What's going on with Teen Titans?

[fifthfiend]

So I came across this?

Seriously what in heaven's name are they doing with that book?

 

[Kitsune]

So I came across this?

Seriously what in heaven's name are they doing with that book?

Murder and Mayhem, I think it's Part of Final Fantasy.. .I mean Final Crisis.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Hahaha, that's hilarious. I knew they died, but to have their stupid f***ing dog tear them apart... classic.

 

[Doc Destruction]

I think it ties into Reign in Hell more than FC, actually. Yeah but sheesh, that was pretty grim.

 

[Manic]

God damn. Weren't they introduced to the comics only within the past year or something?

 

[Aristotle]

No, they go all the way back to OYL. Meh. McKeever says it all in the script, though. They're underutilized and unappreciated. They were dead weight on the team. McKeever's cleaning house to make room for new members.

 

[batnkevlar]

Is no one in the DC Universe allowed to have pets? First Sobek, now Wonderdog, who's next? Krypto turns into a demon dog?

 

[Manic]

McKeever's cleaning house to make room for new members.

Kairo, perhaps?

 

[Aristotle]

Is no one in the DC Universe allowed to have pets? First Sobek, now Wonderdog, who's next? Krypto turns into a demon dog?

No, Krypto's safe. They like Krypto. I think the thing with Sobek and Wonder Dog is that they were created to be evil (unless Wonder Dog is somehow really supposed to be Rex the Wonder Dog, which I doubt.)

I'm almost wondering if the whole thing wasn't a parody of the Sobek deal in 52 somehow. I mean, it was just so similar. If it wasn't a parody, it was kind of shamelessly a ripoff.

Who knows? Maybe it was done so the Teen Titans could feel kinship with Black Adam or something. Maybe the Teen Titans are gonna go annihilate a country now.

In seriousness, I think McKeever's gonna add Kid Eternity to the roster, which is fine by me.

 

[RAMORE]

So I came across this?

Seriously what in heaven's name are they doing with that book?

Damn this is rando I just bought this issue yesterday and haven't read it yet. I wondered why they were on the team though. What's sad is that me and a Buddy on here are writing a Ultimate style titans and it's like 5000 times better than what i'm buying

 

[Mogwai]

oh wow, that's crazy (about the hell hound).

 

[fifthfiend]

No, they go all the way back to OYL. Meh. McKeever says it all in the script, though. They're underutilized and unappreciated. They were dead weight on the team. McKeever's cleaning house to make room for new members.

So they had to be eaten by Wonder Mutant? What does Keever do when it's time for spring cleaning, go shopping for nuclear weapons?

 

[WompuM]

And the guy's master plan was to kill the depowered wonder twins?

 

[Manic]

In all fairness, Marvin and Wendy predate the Wonder Twins. Zan and Jayna are the empowered Marvin and Wendy.

 

[Aristotle]

So they had to be eaten by Wonder Mutant? What does Keever do when it's time for spring cleaning, go shopping for nuclear weapons?

See, this is what's so weird about fans. We all said we hated them. Nobody was happy to see these ****ing kids in the tower when OYL rolled around. As I recall, it was one of the symptoms of how terrible a lot of you felt OYL TT was. McKeever, it seems, agreed. So he decided to give us all what we wanted: the sloppy, messy, murderous, dark, and infinitely fun death of these moronic characters.

I'm fairly sure that every one of us has, at one point or another, wished that a particular character be brutally eviscerated. And then McKeever actually as the sack (and the humor) to do it and everyone jumps on him.

 

[Aristotle]

And the guy's master plan was to kill the depowered wonder twins?

I love it.

Of course it wasn't his master plan. What's really funny here is that no one seems to have noticed that most of the issue was devoted to the setup for his master plan. We're seeing his new direction being created. Unfortunately, I do think the first year of his run was wasted on tying up post-Johns and post-Beechen loose ends. No one can execute a Johns plan better than Johns, so those looked pretty shabby. And no one can execute a Beechen plan well at all, so those looked pretty shabby.

But we're seeing the germination of McKeever's real plans now. This is going to be a pretty different book in six months.

 

[Laplace_Zombie]

Damn, I still miss Young Justice.

 

[BrianWilly]

See, this is what's so weird about fans. We all said we hated them. Nobody was happy to see these ****ing kids in the tower when OYL rolled around. As I recall, it was one of the symptoms of how terrible a lot of you felt OYL TT was. McKeever, it seems, agreed. So he decided to give us all what we wanted: the sloppy, messy, murderous, dark, and infinitely fun death of these moronic characters.

I'm fairly sure that every one of us has, at one point or another, wished that a particular character be brutally eviscerated. And then McKeever actually as the sack (and the humor) to do it and everyone jumps on him.

"Fixing" a problem only to leave a far worser mess and then claiming that nothing would please the fans sounds exactly like the sort of "logic" that someone like Bendis would use. Maybe no one liked Wendy and Marvin, but the readers' foremost complaints about this book -- far moreso than any good-natured *****ing about a bunch of random underutilized characters -- was that it felt too dark, too angsty, and filled with too much violent drama. Look back even a little bit in this thread; that's all we've been talking about, and anyone who has paid a tiny bit of attention to fan response towards this book would be aware of it. Heck, I know that both McKeever and editor DiDio are aware of it because it's been brought up multiple times to their faces in conventions. So, really, it's like they're doing the opposite of what they know fans want.

Furthermore, I have no idea why you or anyone else would think of these deaths as "fun." A helpless teenage girl being chased around a near-abandoned building, teary-eyed and hyperventilating from a combination of her twin brother's death and outright terror, only to wind up graphically eviscerated, played completely straight...that doesn't fit any definition of "fun" that I can think of. If I wanted to watch torture porn I would've rented Hostel, not Teen ****ing Titans.

What's really funny here is that no one seems to have noticed that most of the issue was devoted to the setup for his master plan. We're seeing his new direction being created. Unfortunately, I do think the first year of his run was wasted on tying up post-Johns and post-Beechen loose ends. No one can execute a Johns plan better than Johns, so those looked pretty shabby. And no one can execute a Beechen plan well at all, so those looked pretty shabby.

But we're seeing the germination of McKeever's real plans now. This is going to be a pretty different book in six months.

The worst issues of McKeever's run have been the Terror Titans issues (who are getting a miniseries yay wtf), which is entirely his own idea. So, no, Mckeever's "real plans" have been germinating for a while now, and they've sucked. I've no idea why you think he's all of a sudden going to unveil some new master direction; we've been seeing his direction since day one. Johns and even Beechen may have left loose ends, but considering that Mckeever has outright ignored almost all of them and has been telling entirely different stories than the ones that they have told, I don't see why it should be their fault that his stories have been "shabby." You're saying that a writer hired to continue previous writers' works shouldn't be held accountable if he...can't continue previous writers' works.

Oh, and in the next issue he's reintroducing Bombshell. If Johns' ideas are such a burden to him, then why in the world would he be revisiting them?

On a side note, Eddy Barrows' art still sucks. He still makes everyone look seven years older and seven times angrier than they should be, which doesn't help the tone.

 

[fifthfiend]

See, this is what's so weird about fans. We all said we hated them. Nobody was happy to see these ****ing kids in the tower when OYL rolled around. As I recall, it was one of the symptoms of how terrible a lot of you felt OYL TT was. McKeever, it seems, agreed. So he decided to give us all what we wanted: the sloppy, messy, murderous, dark, and infinitely fun death of these moronic characters.

I'm fairly sure that every one of us has, at one point or another, wished that a particular character be brutally eviscerated. And then McKeever actually as the sack (and the humor) to do it and everyone jumps on him.

Dunno about fans in general but I am 99.9% sure this is the first I've had anything to say about them or was aware of their existence in the present DCU.

I'm fairly sure that every one of us has, at one point or another, wished that a particular character be brutally eviscerated. And then McKeever actually as the sack (and the humor) to do it and everyone jumps on him.

Let's be clear here that you are wrong and absolutely nobody thinks this, except for people that are weird or gross or creepy or 13 years old. I stand second to no man when it comes to wanting to hate characters out of existence and my most overactive imaginings of the ends of Kara Zor-El and Superboy Prime have at no point involved entrails.

"Fixing" a problem only to leave a far worser mess and then claiming that nothing would please the fans sounds exactly like the sort of "logic" that someone like Bendis would use.

Hell, it's the logic undergirding Superboy Prime's entire existence.

Side note:

"Fixing" a problem only to leave a far worser mess and then claiming that nothing would please the fans sounds exactly like the sort of "logic" that someone like Bendis would use.

a far worser mess

far worser

 

[04nbod]

Hahaha, that's hilarious. I knew they died, but to have their stupid f***ing dog tear them apart... classic.

more accurately they got sobeked! Well they had to make room for static somehow!

 

[Mandi-chan]

I haven't been reading Teen Titans lately, because I'm waiting for the trades to come out, but I have been keeping tabs on what's been going on. So when I learned that Wendy and Marvin, characters that I do like even though they seemed to be severely underused, I had to check it out.

I have read the final brutal pages of the issue in question, and honestly thought it was very well done.

The dread I got while reading it, totally feeling for Wendy's character and sharing her terror as her death came closer and closer, the brutal way it was carried out, the fact that the Titans were nearby and were unable to realize their friends were being killed while they conducted their training...I thought it was executed wonderfully.

Now, keep in mind. I do not read a whole lot of comics.

I only follow Teen Titans and Ultimate Spiderman loyally, and am beginning to collect the Batgirl (Cassandra Cain) comics, certain Wonder Woman and Batman trades, and a few non-DC/Marvel titles.

So the dark turns that these comics sometimes take does not bother me, and if it's done well then I welcome it.

As for the artwork, I liked it.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

No, Krypto's safe. They like Krypto. I think the thing with Sobek and Wonder Dog is that they were created to be evil (unless Wonder Dog is somehow really supposed to be Rex the Wonder Dog, which I doubt.)

I'm almost wondering if the whole thing wasn't a parody of the Sobek deal in 52 somehow. I mean, it was just so similar. If it wasn't a parody, it was kind of shamelessly a ripoff.

Who knows? Maybe it was done so the Teen Titans could feel kinship with Black Adam or something. Maybe the Teen Titans are gonna go annihilate a country now.

In seriousness, I think McKeever's gonna add Kid Eternity to the roster, which is fine by me.

I've only seen the one page at that link. Did the rest of the issue place it in a parodic context?

 

[Aristotle]

Maybe no one liked Wendy and Marvin, but the readers' foremost complaints about this book -- far moreso than any good-natured *****ing about a bunch of random underutilized characters -- was that it felt too dark, too angsty, and filled with too much violent drama.

My only complaint was Adam Beechen and a lackluster OYL arc.

Furthermore, I have no idea why you or anyone else would think of these deaths as "fun."

Because these characters were stupid.

The worst issues of McKeever's run have been the Terror Titans issues (who are getting a miniseries yay wtf), which is entirely his own idea. So, no, Mckeever's "real plans" have been germinating for a while now, and they've sucked.

Terror Titans was an idea that both Johns and Beechen mentioned in interviews. So was revisiting Titans Tomorrow.

I don't see why it should be their fault that his stories have been "shabby."

He may have dropped their plotlines, but the stories he's told are ones that Geoff Johns was talking about all the way back at OYL, and that Beechen brought up when he came on as full-time writer.

 

[BrianWilly]

You know that "worser" is an actual word? I like it bust it out sometimes to abjectly confuse people.

I've only seen the one page at that link. Did the rest of the issue place it in a parodic context?

In a word...no.

 

[Aristotle]

I've only seen the one page at that link. Did the rest of the issue place it in a parodic context?

No, if it was parodic, it was, as BW has pointed out, played disturbingly straight.