I don't see it.

for thor 2, i thought it was okay, my main gripe was how they're handling loki. similar to coulson. like, I don't like what they're doing with his character. i could write more about it but here's a blog that explains it pretty well
My Fury Over “Thor: The Dark World” Ending

guardians of the galaxy was fantastic as well, but as I mentioned in the beginning of this post - what I most dislike about changes from the adaptations, are the characters' origins. as I understand it, peter quill does not have quite the same origin as he does in the comics because his father isn't the same.

i have several complaints about av2, first being the romance between black widow and bruce, and writing hawkeye to have a wife and kids. smh. i wanted black widow and hawkeye to continue being a thing, and i HATE how they're pretty much letting betty ross go. i also don't like how they killed off quicksilver. for once, i hope that was a fake death though. his actor did sign a multifilm contract, so yeah. the only other thing is: i heard that originally, the plan was for av2 to be the infinity war, and av3 to be the civil war. but because of issues, they just wrote av2 to be another film against an army. this time of robots.

from my understanding, ant man was supposed to be the first phase 3 film but because of certain issues that are unclear, it became the final chapter of phase 2.

and cap3 is next up - I really don't like how the title is captain america and the subtitle is civil war. it's becoming so clear how this should've been titled as an avengers film or marvel's civil war - because if there are several main characters here, it really does not do justice calling this a captain america film.
Everything except for Iron Man, Iron Man 2, Avengers (even though Whedon is garbage, RDJ and Hulk carry it) and Winter Soldier. Oh, and I like Spider-Man homecoming and far from home. The rest? IMO … vastly overrated trash.
 
Everything except for Iron Man, Iron Man 2, Avengers (even though Whedon is garbage, RDJ and Hulk carry it) and Winter Soldier. Oh, and I like Spider-Man homecoming and far from home. The rest? IMO … vastly overrated trash.
lol. well, I appreciate you reading my entire OP (if that's what you actually did) even though I wrote it almost a decade ago. I'll just comment on the movies that you mentioned.

IM1 - masterpiece, the MCU was off to a great start, this movie is still in the top 5 best movies of the MCU if not top 5 solo films of the franchise
IM2 - I disagree, it sucked. probably one of the worst films of the MCU.
Av1 - I know Whedon is controversial, but I thought the film itself was great. just like IM1, it's a masterpiece and in the top 5 of the MCU for me for ensemble/crossover films
Cap2 - I am not even a Captain America fan, and I loved that movie. I remember watching the first trailer for the movie and was originally drawn into it. Masterpiece, top 5 of the MCU like IM1
HC/FFH - both of these films are meh to me. Not that they are bad, but before NwH it just felt like the MCU Spider-Man films were like Iron Man spinoff films instead of their own titles. and I don't even mind the mentorship element of these films, it's about all the other Iron Man mythos involved in them. NwH on the other hand, I've said many times I'll always hold a special place in my heart for it because it was the first movie date between me and my now wife, but the movie itself is also just meh for different reasons but it excelled in what it said out to do (nostalgic fan service).
 
Hmm I'm not gonna list down all the films I liked. But over all, with 34 released films under their belt, MCU as a whole is still much better than FoxVerse, DCU, SSU and any superhero movie franchise.

Yes, there are glaring issues but with that amount of movies released, it could have been much worse.

We aren't gonna get a more extensive superhero movie franchise like this one again in our lifetime. Unless another studio could release 50 superhero movies under the same continuity, in a span of 10 years.
 
Iron Man 2 is insanely underrated. Way better than the third and basically any other character in the collective franchises solo character sequels with the exception of Cap WS which is way better than the first one. Sam Rockwell was hilarious. Rourke is effective enough. RDJ is in his peak form. Not great like the OG just very very underrated. It’s solid. More disappointing in the moment coming off the heels of the original and having to live up to it just two quick years later. Probably should have given it another year to flesh it out and release it the same year as Thor, and Cap.
 
How Rhodey has been in the MCU for over 15 years and still written as a one-dimensional character. Most interesting thing about him was his injury.
 
How Rhodey has been in the MCU for over 15 years and still written as a one-dimensional character. Most interesting thing about him was his injury.
Which was practically a non-issue in Infinity War and Endgame. Though whether that takes on a new context in light of Secret Invasion remains to be seen.
 
And see, that really makes me question why a War Machine movie should even exist in mid-2020s.
 
Iron Man 2 is insanely underrated.
Hard disagree. IM2 sucked and is rated exactly where it should be.
Way better than the third and basically any other character in the collective franchises solo character sequels with the exception of Cap WS which is way better than the first one.
IM3 has its issues but I would still say it's better. I wouldn't even say IM2 is better than Black Panther 2 or FFH either. Even Dr. Strange 2. All of these solo character sequels range from either okay to disappointing to me, and I'd still watch all of them first before IM2.
Sam Rockwell was hilarious. Rourke is effective enough. RDJ is in his peak form.
Rockwell sucked, he was a throwaway villain, they turned him into a joke we weren't even supposed to take seriously and they made him American instead of British. Rourke isn't effective enough as a main antagonist either. He could have been if there was a showdown between him & Black Widow since they're both Russian and know hand to hand combat.

RDJ is in his peak form, but that doesn't help the movie's case at all.
Not great like the OG just very very underrated. It’s solid.
Nah, it just sucked. It's not solid, it was one of the worst movies of the MCU before its current flop era.
More disappointing in the moment coming off the heels of the original and having to live up to it just two quick years later. Probably should have given it another year to flesh it out and release it the same year as Thor, and Cap.
The timing of the movie was fine. If anything, the fact that Iron Man got to have two films in one phase and got his third film immediately when the second phase began just made the narrative seem like he was somehow more important in the MCU than the other major characters.

However, this thread is about what you dislike about the MCU, so you are of course entitled to your opinion.
 

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