The Amazing Spider-Man What needs to be fixed the second time around?

[MessiahDecoy123]

What are things you never liked about Sam Raimi's Spider-man movies and hope they fix the second time around?

poll coming soon.

 

[Aesop Rocks]

Green Goblin needs his traditional suit. Not a green armored suit.

 

[Van Petrol]

Web-shooters as opposed to organic webbing? I'm not too sure where I am on that.

 

[The Joker]

- No sympathetic angles for villains like Doc Ock.
- No more "All about a girl" rubbish. MJ, Gwen, or any other girl should not be the focal point in Peter's life.
- No more personal connections between hero and villain, aside from the Osborns.
- Less damsel in distress in the movie climaxes.
- Spidey needs to quip more, and generally talk more.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

A lot.

 

[Majik1387]

Organic works better for film

 

[I Am The Bat]

Web-shooters as opposed to organic webbing? I'm not too sure where I am on that.

YESSSSSS That needs to be done to convey Parker's intelligence more!

 

[terry78]

My only gripe was the mute Spidey. He is a chatterbox during fights, that's just how it is. I don't care if it comes off campy, that is what the character does.

 

[Immortalfire]

Make Spidey talk, and don't have him gushing and moping about the girl so much.

 

[I Am The Bat]

- No sympathetic angles for villains like Doc Ock.
- No more "All about a girl" rubbish. MJ, Gwen, or any other girl should not be the focal point in Peter's life.
- No more personal connections between hero and villain, aside from the Osborns.
- Less damsel in distress in the movie climaxes.
- Spidey needs to quip more, and generally talk more.

What are you talking about... The only point that doesn't seem absolutely ridiculous is the bantering that needs to increase between Spidey and his enemies...

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Organic works better for film

Have you seen a movie with Peter Parker calibrating mechanical webshooters and testing web formula for different villains like Electro and Sandman?

 

[Majik1387]

There was an idea mentioned a while back with having an opening of Spidey taking on a lesser villain(that's not worth a whole movie) to kick off the movie.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I'll ask the same question that I ask in the Spectacular Spiderman threads. Why do people believe Gwen Stacy has to be introduced only to die? She doesn't have to die and everything that happened in the comics don't need to happen. But to make it clear, it's the only option the poll I dislike.

 

[Majik1387]

It's not that if introduced she has to die, it's just that her death was one of the greater story arcs, so death tends to be attached. I wouldn't want it for a first movie though. Build up the relationship before destroying it so it doesn't feel cheap or forced.

 

[The Joker]

What are you talking about... The only point that doesn't seem absolutely ridiculous is the bantering that needs to increase between Spidey and his enemies...

Yeah, you're in a minority on that one. That's one of MANY complaints people have about Raimi's flicks.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

I'll ask the same question that I ask in the Spectacular Spiderman threads. Why do people believe Gwen Stacy has to be introduced only to die? She doesn't have to die and everything that happened in the comics don't need to happen.

Introducing Gwen would be like bringing in Jason Todd. They don't have to die, but it's a big ****ing elephant in the room. We're talking humongous.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

It's not that if introduced she has to die, it's just that her death was one of the greater story arcs, so death tends to be attached. I wouldn't want it for a first movie though. Build up the relationship before destroying it so it doesn't feel cheap or forced.

I get the feeling that even if a relationship is build up it would feel forced because it happens in the comics. If they would kill of Gwen Stacy I hope they don't make it the exact same situation.

 

[I Am The Bat]

Yeah, you're in a minority on that one. That's one of MANY complaints people have about Raimi's flicks.

Then you are defiling what most of the SM has been about since Amazing Fantasy 15...

1) There was an OUTRAGE when Joe Quesada ****ed JMS over when they "rebooted" the comic book series when Joe Quesada got sick of the story "centering" around a girl...

2) To say that there should be no personal connection between Parker and his villains is defeating the whole "this responsibility is too heavy for me/ethical dilemma" part of the story... So you are saying that there shouldn't be a connection between The Lizard and Parker? or Doc Ock and Parker? That is absurd. The BEST villains are ones that have personal connection with the hero. I agree, however, the plot behind Sandman being the "murder" of uncle ben is too much, as with the sentimental card they played with him, but that was SM3 and that movie was crap.

3) Parker's entire life is about a girl... HELL Quesada and JMS used that notion to reset the series... Parker brought his aunt back at the cost of their 'true love' that comes along 'once in every 1000 years' or something like that. By getting rid of this, you get rid of the whole - I can't tell anyone my secret because my enemies will come after them - storyline, which is a big selling point.

I highly doubt that I'm in the minority of your suggestion to get rid of all of these potential story lines... What is left? 'My name is Peter Parker; Ouch - A bully just beat me up; FIELD TRIP; Ouch - A spider just bit me; Hey I don't need glasses anymore; Look there is some costume guy robbing the bank. I'll stop him; HA! I defeated the crazy that dressed up in a Rhino uniform to rob a bank; ... and done.

Best spiderman film ever...

 

[Dark_Lord]

There was an idea mentioned a while back with having an opening of Spidey taking on a lesser villain(that's not worth a whole movie) to kick off the movie.

I could see the movie starting with Spider-Man fighting Shocker (or someone else) and then have a flashback or whatever, showing Spider-Man's origin. That's if they don't do a full origin.

As for web shooters. I actually prefer organic webbing for the movies, but I could see Parker (someone already suggested this) creating web shooter to control the webbing.

 

[storyteller]

I honestly don't want to have a predictable storyline. Look I get some of you guys want to see everything on the big screen. But like the multiple retelling's of A Christmas Carol, certain things don't need to be retold again. I don't want to see Gwens death by the goblin. I don't want to expect a character to die because thats what happened in the comics.


That being said.

Spiderman is not about a girl. Its about a guy who could live a normal life if it werent for him being spiderman. Mj needs to be hot at every angle(I should not question if the dinner she eats stays in her system). Now if they are doing the highschool thing. Please resist the urge to cast people 30 years old. Cast some 18 year olds for 16. Kick ass shows us you can get the actors close enough to the age while also being out of school and also looking the part.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Introducing Gwen would be like bringing in Jason Todd. They don't have to die, but it's a big ****ing elephant in the room. We're talking humongous.

Haha when you said I immediately thought of Deadpool walking in a scene saying confusingly, "you aren't supposed to be here."

 

[Kurosawa]

Mechanical webshooters (although not a dealbreaker),

Spidey needs to be an iconoclast and needs his sense of humor back,

Needs moar Doc Ock.

Movie needs to have a more funky, off-center vibe.

The robber needs to be Uncle Ben's killer.

And KEEP THE ****ING MASK ON!

 

[The Joker]

Then you are defiling what most of the SM has been about since Amazing Fantasy 15...

Hahaha, no they're not.

1) There was an OUTRAGE when Joe Quesada ****ed JMS over when they "rebooted" the comic book series when Joe Quesada got sick of the story "centering" around a girl...

How can you even compare the two? This reboot is a brand new universe that has NOTHING to do with Raimi's movies.

Queseda's reboot had Peter sell out his marriage for a universal mind wipe to save Aunt May and keep his identity a secret from the world.

Apples and oranges.

2) To say that there should be no personal connection between Parker and his villains is defeating the whole "this responsibility is too heavy for me/ethical dilemma" part of the story... So you are saying that there shouldn't be a connection between The Lizard and Parker? or Doc Ock and Parker? That is absurd.

No, not with Lizard, because that was in the comics, as was the one with the Osborns. I'm talking about ones with Doc Ock, Sandman etc.

They're not needed.

The BEST villains are ones that have personal connection with the hero.

Not true at all. Most of Spidey's villains have no personal connections to him, and they all work superbly. Same with Batman. The Joker had no personal connection to Batman in TDK, and it was terrific. Joker simply became obsessed with Batman the more he got to know him.

3) Parker's entire life is about a girl

No, it most certainly is not.

You are 100% wrong there. Peter's life is all about Spider-Man, and using his great power with great responsibility.

Girls have nothing to do with it. Go back and read Amazing Fantasy #15, and find me the passage that states Spidey's life revolves around a girl.

Yeeesh!

HELL Quesada and JMS used that notion to reset the series

When you use JMS and Queseda as back up for your arguement, you know you're in trouble

I highly doubt that I'm in the minority of your suggestion to get rid of all of these potential story lines

No, you definitely are. That poll didn't come out of thin air. People have been wanting those things for years.

And with the reboot, we just may get them at last.

What is left? 'My name is Peter Parker; Ouch - A bully just beat me up; FIELD TRIP; Ouch - A spider just bit me; Hey I don't need glasses anymore; Look there is some costume guy robbing the bank. I'll stop him; HA! I defeated the crazy that dressed up in a Rhino uniform to rob a bank; ... and done.

Best spiderman film ever...

If you think that's all there is to Spider-Man's world, you clearly haven't read enough comics. The drama from high school years alone is enough to make an entire movie out of. And that was done in 20 minutes of SM-1.

 

[Closerframe]

1. Menacing villain(s), none of that sympathetic crap
2. More Spider-Man less Peter Parker
3. Mary Jane isn't an annoying **** who's only concern is her personal career
4. Organic webs (please keep)
5. Spider-Man keeps his mask on, and his identity isn't discovered by most of the people in the film

 

[cerealkiller182]

I say

Doc Ock remains evil and alive. Making Doc Ock redeemable was sappy especially his little speech. I would much rather have Ock be a mad scientist driven to succeed. He should have killed himself trying to keep the experiment going.

Spidey needs banter. Toby was emo way before the symbiote and it hurt the entertainment level of the films.

Spidey's mask needs to stay on. That is superheroics 101. C'mon