What should the Avengers movie be about/based on?

[FaT_tONle]

Post your premises for the Avengers movie... I personally would like them to base it more on the Ultimates. Maybe take a few elements of civil war as well since we will probably never get a Marvel cross over of this magnitude ever again. I like the original issues but I just don't think a live action take based the later Avengers issues will be received well in a major live action feature. Villains like Barron Zemo and the Masters of Evil should stay far far away from this... I think the plot needs to be as realistic as possible. here is my quick premise:

The movie starts of with the location of Captain America's preserved body, which is pinned down by Nick Fury and other S.H.I.E.L.D agents. The S.H.I.E.L.D assembles a team of the Hulk, Iron Man, Thor, and Giant Man to recover the body. After an encounter with Namor the Submariner, Captain America's body is recovered. He is shortly revived by the Giant-Man's formula and the Avengers are esembled to combat extrodinary threats to the world... the team includes Iron Man, Giant-Man, Wasp, and Captain America. Banner is upset that his formula was rejected and goes uderground to try and synthesize a new type of formula.

Maria Mill, director of the S.H.I.E.L.D, is upset that Captain America and the Avengers are getting too powerful and wants to keep the Avengers in check. She calls Bruce Banner and tells him she a team of scientists interested in creating the ultimate super human formula. Banner leaves the team after Captain America takes over the Avengers and continues his research with Mill and her team of scientists. The scientists mix in a super reactive ingredient with Banner's serum(without Banner's knowing) before Banner tests his new serum of himself. The Hulk goes mad and starts going on a rampage in NYC killing many people. The Avengers get to action, this time with the aid of Thor as well, and subdue the Hulk after a long, and brutal battle.

Mill uses the Hulk's actions as an opportunity to instate the Super Human Registration Act. She forces Fury to step down from his position, blaming both Fury for funding Giant-Man's research, and fabricates evidence that it was Giant-Man's formula that was responsible for the Hulk's rampage. She quickly turns the tables on the Avengers... sparking an all out war on both sides. The team is split up as Giant-Man, Captain America, and Thor go underground. Iron Man... still injured from the battle with the Hulk is divided and is unsure where his allegiance lies, and Bruce Banner escapes S.H.I.E.L.D custody shortly there after. Mill rallies more and more proponents on her side. The Avengers are faced with a hard reality. They must either unite and fight the opposition against the new government mandates on them, or fight their personal battles and fall one by one.

 

[CaptainCanada]

It should be based on the 616 Avengers. They should fight actual villains, not the Hulk, or each other, or the government.

Depending on how the various solo projects are produced, that will affect the choice of villain; Cap will fight the Red Skull in his solo film, Iron Man has the Mandarin, Thor presumably will have Loki; they should use a different villain for the big picture. I think something similar to "Ultron Unlimited" would have the kind of scope you'd be looking for; a whole country massacred as the prelude; however, the Ant-Man film has Scott Lang in the present, and Pym in the past, so that would require some changes in the adaptation of Busiek's story.

For the character, the films have Cap, Iron Man, and Thor, plus Ant-Man (whatever version of him); you obviously need a woman or two as well, but I'd keep the cast fairly small (right from the start, you've already got the leads from four films); depending on how Ant-Man goes, Wasp (at least, the traditional version) might be unavailable; Ms. Marvel is an obvious choice.

 

[3dman27]

It should be based on the 616 Avengers. They should fight actual villains, not the Hulk, or each other, or the government.

Depending on how the various solo projects are produced, that will affect the choice of villain; Cap will fight the Red Skull in his solo film, Iron Man has the Mandarin, Thor presumably will have Loki; they should use a different villain for the big picture. I think something similar to "Ultron Unlimited" would have the kind of scope you'd be looking for; a whole country massacred as the prelude; however, the Ant-Man film has Scott Lang in the present, and Pym in the past, so that would require some changes in the adaptation of Busiek's story.

i understand the villian in iron man the movie has been changed to obediah stane aka the iron monger due to political correctness concerns why can't the avenger fight the hulk isn' that howthey were formed in the first place

 

[FaT_tONle]

If they do Loki or Namor to open it up I am cool with that... thats how it started... but they shouldn't be the main villains.... Zemo teaming up with some cheezy villains is stupid IMO... I think the primary villains should be humans opposing the avengers... not alien invasions from outer space.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

If they do Loki or Namor to open it up I am cool with that... thats how it started... but they shouldn't be the main villains.... Zemo teaming up with some cheezy villains is stupid IMO... I think the primary villains should be humans opposing the avengers... not alien invasions from outer space.

They CAN'T use Namor...his movie rights belong to Universal...

 

[CaptainCanada]

why can't the avenger fight the hulk isn' that howthey were formed in the first place

No. They formed to fight Loki; Hulk was a member.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Hulk still fought against the Avengers on many occassions... i actually like the first several issues of the Ultimates... as a matter of fact... those comics were outlined in such a way that a live action movie could be adapted from them... and the mutated Hulk was the first major threat. Hulk wasn't a villain exactly... it was a botched experiment. That also centers around 616 Fury.... and if Sam Jackson is playing him... it should be based on the ultimates. They already released animated films based on those comics for good reason. Don't rule out Namor as well... he won't be in FF4... and Universal might can the project if they can't get it going... they'd be wise to give it back to Marvel... Namor can't work in a film by himself.

 

[CaptainCanada]

Don't rule out Namor as well... he won't be in FF4... and Universal might can the project if they can't get it going... they'd be wise to give it back to Marvel... Namor can't work in a film by himself.

They've already attached a director and scheduled it for next year, so I doubt it's getting cancelled.

 

[FaT_tONle]

They've already attached a director and scheduled it for next year, so I doubt it's getting cancelled.

Well considering Avengers is probably a good six years away... there is plenty of time for Marvel to buy back the rights if they feel the need to do so.

 

[Spider-Fan]

For me, it depends on if Cap is in the modern days yet or not.

 

[JediMasterConor]

go by the Ultimates

 

[DawnWarrior]

A lot of it depends on how Captain America will be involved. And he MUST be involved. It will surely take a great deal of planning from the Marvel execs about how the Iron Man and Thor movies will flow into this one a well, if the Avengers movie would be a sort of sequel to all these franchises at once, and if they'd still all have sequels of their own.

They could start the movie with them finding Cap, or they could start it well after the Avengers have formed and just recount their formation in flashbacks. Again, it depends on the Cap movie. Remember, the original Avengers consisted of three scientists, one doctor, and a scientist's wife. I like the idea that they started off very loose, just lab-rats playing dress-up, but when Cap took command, he really turned them into a full-on super-hero team. I'd also play up the comeraderie that develops between Cap and Iron Man, despite their seemingly opposite natures (maybe subtly hinting at Civil War, but nothing too on-the-nose).

I think that Ultimates might be TOO realistic for me; I'd rather stick closer to the comics, particularly Eath's Mightiest Heroes with the team charter and so forth. I think I'd also do the Masters of Evil; pit everyone against one of their own Rogues' gallery. Rick Jones ought to have a spot in there. I don't see squeezing Namor in there, though.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Then again there was nothing bad with Batman Begins. I understand comic books are comic books and die hards want faithful adaptations but there are limitations with that kind of thinking. You can only go so far with sticking to the original issues while maintaining credibility. Aliens or super villains coming to destory the planet just isn't going to cut it. Movies like war of the worlds and independence day are well past their glory days. And I doubt Tranformers is going to have the legs either from some reviews I read. Aliens taking over the world just won't cut it in a JLA movie or an avengers film.

The good superhero movies these days always feature humans as antagonists... I think factions of the SHIELD or other government agencies can oppose the Avengers, ala Stryker in X-2... maybe have a couple of actual supervillains but there is no need to match every hero with a villain pound for pound... this isn't a video game.

 

[CaptainCanada]

Then again there was nothing bad with Batman Begins.

Batman Begins was a faithful adaptation of Batman's rogues gallery, who are mostly humans or "changed" humans.

Aliens or super villains coming to destory the planet just isn't going to cut it.
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Aliens taking over the world just won't cut it in a JLA movie or an avengers film.

Um, why? Those are very popular genres. One of the mainstays of the action movie.

I think factions of the SHIELD or other government agencies can oppose the Avengers, ala Stryker in X-2...

It's a matter of understanding the source material. The X-Men are suited for the realistic, muted world that Singer created, where they deal with other mutants and the government. The Avengers and the JLA are widescreen epics (which the X-Men also have); supervillains, planet-wide threats, people punching each other through buildings. Not more cliched "trust no one" stuff.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Um, why? Those are very popular genres. One of the mainstays of the action movie.

When was the last epic Sci Fi picture? I can't even think of any.

 

[3dman27]

war of the worlds the recent one that is

 

[FaT_tONle]

Not really epic... just the names in the movie really... Dakota, Cruise, Spielberg... thats the only reason people watched

 

[FaT_tONle]

I was also thinking about when they should actually release the film... there is one awesome way they can do it... I think the follow up to Iron Man (maybe Invincible Iron Man?) could some how be a lead in to the Avengers flick... first of all the SHIELD and Fury are being introduced in Iron Man itself so that could be an awesome way to do it. Ending Iron Man 2 on a semi cliff hanger. And since Iron Man will probably be the most successful of the big Four... it may be the only movie that warrants a sequel... I can't really see the Hulk, Thor, and C.A doing much better than Fantastic Four Numbers.... that way instead of making cheap sequels to each hero... they could make one mega budget ensemble flick which still includes the same actors from the solo films. Filming could begin shortly after they wrap up the Iron Man sequel... it could be ready for 2012 if thats the case... and the sooner an Avengers movie is out... the more likely the same actors from the solos will be involved... ala Downey Jr, Ed Norton, and whoever gets Thor and C.A... and you can always do the Might Thor, C.A 2, and Hulk sequels after the Avengers.

 

[Kvott]

I won't comment yet on which Avengers should be in the film. But I will comment on the villian.

Ultron.

And the reason is simple. Whenever you put heroes against robots....they can fully unleash their powers. If you put the avengers against other people, you have to temper them down.

If you want a movie where the heroes are all over the place, fighting against hordes and using powers in conjuction...put them against villians. Ultron would be great for this purpose.

 

[3dman27]

kvott makes sense there

 

[Artistsean]

the first Avenger movie should be all about the team getting together.
Setting up that its not just some characters foring a group, but its a bunch of very powerful, on their own, superheroes teaming up to form a supergroup.

They should get together in order to stop something bigger than each character alone. Somone like Loki, since he was the bad guy in the first comic. Or maybe Somone like Absorbing Man, but they shouldn't take away too much from the Avengers themselves.

I also think it should be a sort of tie into the other movies. (the third sequal to Iron Man being the Avengers film, while the second movie of Captain America and Ant Man is the Avengers film. The one Avengers film is the sequal to those character's various movies.)

Let me see if I can explain it better, I feel like I am just being confussing.

Iron Man 1, then Iron Man 2, the Iron Man 3 is called "the Avengers"
Captain America 1, then Captain America 2 is called "the Avengers"

let me know if I am just being too confusing, cause I am not sure if I am making sence.

 

[Roughneck]

The Avengers movie should be about a day unlike any other.