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I think that mostly makes sense in the context of a universe where nobody has secret identities.
Steve has never really been referred as Captain America any way. In The First Avenger, any time he's called Captain America it's in a mocking way, outside of his first confrontation with Red Skull where that was the only thing Skull could refer to him as. I don't think it's ever said in The Avengers, it's said once *I think* in The Winter Soldier and that's by Sam when he's offering his help, then once in Age of Ultron, where again it's used to mock Steve.
I think it's quite realistic that he''s not called Captain America all the time, most of the people he interact with are military officials who will refer to him professionally ie Captain Rogers or his friends who will call him by his name ie Steve, Rogers, or Cap.
I was just wondering what minor/major flaws you had with the film (if any) and what elements they could have improved on and what you would liked to have seen, but didn't see etc. You could put them in bullet points:
- What you would of liked to have seen in the film, but didn't get
- Major/minor flaws
- What they could have improved on
Steve has never really been referred as Captain America any way. In The First Avenger, any time he's called Captain America it's in a mocking way, outside of his first confrontation with Red Skull where that was the only thing Skull could refer to him as. I don't think it's ever said in The Avengers, it's said once *I think* in The Winter Soldier and that's by Sam when he's offering his help, then once in Age of Ultron, where again it's used to mock Steve.
I think it's quite realistic that he''s not called Captain America all the time, most of the people he interact with are military officials who will refer to him professionally ie Captain Rogers or his friends who will call him by his name ie Steve, Rogers, or Cap.
I went into my third viewing listening for how people called each other, and everyone pretty much uses the real names instead of the code names. But I don't think it has to do with secret identities, as much as it has to do with the theme of personal responsibility. It's them acknowledging the individual human being behind each codename.I think that mostly makes sense in the context of a universe where nobody has secret identities.
I think that mostly makes sense in the context of a universe where nobody has secret identities.
its prolly because secret identities dont really exist in the MCU. I wonder how theyll deal with spiderman since hes the only one who has a reason to keep his identity a secret.
Not exactly true. Daredevil has a secret identity. Ditto on Ant-Man. Spider-Man now makes the latest hero with one. Heroes with secret identities have them to protect those around them which is why these 3 wear masks and hide their identities. Most of the other heroes have little to lose by the public knowing their identities. The only one that doesnt have one that makes no sense is Hawkeye bc he has a wife and kids to worry about
Mjölnir;33681781 said:With Ant-Man it's more like the superhero persona itself is a secret, rather than the identity. Almost no one has seen him and most that have know who he is.
My big issue is where were War Machine and Vision in Lagos? They're Avengers, too, so they should have been there, but there's no explanation for why neither is there. Particularly since they're two of the three heavy hitters on that team. The only big gun they had with them was Scarlet Witch, and she's not entirely in control of her abilities.
I thought Tony's quick descent into sadness and wanting to make amends for the death of that kid in Sokovia was a bit too abrupt for my tastes. It led to moments in the movie that felt like overacting - particularly at the airport when he's yelling at Cap for tearing the Avengers apart. Literally right before getting emotional, he's joking and telling underoos to come out.
The movie never really dives into that angle though - how the accord affects the Avengers and how everyone feels about it. Everything sort of coasts along "Oh he signed, he didn't" then we get Tony ranting about it.
I thought Tony's quick descent into sadness and wanting to make amends for the death of that kid in Sokovia was a bit too abrupt for my tastes. It led to moments in the movie that felt like overacting - particularly at the airport when he's yelling at Cap for tearing the Avengers apart. Literally right before getting emotional, he's joking and telling underoos to come out.
The movie never really dives into that angle though - how the accord affects the Avengers and how everyone feels about it. Everything sort of coasts along "Oh he signed, he didn't" then we get Tony ranting about it.
I really dont see what the difference is. He's confided in people he trusts but his identity is still a secret to the public. He keeps it hidden and considering what happened to his daughter in the first film, he has more reason to do so going further.
And Vision has one of the Infinity stones , the Mindstone! Yet his power and input was very much diminished and seemed an afterthought for such a powerful being.
Tony's been like that for the entire MCU. He jokes around a lot to avoid having to deal with heavy emotions.I thought Tony's quick descent into sadness and wanting to make amends for the death of that kid in Sokovia was a bit too abrupt for my tastes. It led to moments in the movie that felt like overacting - particularly at the airport when he's yelling at Cap for tearing the Avengers apart. Literally right before getting emotional, he's joking and telling underoos to come out.
The movie never really dives into that angle though - how the accord affects the Avengers and how everyone feels about it. Everything sort of coasts along "Oh he signed, he didn't" then we get Tony ranting about it.
Hmm, although Zemo would have had a hard time framing Bucky for a bombing of an event the same caliber as the UN meeting. That was explained as a special meeting just for the signing of the Accords.The Accords were really irrelevant. It seemed to only exist to give the film a tie to the comic book story but it could have been removed from the film and I dont think the plot would have changed much
Vision was playing deep coverage during the airport fight. He didn't engage until Giant Man appeared and Bucky and Cap were making their exit.
He certainly could have been more proactive, but Vision was concerned about the battle leading to catastrophe. I would argue that not turning his friends and colleagues into ashes was the right choice.
http://www.dorkly.com/video/26909/dorkly-bits-vision-wants-to-be-in-the-avengers-movie
Tony's been like that for the entire MCU. He jokes around a lot to avoid having to deal with heavy emotions.
Um, then what was that whole meeting for, before Steve finds out about Peggy? We hear from Rhodey, Sam, Tony, Steve, Vision, Natasha. They're all pretty clear about where they stand and why. Pretty much everyone in the room says their piece except for Wanda, and she decides later. We don't hear directly from Clint and Scott's mouth, but they have families so you can probably deduce why they'd have a problem with registration. And Tony tricks Peter into coming, even though he's ideologically Team Cap. I'm not sure what more you needed there.
Well, half of them would be in jail, the other half wouldn't be.I'm referring to the context of Tony's "I'm trying to prevent you from tearing the Avengers apart" line. It's more lip service than it is the movie showing Steve's actions as though he's literally ripping thru the fabric of what bonds the Avengers.
Well, half of them would be in jail, the other half wouldn't be.