What is with the Marvel movie negativity?

Discussion in 'Marvel Films' started by Ryancara, May 12, 2006.

  1. Ryancara Registered

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    Is it just me or does there seem to be a lot of *****ing going on about all of the Marvel movies (past and future) being made? Even the billion dollar franchise Siderman has its haters (enough about the Goblin costume!).

    We are in the golden age of Marvel movies. A few bombs and it will all be over (does anyone remember the barren Marvel movie landscape of the 1970s and 1980s?). These are B movies meant to appeal to a general audience and changes have to be made in order to get these movies made. The general audience could care less that Bullseye looks different then is comic book counterpart. They just want to have fun. I've even heard people say that Ghost Rider is a bomb and it hasn't even been issued yet!!

    Everyone should just relax and enjoy what is being produced. The bad thing about Hollywood is that it runs in cycles. A few years from now when Hollywood moves onto the next big thing all we will have left are Marvel movie DVDs.
     
  2. Isildur´s Heir Registered

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    You lost me at Siderman...


    ....and the "These are B movies meant to appeal to a general audience and changes have to be made in order to get these movies made.", didn´t helped either
     
  3. Sardaukar Registered

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    No offense, but people like you are why movies (not just superhero movies) today are so bad. You're exactly the kind of audience that the studios want...an audience that will eat up pulp like Catwoman, Elektra, and FF-no questions asked.
     
  4. Ironfan72 Golden Avenger

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    You can't please everyone, there are people on this planet who take great pleasure in complaining about anything and everything, they find fault in the smallest place's, you just have to tune them out.
    I do my best not to complain about something unless its brutally clear that it needs something said, Catwomen, Batman and Robin horrible movies, but they have they're audience that liked them, good for them.
     
  5. echostation Registered

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    Daredevil - had the potential to be Marvel's Batman franchise... could've been a kick ass properly done R-rated trilogy and gotten a totally new kick ass film fan base outside of the comics easily if done right

    Fantastic Four - sucked sucked sucked... could've been like Begins... imagine if batman begins turned out to be like FF... FF is a classic family, it deserves a CLASSIC Treatment... that comes with either Columbus or Pete Segal.. not Tim "I'll use FF for my experimental **** up playground to toy with special effects since i din't know how to do jack.. oh yeah and eff up the dialogs and action" Story.

    X-3 - kill Cyclops... Dark Phoenix saga without him... NO... as lex says... WRONG.

    Elektra - need I say more

    There is much good reason to ***** about marvel movies if you look at how these three are all linked... what was that? Mr Rothman and the nard-slappin lickers at Fox??
     
  6. echostation Registered

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    that should be 4 movies... i even unintentionally cut Mr Rothman and the bastard Fox execs some slack by saying three...

    hell they're not even movies... they're just 4 big piles of turd
     
  7. hippie_hunter The King is Back!

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    I liked Fantastic Four :(
     
  8. echostation Registered

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    it was barely entertaining... i mean look at how it deserved to get treated

    imagine your favorite superhero who you want that level of kick assery from in the form of film, just being likable, barely likable and barely entertaining like the FF.

    FF was a sheer disappointment... it wasn't relatively BAD per say but it was such a disappointment that it should be categorized in the bad film area because of sheer lack of creativity, poor dialogs and SFX were just awful relative to what SFX houses are capable... the stretchy effects were some of the worst i've seen. The technical style, form of the film and production values were very poor given a hollywood style budget... the cinematography was also poor and lacked any scope, lighting was terrible, the film has a derivative, already dated wannabe hip look... it's you weekend special nothing more

    FF deserves the kind of thing X-2 and Begins and the first superman got... the royal treatment...
     
  9. The Batman The Dark Knight

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    echo got it....

    Marvel hasnt truly had a hit since spider-man 3...and it looks like X3 ill be another FF....
     
  10. Isildur´s Heir Registered

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    FF doesn´t deserve a more royal treatment than anyother comic book movie, and, with that in mind, what i´m saying it, everyone should have the royal treatment.

    And, what with Daredevil being a R-rated trilogy?
    Why R-rated?? :confused:
     
  11. echostation Registered

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    heck you can make it PG-13 if you want... but i'd prefer a hard R for a Daredevil movie
     
  12. captainmarvel Registered

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    Personally I am of the opinion that since Blade, Marvel hasn't done a bad movie yet (I even liked Man Thing, although I would have liked to see more of the creature). I heard somewhere that FF 2 might have Galactus in it. If they can manage to nail that, maybe the complainers will finally shut up. The thing about FF is this: as with the first film in any series, it had to set up who all the players are. It seems to be difficult to do that for a general audience who know nothing AND please the fanboys who already know everything. Bryan Singer has said that X2 was the movie he wanted to make in the first place, but before he could, he had to let a non-fan audience know who the characters were, hence X1. Looking at X1 now, it does seem kind of like a B movie, but at the time it was the coolest thing I had ever seen and even my mom (who knew nothing) thought it was good, so I guess it did its job (although she still hasn't seen X2 yet due to not having the time). She liked FF and The Punisher too, so there ya go. I guess what I'm trying to say is, don't hate Marvel Films for trying to reach a wider audience because it appears to be working (if they can reach my mom, they can reach anybody). Think about it. If Marvel hadn't found success with their films, we'd never have gotten Batman Begins, Hellboy or Sin City so we all owe them a HUGE debt of gratitude (which I repay by seeing all their films theatrically and then buying the dvds). BTW, something no one has mentioned is that now that Marvel is doing direct to dvd animated films perhaps we'll finally see some quality product made more for the fans i.e. Ultimate Avengers (which is one of my fave Marvel movies).
     
  13. Ryancara Registered

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    ...Starting with Blade, I think that Hollywood has finally "gotten it" when it comes to Super Hero movies. With the exception of Catwoman (and even that film still managed to make some people happy), all of the Super Hero movies released to date have not been that bad (but according to some "fanboys" they are the worse movies ever made).

    I remember reading on these very boards how Hulk, Constantine, Daredevil, Spiderman, X men, Elektra, etc, were all going to suck months and sometimes years before they were released! Why? Do we want these movies to fail? Are we so possessive of our beloved comics that we do not want anyone else (the rest of the world) intruding on our little comic book world (and believe me it is small)?

    Is anyone else tired of hearing how Ghost Rider is going to suck? How X-men last stand is going to suck? How (place any super hero movie title here) is going to suck?

    What do you think??
     
  14. Ryancara Registered

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    Perfect post! You hit in on the head!
     
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    Well, Tobey was in The Cider House Rules. :p
     
  16. Mrh7448 I am not a Side Kick

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    To me the problem is when they start changing the base stories. Like they did in the Hulk, they turned it into something way to complex with the genetic manipulation his father and all that crap. They should have kept it simple. The same with DD I mean really this kid is gonna run around roof tops and train himself? I don't think so they needed to add the mentor in there. With FF I didn't mind as much except for what they did with Doom, it just seemed very lame.
     
  17. D'Artagnan Registered

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    I disagree with absolutely everything you said.

    1. These are multi-million dollar A movies. Not B movies. The 1989 Punisher is a B movie. Movies with huge budgets, huge stars, huge directors, state of the art effects and huge releases are NOT B MOVIES.

    2. Why should people like the Spider-Man franchise just because it has made a lot of money? :confused:

    3. "Everyone should just relax and enjoy what is being produced." :confused:
    Making an enjoyable movie is HARD, not easy. If a movie is crap, then it's crap. If people don't like a movie, they don't like it, you can't force people to enjoy some thing just because YOU think it's made in the spirit of harmless fun.

    Dude, the posters here want GOOD MARVEL MOVIES, NOT FUN, THROWAWAY ENTERTAINMENT.
     
  18. Ryancara Registered

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    Your kidding me right? These movies are light, disposable fun. They are made to entertain the masses not the 100,000 or so comic book readers who nitpick them to death. A budget has nothing to do with a A or B movie. Broke Back Mountain was made on a shoestring budget is that considered a B movie?

    Marvels very survival is based upon the success or failure of these movies. Do you think that they start out saying, "hey, lets make the worse Super Hero movie ever". No, they say lets make a movie that respects its source material BUT will appeal to a mass audience.
     
  19. Hellion Oppa Is Here

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    Ditto, I actually enjoyed all the Fox/Marvel films.
     
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    I think the post-Blade Marvel movies, for the most part, have been pretty entertaining. There have a been a few missteps along the way, but even those aren't all that bad.

    My Favorites:

    The Blade (Blade 1 & 2), Spider, and X movies have been pretty top tier.

    X-Men one was a little underwhelming & Spider-Man 2 had some dragging spots, but overall these franchises haven't shown any signs of fatigue.

    Fantastic Four was a good popcorn movie. It might be blasphemy to say, but I enjoyed it better than Batman Begins.

    Punisher and Daredevil weren't bad. And neither was Elektra.

    The Hulk was a misstep, but it is watchable. And I admit Blade Trinity is watchable too.
     
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    you should be sad then.

    Elektra was even worse.

    Not because the properties weren't translated properly, not because the films looked terrible, not because the acting seems awful -
    When you've POOR writing, POOR directing and POOR planning on films you're left with not much. Entertained? By what? The idea that a character you cherish is up on the big screen. If yes, then Batman & Robin must've been tight to you too. Otherwise, what we're talking about here is BAD movies. There's nothing redeeming about any of the features like FF, Elektra or Punisher. All of those films looked and felt like a daytime soap with poop acting. The scripts were so awful that when I sat in the theatre watching them I had to look around in awe to see if anyone else was disgusted like me. I simply coudn't believe that writing like that was still used in todays films. Then I saw Poseidon and I now assume that NorthAm audiences are truly dumb and that's why it goes on. How this gets greenlit I'll not know. I find myself insulted by the studios with these movies.
     
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    :confused: NO MOVIE begins with a company saying, "Let's make the worst movie ever." Obviously not. Does that redeem a bad movie in your eyes? Because it wasn't supposed to be bad?

    Budget has a lot to do with B or A movie status. B movies were cheaply cranked out during the studio system years, with low budgets, lower scale stars, etc. Brokeback Mountain was a major release, with a big name director, two stars and a famous supporting cast.

    B-Movies are the sort of crap that goes straight to DVD and stars Jean-Claude Van Damme, or Christopher Lambert. NOT movies like X2 and Spider-Man.
     
  23. TheVileOne Registered

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    The majority of the cinematic output have been huge disappointments it's that simple.

    I still don't see any sequels for The Hulk, Daredevil, or The Punisher in sight.
     
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    hmm. I for one couldn't care less about how much they make or how deep they are but how entertained I am by them. For me it's always about just sitting back and enjoying yourself. Which is why I'm always shocked when I come here to see exagerated claims of "omg! it sucks!". I didn't even notice all the bad things about Fantastic Four till I came here honestly and at times I wish I wasn't a member of this site because I would probably enjoy these movies more. I loved Daredevil and came out of it with a smile on my face and know plenty of other people who did as well. Same for Hulk.

    ...I think what it is though is that when you're a fan, you are used to things being a certain way. Especially after years and years of investing into these characters. Sometimes you even dream of seeing these great stories brought to the big screen and when there are dramatic changes or the story is not told right...well...you'll be a little peeved because you know how much potential it had and that it was wasted...Fortunately for me I seperate the two. :D I figure take the movie for what it is and enjoy yourself. You can always go back to the comic for what you liked. Treat the movie like it's own deal...
     
  25. captainmarvel Registered

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    I agree. What people here don't seem to realize is that Marvel is a BUSINESS first and foremost and, as with any business, one of their primary goals is to make money. If Marvel totally ignored the general public and only made movies for the longtime fans, they wouldn't make very much money because there simply aren't enough of us to make such a movie a financial success. Marvel had to make a choice to try and go for both a fan and non-fan audience and given that, I think they've done spectacularly well so far. Take "The Punisher" as a for instance. The audience I saw it with seemed to really enjoy the film a great deal, but I doubt that most of them had any knowledge of the character going in and probably opted to see it because it looked good in the ads. However, I bet that after they saw the movie, at least some of them went out and looked at the comics to see more of what thet enjoyed in the theater, thus bringing more people into the fold. You see? There is a method to Marvel's madness, even if most fans can't seem to see it.
     

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