Who is the main villain of this movie? *SPOILERS*

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  1. TheFantasticJoe

    TheFantasticJoe Registered

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    Hi, first of all, let me say that I'm primarily a lurker and rarely ever create threads. If this topic is unnecessary or is already a subject in another thread, I apologize, and a moderator can lock it.

    My question regards who the "true" villain of this movie is. I've seen a lot of debates throughout the Internet, and I want to make sure I've read this movie the right way, since I've only seen it once so far.

    I see a lot of people refer to Talia as the mastermind behind the whole plot, with Bane as her lackey/henchman, but I didn't think of Talia as the main villain. I thought Bane and Talia were both equally the main villains, and neither was taking orders from the other. They were partners in crime, if you will, and they both executed equal parts of the master plan (Talia orchestrated getting the bomb in Wayne Enterprises, while simultaneously weakening Bruce Wayne's defenses, and Bane organized the mercenaries and planned out the scheme, also while breaking Bruce Wayne physically).

    Was I wrong in assuming this? Feel free to discuss, and again, sorry if this thread is redundant. :O
     
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  2. Uroboric Forms

    Uroboric Forms Your Move, Creep

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    Yep, equals. Not 'one has the other on a leash' as some people are making it out to be.
     
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  3. DACrowe

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    I'd say equals. The main one really is Bane because he executes it all so perfectly and cruelly. He also is the one who breaks the Bat and shows a lot of his actions are done, at least in the details, by his his own design. Hence, disobeying Talia and trying to kill Batman after she leaves. Talia is probably the leader of the LOS though and is the one who gives Bane the resources. So, I would say they are equals.
     
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  4. chintai80

    chintai80 oh hi.

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    I agree, I think they were equal partners.
    As someone else mentioned in another thread, Bane = theatricality and Talia = deception.
     
    #4 chintai80, Jul 26, 2012
  5. TheFantasticJoe

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    My mind was blown when I first read that. :wow:

    Together, they make powerful agents.
     
    #5 TheFantasticJoe, Jul 26, 2012
  6. GENERAL RAAM582

    GENERAL RAAM582 A Rebellion Built on Hope

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    Oh wow. Now that you say it like that, wow. Same could be mentioned about Scarecrow and Ras, too.
     
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  7. chintai80

    chintai80 oh hi.

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    naw, Scarecrow was always a pawn. he only thought Ras was ransoming the city and he'd get a big payout.

    Bane and Talia both had the same goals and worked in tandem to achieve it.
     
    #7 chintai80, Jul 26, 2012
  8. GENERAL RAAM582

    GENERAL RAAM582 A Rebellion Built on Hope

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    OK, I guess, but the Bane/Talia thing is really cool when you compare it to that.
     
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  9. TheFantasticJoe

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    Also, would it be safe to say that Ra's al Ghul is the main villain of the whole trilogy?
     
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  10. The Guard

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    The main villain of the movie?

    Jonah Nolan.
     
    #10 The Guard, Jul 26, 2012
  11. GENERAL RAAM582

    GENERAL RAAM582 A Rebellion Built on Hope

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    I wouldn't go that far. He's not mentioned once in TDK.
     
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    Bane was the main villain. He was the leader of the League, it was his plan, and he implemented it. It was Bane's war, he was the general, he broke the Bat, and he took Gotham down for three months.

    Talia was basically a spy -- not a leader. She spied on Wayne, undermined his empire, and wasted his money. She was in intelligence, espionage and sabotage -- not warfare. It was Bane's war ... she just helped from the sidelines.

    KBZ
     
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  13. bullets

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    I'm sure Talia provided the resources and majority of the plan but Bane seems like a villain capable of operating alone. I'd measure them as equals.
     
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    The main villain of this thread?

    You.
     
    #14 Anno_Domini, Jul 26, 2012
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    From a plan/story standpoint, Bane and Talia are equals. But Bane has more screen time, so I'd give Bane the nod.
     
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  16. chintai80

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    hahaha.
     
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    Why even say that. Did you think it'd be funny? Man you're a tool
     
    #17 jacobed, Jul 26, 2012
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    :whatever:
     
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  19. Victarion

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    Bane is the Batman to Talia's Gordon.
     
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    I say Scarecrow's the main villain of the trilogy.
     
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  21. TheFantasticJoe

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    Every Batman movie since Batman Returns had two (or more) villains teaming up to some degree (although The Dark Knight is debatable, I still count it), and I might go as far as saying that the Bane/Talia team-up was the best out of all of them. At the very least, it was the most three-dimensional - I really could see a mutual trust between the two, and it actually had a basis in the comics, somewhat (Mr. Freeze and Poison Ivy teaming up goes down as the most stupid villain duo in movie history for me). I know a lot of people thought Talia's inclusion in the movie was contrived and unnecessary, but the more I thought about it, the more I understood the complexity of their relationship and how they gelled together as a duo. I definitely need to see the movie again to let it all sink in better though.
     
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    The main villain is the League of Shadows
     
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    Bane is definitely the film's primary villain, but Talia is the 'puppetmaster', which makes her just as important even though she's technically the film's secondary villain.
     
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    :woot:
     
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  25. Caped Crusader

    Caped Crusader Grizzled

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    Ra's.. because in the end it was "Ra's Al Ghul's destiny" :cwink:
     
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