Homecoming Which Sony elements/influences should be retained for this movie

[Dark Raven]

Now with Spidey under Marvel's cinematic universe, I don't think Sony's baby should be thrown out with the bathwater. There were some things which Sony did well, and they have experience with 5 Spider-Man films already.

They managed to have a couple of good Spidey costumes which were comic accurate. I don't think Marvel should try to reinvent the wheel too much there.

And their special effects were decent. They already have figured out all the web swinging and wall crawling elements.

Should Marvel bring in a different special effects and design team or use some of Sony's?

Which aspects from the Sony films should be retained?

 

[Spider2099]

I feel like Sony Imageworks will still be responsible for the SFX in the upcoming film.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

I would think so as well. Sony is the one putting up the cash to make the movie so they'd probably keep it in house.

 

[Dark Raven]

But who would be responsible for the Spidey effects in Civil War or other MCU films? They all have to be to the same standard and have a consistent look.

And his costume should be consistent too, so that it's not a Marvel one for Civil War and then a Sony one for the 2017 movie.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

But who would be responsible for the Spidey effects in Civil War or other MCU films? They all have to be to the same standard and have a consistent look.

And his costume should be consistent too, so that it's not a Marvel one for Civil War and then a Sony one for the 2017 movie.

Combined effort? Didn't the Avengers use like 10 different effects companies?

 

[cheungcheung]

And his costume should be consistent too, so that it's not a Marvel one for Civil War and then a Sony one for the 2017 movie.

I'm guessing nailing down the costume is just as important as casting peter Parker right now for marvel. Having a stunt double in the final costume for civil war will buy marvel/sony a lot of time for their casting.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

JJJ and that's about it

 

[TheFantasticJoe]

In all honesty, I'd like to see organic webbing again. I know web shooters are how it works in the comics, but I personally think organic webs make more sense. Since we've already seen web shooters in the TASM duology, I wouldn't mind a return to organic. I know some people may disagree though.

 

[John Locke]

Spider-Man has the most memorable fights of all the Marvel characters. Even the weak fights look amazing. So keep the fight scenes like they've also been. And keep the web swinging of TASM.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I'm sure they won't be blind to what works or change something for the sake of changing it. But, aside from that, it's difficult to answer this question because it isn't clear what is a Sony element. Many of the things mentioned simply are Spider-Man elements. Even in Sony, there were big changes between Raimi's Spider-Man and Webb's Spider-Man.

I would like it best if the costume stays consistent but even Marvel movies have changed costumes from one to the next so whether it's Sony or Marvel doesn't change that. I suspect the same FX crew from previous Spider-Man movies will do the new solo movie, which is good because they're good at what they do. On the other hand, if Civil War, Avengers, or anything else has Spider-Man, they might go with some other team and, frankly, it'll probably be fine.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

But who would be responsible for the Spidey effects in Civil War or other MCU films? They all have to be to the same standard and have a consistent look.

And his costume should be consistent too, so that it's not a Marvel one for Civil War and then a Sony one for the 2017 movie.

Don't you remember how inconsistent the quality of Iron Man's CGI was in Avengers?

 

[DigificWriter]

The more pertinent question should be "What influences will Sony take from Marvel Studios and the MCU?".

 

[W/ Great Power]

The more pertinent question should be "What influences will Sony take from Marvel Studios and the MCU?".

I've read your posts in a few threads regarding Sony's "final say" over these films, but I think this is crossing the line a bit.

At the end of the day, every spec of the universe Spidey is entering has been constructed by Marvel. I get that Sony will have a say in things, but there's no way Marvel is going to let Sony make important alterations to a world it has built.

No offense, but you're making it sound like Sony is Marvel, and Marvel is Sony.

 

[DigificWriter]

This deal allows Sony to attach its Spider-Man license to the MCU as it currently exists by starting from scratch with said license, so Marvel Studios is very much allowing Sony to "make important alterations to a world it has built".

Feige is going to be helping directly guide that process for the first of Sony's new MCU Spidey films, but isn't going to be involved - as of now - with any other films that Sony wants to do that build on the existing MCU and that exist in concert with their new MCU Spidey films.

 

[Human Torch]

Well,they FINALLY did away with the stupid constant unmasking in TASM2. I hope that sticks. Marvel still has a habit of unmasking characters for too long. (Cap would be a prime example)

 

[Spider-Sonic]

Keep the style of web-slinging from TASM2. Web-slinging has never looked so fun. On that note stick with mechanical web-shooters, which I have no doubt they will.

Spider-Man needs to keep his trademark quipping.

 

[Dark Raven]

Well,they FINALLY did away with the stupid constant unmasking in TASM2. I hope that sticks. Marvel still has a habit of unmasking characters for too long. (Cap would be a prime example)

Agreed. Although they did that with Iron Man in Iron Man 3, after we thought he was done with that since you could see his face through his HUD display. In IM3, he kept jumping in and out of various armours, so that he was completely armourless for one scene and then suited up in the next.

I liked how Spidey kept his mask on in ASM2, but they were still having him take it off at the end of ASM1 which wasn't good.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

It really doesn't matter in Iron man. Considering that Tony doesn't have a secret identity to keep.

 

[Dark Raven]

It really doesn't matter in Iron man. Considering that Tony doesn't have a secret identity to keep.

Yeah, but that wasn't the point I was making. It was more about the need to show the actor's face, and in IM3 they overdid that so RDJ could appear every few seconds without armour.

Even if Spider-Man fought villains who knew his identity so that there wasn't an issue of concealing it, and he was in a secluded place, I don't think that suddenly gives him all the reason to whip off his mask. If I go to see a Spider-Man film, I want to see a masked Spider-Man, and not Parker's face every time there's an end battle.

 

[W/ Great Power]

This deal allows Sony to attach its Spider-Man license to the MCU as it currently exists by starting from scratch with said license, so Marvel Studios is very much allowing Sony to "make important alterations to a world it has built".

Exactly. They're starting from scratch with the license because of the garbage it had been turned into. Sony has to rebrand their license. I'm sure you haven't read any reports of Marvel having to reconstruct its universe.

Feige is going to be helping directly guide that process for the first of Sony's new MCU Spidey films, but isn't going to be involved - as of now - with any other films that Sony wants to do that build on the existing MCU and that exist in concert with their new MCU Spidey films.

This is where PR comes in. It would be beyond humiliating, considering the fiasco the company went through with the leaked emails, if Sony were to admit, in the official press release, that Feige and company would be in full control of their films that would "build on the existing MCU and that exist in concert with their new MCU Spidey films."

In situations such as the one we are discussing now, there are a lot of implied implications. If you're honestly thinking that this is just a casual collaboration between the studios, and that Sony will just ride into the sunset after Spidey's stock has risen after these films, then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[DigificWriter]

Exactly. They're starting from scratch with the license because of the garbage it had been turned into. Sony has to rebrand their license. I'm sure you haven't read any reports of Marvel having to reconstruct its universe.



This is where PR comes in. It would be beyond humiliating, considering the fiasco the company went through with the leaked emails, if Sony were to admit, in the official press release, that Feige and company would be in full control of their films that would "build on the existing MCU and that exist in concert with their new MCU Spidey films."

In situations such as the one we are discussing now, there are a lot of implied implications. If you're honestly thinking that this is just a casual collaboration between the studios, and that Sony will just ride into the sunset after Spidey's stock has risen after these films, then I don't know what to tell you.

Sony won't be the ones ending this deal because it benefits them immensely to keep it going.

They keep full control of their license - even though they feel like they need to rebrand it - and get help from MS if/when they want it without having to actually share any of the tangible rewards generated by choosing if/when to let MS help them out.

They're letting MS help them NOW because they feel like they need that help, but the way the deal is structured, they're not obligated to let MS help them if they feel like they've got things under control. All they have to do to keep the deal going is to let MS occasionally 'borrow' their licensed characters, while they get the benefits associated with 'holding all the cards' relative to how they choose to use their licensed characters themselves - and whether to directly accept help from MS in doing so.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Sony won't be the ones ending this deal because it benefits them immensely to keep it going.

They keep full control of their license - even though they feel like they need to rebrand it - and get help from MS if/when they want it without having to actually share any of the tangible rewards generated by choosing if/when to let MS help them out.

They're letting MS help them NOW because they feel like they need that help, but the way the deal is structured, they're not obligated to let MS help them if they feel like they've got things under control. All they have to do to keep the deal going is to let MS occasionally 'borrow' their licensed characters, while they get the benefits associated with 'holding all the cards' relative to how they choose to use their licensed characters themselves - and whether to directly accept help from MS in doing so.

i've said it countless times in numerous other threads that it makes 0 sense for sony to shut spiderman out of the mcu after 2018 for continuity purposes.

 

[Spider2099]

Sony is not going to back out. The Spider-Man being introduced in 2017 is now an MCU character (even if he is still owned by Sony).

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Exactly. They're starting from scratch with the license because of the garbage it had been turned into. Sony has to rebrand their license. I'm sure you haven't read any reports of Marvel having to reconstruct its universe.



This is where PR comes in. It would be beyond humiliating, considering the fiasco the company went through with the leaked emails, if Sony were to admit, in the official press release, that Feige and company would be in full control of their films that would "build on the existing MCU and that exist in concert with their new MCU Spidey films."

In situations such as the one we are discussing now, there are a lot of implied implications. If you're honestly thinking that this is just a casual collaboration between the studios, and that Sony will just ride into the sunset after Spidey's stock has risen after these films, then I don't know what to tell you.

i've seen him argue with several other people and I myself have tried reasoning with him, but I really do not think there is any way to get through to him.

 

[DigificWriter]

i've said it countless times in numerous other threads that it makes 0 sense for sony to shut spiderman out of the mcu after 2018 for continuity purposes.

They're not 'shutting Spidey out of the MCU' by not directly involving Feige/MS in their plans beyond the 2017 film.

The only way they'd be 'shutting Spidey out of the MCU' is if they ended the deal they've made, which I don't see happening.