Comics What up with Venom on the last page of Civil War # 4?

[sean61675]

They gave him eyes within the eyes. It looked like a really bad Spawn rip off. Anyone else notice that?

 

[The Joker]

What do you expect, it's Gargan-Venom.

 

[Dangerous]

They gave him eyes within the eyes. It looked like a really bad Spawn rip off. Anyone else notice that?

Thats what Venom looks like these days.

 

[sean61675]

Thats what Venom looks like these days.

Okay, what did I miss? I'm back after two years.

 

[Dangerous]

Basically Brock gets cancer and decides to auction the symbiote off to the highest bidder in a Super Villain auction, hahahha.

A mob boss buys it, and gives it to his son who is a *****.
The symbiote ends up abandoning it's new host (Angelo Fortunato aka VenomII) because he runs during a fight w/ Spidey, as a result Fortunato becomes human sidewalk pizza.

Mr Symbiote then tracks down Mac Gargan as he was about to don his new Scorpion threads created by the Green Goblin, and makes him a better offer.
Enter VenomIII who goes off and battles Spidey, loses and ends up in Rykers.

Some time later VenomIII gets outside Rykers walls (as yet it is unknown how exactly this happened) and is transported to outer space by the Beyonder and kills a Spider-man poser in the form of a space phantom. VenomIII eventually winds up back on earth and involved in the Civil War.

That’s about it, since the symbiote first jumped host to Fortunato, the look of the costume has been different. Including the eyes within eyes look, and an altered Spider design on Venoms chest.
Right now it looks more like a Scorpion, oddly enough.

 

[sean61675]

Basically Brock gets cancer and decides to auction the symbiote off to the highest bidder in a Super Villain auction, hahahha.

A mob boss buys it, and gives it to his son who is a *****.
The symbiote ends up abandoning it's new host (Angelo Fortunato aka VenomII) because he runs during a fight w/ Spidey, as a result Fortunato becomes human sidewalk pizza.

Mr Symbiote then tracks down Mac Gargan as he was about to don his new Scorpion threads created by the Green Goblin, and makes him a better offer.
Enter VenomIII who goes off and battles Spidey, loses and ends up in Rykers.

Some time later VenomIII gets outside Rykers walls (as yet it is unknown how exactly this happened) and is transported to outer space by the Beyonder and kills a Spider-man poser in the form of a space phantom. VenomIII eventually winds up back on earth and involved in the Civil War.

That’s about it, since the symbiote first jumped host to Fortunato, the look of the costume has been different. Including the eyes within eyes look, and an altered Spider design on Venoms chest.
Right now it looks more like a Scorpion, oddly enough.

I hate when I am out of the loop.

 

[Dangerous]

Also after a crappy attempt at killing himself via slashing his wrists,
Brock was found and now resides in hospital.
Ready and waiting for next year when Mr Quesada decides the time is right to use Brock as Venom again as a movie tie in sales device.
Lame.

 

[Dangerous]

Read Marvel Knights Spider-man #1-12, its mostly in there.
Then Beyond #1-3 (6 issue mini/#3 came out recently)
Then you will be up to date.

 

[The Lizard]

Ready and waiting for next year when Mr Quesada decides the time is right to use Brock as Venom again as a movie tie in sales device.
Lame.

Sad but true.

 

[WTFimVENOM]

Also after a crappy attempt at killing himself via slashing his wrists,
Brock was found and now resides in hospital.
Ready and waiting for next year when Mr Quesada decides the time is right to use Brock as Venom again as a movie tie in sales device.
Lame.

I still don't understand your love for Gargan Venom, and don't give me that "He killed Spiderman in Beyond" , that wasnt even SM it was a space ghost....
(No offense man, I just don't see how Brocks return could be lame in any way, even if it is a marketing ploy )

 

[GreenMamba]

I don't personally understand why so many people hate the new Venom.

 

[shinlyle]

I honestly have no problem with Gargan/Venom...I just liked him better as Scorpion.

As for Eddie's return to being Venom, I don't mind, but they had better make him an ACTUAL THREAT this time. Hell, he was out on the loose for how long the last time? And he wasn't trying to kill Spider-Man?! Lame.

Not as lame as bringing him back for marketing purposes, but lame nonetheless.

 

[Cyclops]

My question about Gargan-Venom is... shouldn't his strength be somewhere in like, Hulk-class? If the symbiote gave normal guy Eddie Brock Spider-Man powers, shouldn't it give "guy with Scorpion powers" Spider-Man powers ATOP Scorpion-powers?

Or am I just being too logical here?

 

[Dangerous]

I think you’re being too logical.

The way I have always understood it is that the symbiote takes the host's psyche and uses that for a blueprint in terms of how the power levels will manifest themselves.
It basically feeds off emotion.
Brock used to be obsessed w/ killing SM hence his level of hate made the symbiote/human paring really strong.
Mac is not as organised or focused as Brock used to be so this incarnation of Venom is not as powerful.

 

[Cyclops]

But what about his Scorpion powers? Everybody seems to forget that his powers don't come from the armor.

 

[Dangerous]

I still don't understand your love for Gargan Venom, and don't give me that "He killed Spiderman in Beyond" , that wasnt even SM it was a space ghost....
(No offense man, I just don't see how Brocks return could be lame in any way, even if it is a marketing ploy )

I don't love Gargan/Venom he is just more interesting than Eddie Brock who was written into a dead end and became all dried up.

I am aware he killed a SM poser in Beyond.
The reason Brock's return will be lame is because the character had totally run it's course and the writers had totally run out of ideas for him.
That's why he was hung up to dry in the first place, he had become stale, and no one knew what to do with him any more.
The reason his return will be lame is because it is highly likely that none of that will have changed when they bring him back as Venom, and it will only be happening as a merchandising ploy to tie in to his appearance in SM3.
And that my friend is Lame city.

 

[The Lizard]

But what about his Scorpion powers? Everybody seems to forget that his powers don't come from the armor.

This is true. I always thought that Gargan looked too scrawny in the MKSM storyline where he first got the Venom symbiote. Apparently Millar knew that Gargan was still able to climb walls and such without wearing the armor, so you'd think he would have appeared a bit more intimidating out of his armor.

 

[WTFimVENOM]

I don't love Gargan/Venom he is just more interesting than Eddie Brock who was written into a dead end and became all dried up.

I am aware he killed a SM poser in Beyond.
The reason Brock's return will be lame is because the character had totally run it's course and the writers had totally run out of ideas for him.
That's why he was hung up to dry in the first place, he had become stale, and no one knew what to do with him any more.
The reason his return will be lame is because it is highly likely that none of that will have changed when they bring him back as Venom, and it will only be happening as a merchandising ploy to tie in to his appearance in SM3.

So you think they ran out of ideas.... so they decided to make a new venom out of the scorpion....why, as a last resort??? I couldn't dissagree more srry If this happened to every villain when writers couldn't think of anything else to do with them at the time then we'd have GG running around with metal tentacles or maby Doc Oc Carnage!!! I mean, Doc oc is a very interesting character and Carnage has been way overused, so maby we can just put them together!! Fans will love it t:
Gargan/Venom destroys both ccharacters, I don't like him as Venom and he was much better as the Scorpion. I'd just rather have both originals back thank you very much.....

 

[Shin-Natsume]

So you think they ran out of ideas.... so they decided to make a new venom out of the scorpion....why, as a last resort??? I couldn't dissagree more srry If this happened to every villain when writers couldn't think of anything else to do with them at the time then we'd have GG running around with metal tentacles or maby Doc Oc Carnage!!! I mean, Doc oc is a very interesting character and Carnage has been way overused, so maby we can just put them together!! Fans will love it t:
Gargan/Venom destroys both ccharacters, I don't like him as Venom and he was much better as the Scorpion. I'd just rather have both originals back thank you very much.....

dock ock was once a woman (another version), in a game there was dock octocarnage (pc, n64 and psx), green goblin came back from the dead, another green goblin was once a hero... do i have to continue...?

 

[Dangerous]

So you think they ran out of ideas.... so they decided to make a new venom out of the scorpion....why, as a last resort??? I couldn't dissagree more srry

You don’t have to be sorry about your opinion.
That’s what were here for, to share them.
I don know if you are aware of this, but it was the original intention of David Michelinie (co-creator of Venom) that shortly after Venom’s initial appearances in ASM, the symbiote would jump hosts and bond w/ someone else. As it turned out Venom/Brock became mega popular in the early 90’s so Marvel directed Michelinie to keep the symbiote/Brock union in tact.

By 2004 the Venom/Brock character had suffered from bad/contradictory writing for a number of years, so I guess Marvel just wanted to clear the slate. And why not, the character was not going anywhere and each subsequent story made no sense in light of his previous exploits.
The writers/editorial decided to give him a hiatus until he could be effectively used.
Good idea if you ask me.

See, the Hype is littered w/ hundreds of Venom people, w/ handles like ‘Venom-Teeth’ and ‘Venom-spew’ and ‘Venom-Roxors’, (btw- I’m not saying that all of you are 15 yr old noobs who don know anything about continuity, hahahahah) but if you knew anything about the comics then you would know that it was best to put the character on Ice for a bit until a writer came along who knew what to do w/ him.

Personally I would say that Venom/Brock has run his course and we don need him in comics anymore.
The simple reason he was so potent in the beginning was that he was a real threat to PP’s life, probably the biggest focused threat on his existence since the Green Goblin.
Once Venom had failed to kill SM a few times, his threat/potency had worn off.
The character was nullified and pointless as he was no longer a real danger.
Once the readers knew Venom was not going to kill SM, Why carry on w/ it?
All it does is wear out/diminish/fade a once great legacy.
Like an old heavyweight boxer, long since past his prime yet unable to realise it’s over.

If this happened to every villain when writers couldn't think of anything else to do with them at the time then we'd have GG running around with metal tentacles or maby Doc Oc Carnage!!! I mean, Doc oc is a very interesting character and Carnage has been way overused, so maby we can just put them together!! Fans will love it t:

Let’s be serious, this would never happen.
The Venom/Brock situation was pretty unique because-

1) His powers are basically his suit which is alive, thus if the suit is removed from Brock they can basically be adhered to anyone the suit chooses to bond with.

2) Venom/Brock’s last few arcs made no sense in light of each other.
In ‘The Hunger’-SSM Vol2 #1-6 Brock was apparently bonded permanently w/ the symbiote at the end of the arc so that he could never be separated. Then in MKSM he decides he wants to auction it off. This should not have been possible, but at least the writers (or more specifically Millar) wanted to draw a line under all of what had gone before.

3)Finally like I said earlier, the symbiote was originally intended to jump host way back in the day.
So it’s not like it’s a stupid idea or makes no sense.
This is what the creators of Venom originally envisioned for him!

So making such comparisons as the one above just seem childish and inane.
Try thinking about what you are going to type before you type it.

Gargan/Venom destroys both ccharacters, I don't like him as Venom and he was much better as the Scorpion. I'd just rather have both originals back thank you very much.....

You don’t like Venom/Scorps fair enuf, but Venom had become whack and VenomIII was just a way of combining doing something interesting and fresh w/ Venom while harking back to what the symbiote was originally designed to do- jump hosts.

 

[SouLeSS]

I mean, Doc oc is a very interesting character and Carnage has been way overused, so maby we can just put them together!! Fans will love it t:

Carnage has only been in what, like 5 story arcs?

 

[kaaaaaaaaaa]

anyone want to post a scan of the pic?

 

[Randomhero984]

I don't understand the whole reason for Gargan/Venom, in Spectacular Spider-Man 1-6 they said that the Symbiote can can only merge once more and it will be for good. That's what the whole story was about, the suite wanted Parker, and not Brock. Spider-Man tricked the suite to merge with Brock for good, "condeming to cancer". I loved that arc and doing the whole "selling the Symbiote" and "Scorpion/Venom" was kind of a spit in the face at Paul Jenkins and Humberto Ramos.

 

[Nebins]

What's the proof that the Brock Venom is coming back? Joe Q only said the black costume is coming back and not necesarilly the symbiote.

 

[The Comedian]

What's the proof that the Brock Venom is coming back? Joe Q only said the black costume is coming back and not necesarilly the symbiote.

There is no official proof, but it is likely to happen because Marvel tends to change things to better suit the continuity of the movies on release so new reader brought in by the films won't be too confused.