Civil War What will be the ramifications of Civil War?

[Dark Raven]

What do you think will be the ramifications of Civil War for everyone?

Here is a thread to discuss some of these issues. A few questions are:

1. Will the Avengers and all superheroes have the same public perception as SHIELD at the end of CA:TWS?

2. Will there be a huge distrust of them everywhere? Will people think of them negatively? In the pilot of Agents of SHIELD, Deathlok's son is looking in a window of a toy store where there are action figures of the Avengers because the world had come to idolise them after the battle of New York. Will people no longer feel the same way?

3. Will Cap lose his legendary status as a symbol of good? Will he be seen as a leader people will want to follow? Will Steve Rogers even be alive or will Bucky take his place?

4. Will the general movie audience end up hating Iron Man as much as the fans did by the time the comic Civil War came to an end? Can Marvel afford to allow that to happen to RDJ given that he's their star player and in fact it was the films that saved the character of Iron Man?

5. What state will the Avengers be in by the time Infinity War comes round, given the aftermath of Civil War?

6. Will this probably shake up Agents of SHIELD yet again, similar to how Winter Soldier did for Season 1?

Feel free to add any other questions you may think of, as well as answering ones you see here.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I think Cap will die, to be honest.

 

[regnak]

I think Cap will die, to be honest.

Nah, when they did the adaptation for Graphic Audio Cap lived in the end(just went to jail). This will be changed even more. If Cap dies it will be in Infinity War 2.

 

[ThePhantasm]

We'll see, but I feel pretty confident in my prediction. Chris Evans has hinted that he might retire from acting after he's done with the character, and I get the feeling that his run might be one of the first of the "leads" to come to an end.

 

[Dark Raven]

Will anyone win the Civil War or will it be more like Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice where they are at odds with each other at the beginning but end up uniting against a common enemy by the end?

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Will anyone win the Civil War or will it be more like Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice where they are at odds with each other at the beginning but end up uniting against a common enemy by the end?

I suspect #2, because no way is Marvel going to make Iron Man unlikable, or pit Cap's popularity against Iron Man's.

 

[Shikamaru]

It would be a mistake to kill off Steve after TWS made him such a hit with the general public. That's only 2 years after the film. Plus it would be extremely disappointing to not have him be in the final battle with Thanos.

 

[drod1985]

Will anyone win the Civil War or will it be more like Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice where they are at odds with each other at the beginning but end up uniting against a common enemy by the end?

I really hope they have to team up in the end. My one fear about Civil War is Stark really being painted as an enemy, especially after his primary responsibility for Ultron. I have faith Marvel will find a way to spin both sides of this pretty evenly, and then unite Steve and Tony in a way that will set us up nicely for Infinity War.

It would be a mistake to kill off Steve after TWS made him such a hit with the general public. That's only 2 years after the film. Plus it would be extremely disappointing to not have him be in the final battle with Thanos.

Agreed, killing Steve in Civil War would be a huge mistake. But if there is some sort of exit or death I'm sure that Steve would have a triumphant return in Infinity War. I can't imagine a final battle with Thanos without our original six Avengers being involved.

 

[Lilbaz]

They can kill Steve at the end of Civil War. Then in Infinity Tony could use the time gem to go back and save Steve from assassination. Telling him about the threat of Thanos.

 

[Donnie Darko]

IF Steve Rogers is to die in a movie, it should be while taking Thanos down with him.

 

[drod1985]

They can kill Steve at the end of Civil War. Then in Infinity Tony could use the time gem to go back and save Steve from assassination. Telling him about the threat of Thanos.

I'd absolutely love to see this...if we hadn't already had 3 major death fake outs already. Coulson/Loki/Fury have ruined the back-from-the-death plot for everybody.

On the other hand, what good is a Time Stone if you don't use it for something meaningful? So it might as well be to bring back Cap. And you're right, Tony should be the person to do it.

 

[Dark Raven]

That would feel a bit too much like Star Trek Generations where Picard gets Kirk who is trapped in the Nexus to help him out against Soren. However, what would be the purpose of Tony bringing Steve back other than for personal reasons? How would Cap alone be a significant influence over the battle with Thanos? It's not like he's the most powerful person who would be able to stop him.

And if Tony were to use that, why not just go back to a point before the whole Civil War and Age of Ultron and change history so that none of this happens in the first place and Cap never dies? Also, they can alter events so that Thanos doesn't get the stones. It seems of not that much consequence if you've got a Time Stone just to bring Cap back but everything is still the same and they're still in the midst of a war with Thanos.

 

[Lilbaz]

That would feel a bit too much like Star Trek Generations where Picard gets Kirk who is trapped in the Nexus to help him out against Soren. However, what would be the purpose of Tony bringing Steve back other than for personal reasons? How would Cap alone be a significant influence over the battle with Thanos? It's not like he's the most powerful person who would be able to stop him.

And if Tony were to use that, why not just go back to a point before the whole Civil War and Age of Ultron and change history so that none of this happens in the first place and Cap never dies? Also, they can alter events so that Thanos doesn't get the stones. It seems of not that much consequence if you've got a Time Stone just to bring Cap back but everything is still the same and they're still in the midst of a war with Thanos.

The way I imagined it was that Cap dies at the end of Civil War.
In Avengers Infinity. The Guardians flee from Thanos to Earth. With them they have the time gem (the only gem Thanos hasn't got. Loki gave him the Scepter and Tesseract in Ragnarok). Iron Mans Avengers team joins them in fighting Thanos. They get their arses handed to them.
In a desperate act. Tony activates the time gem. Goes back and saves Steve. He tells him of the threat of Thanos then goes back to Thanos.
Thanos calls him a fool as the time gems power is too much for the human body and that he now had what he wanted. Taking the gem.
Tony tells him it was enough.
Then in comes Cap leading the rest of Earths heroes, as well as the Asgardians, Inhumans etc...
Thanos teleports away.
Steve goes over to Tony. Tony tells him that he was wrong and should have listened to Steve. blah blah
Steve tells Tony that they will Avenge him.
Tony dies.
This would be the end of part 1.

 

[Slushy]

I think Cap will die, to be honest.

Hopefully, better than the lame as Hell version in the comic.

 

[Heretic]

My guess is that Cap's team loses, which would pretty much be a first in superhero movie history that I know of where the title character loses the end fight. In fact...I think there's a possibility that Phase 3 will feature more than one movie where the hero doesn't exactly win in the end.

Tony forms The Illuminati (I guess him, Black Panther, Doctor Strange, Nick Fury and Hank Pym). They are "in control" of the superheroics in the world.

Thanos shows up, whoops the butts of the Illuminati...and Cap, his friends, Captain Marvel etc have to assemble to save the day in Part 2. Several people sacrifice their lives, and we get a united effort again in Phase 4 after a divided hero population for Phase 3.

 

[Big Green]

I think they will be fighting over whether what to do with Bucky, Tony will want some answers.

 

[cherokeesam]

I think they will be fighting over whether what to do with Bucky, Tony will want some answers.

It's too easy to get wrapped up in the whole murder of Stark's parents thing. Tony Stark isn't Bruce Wayne, or even Kal-El: his backstory and motivations have never been about avenging his parents. There's every indication that he was never on the best of terms with Daddy Howard, anyway. Yes, the fact that your team co-founder's best friend turns out to have, you know, murdered your parents back in the day is bound to be a topic of discussion between Cap and Tony, but when presented with that bombshell, Tony will also understand that Bucky was brainwashed by HYDRA. If Tony is after any sort of revenge at all, it would be against the bastards who *created* and manipulated Winter Soldier, not Winter Soldier himself.

You'd think that Tony Stark, of all people, would understand that better than anyone, what with having just created a murderous rampaging monster himself and all.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

As long as it has Winter Soldier in a badass action scene the movie will be great

 

[The Infernal]

I think Civil War will in part help facilitate a new roster of Avengers. With the talk of a different possible roster at the end of AoU I think Civil War may further that roster change.

 

[drod1985]

Tony will also understand that Bucky was brainwashed by HYDRA. If Tony is after any sort of revenge at all, it would be against the bastards who *created* and manipulated Winter Soldier, not Winter Soldier himself.

I definitely think Tony will resolve to this, but I think the knee-jerk reaction to it will be distrust and resentment for Bucky. Once he realizes that Bucky's not really to blame then they'll have an interesting relationship. Tony and Bucky will have a very personal connection to a common enemy in Hydra, but Tony will probably remain incredibly conflicted over working (reluctantly) alongside Bucky.

 

[meanmc]

I really hope they have to team up in the end. My one fear about Civil War is Stark really being painted as an enemy, especially after his primary responsibility for Ultron. I have faith Marvel will find a way to spin both sides of this pretty evenly, and then unite Steve and Tony in a way that will set us up nicely for Infinity War.

I think putting Iron Man in that position does not hurt him. He may just appear in AoU and Cap 3 - thereafter is no solo Iron Man movie and in the next Avanger movie he "can save the day and make everybody happy and be again "the man""!

 

[meanmc]

I liked the idea to kill Cap. America at the end of the movie and The Winter Soldier takes over. First i did not like the idea, but then i thought "Would give the movies some more depth"!

But now, as i see which movies are in store for phase 3, i do not think that this will work.
There is no Cap 4 to bring "the real one" back, and going into Avengers 3 with Bucky as Cap, just to bring Evans back, will not work!
Not even if Thanos kills Bucky... (who has a long contract too)

 

[ARA]

I kind of hope Cap3 has a happy ending.

Because none of the Cap movies had one, and Steve deserves it.

 

[TheVileOne]

Captain America dies and skips Infinity War pt. 1 Comes back for pt. 2.

That's my prediction.

 

[Lilbaz]

Captain America dies and skips Infinity War pt. 1 Comes back for pt. 2.

That's my prediction.

I agree with that.