Homecoming Who should be the Villain in Spider-Man (2017)? - Part 4

[PeterBenParker]

Mysterio sucks.

 

[PeterBenParker]

You can argue Vulture isn't that much better, but he's very flexible in terms of changing him around a bit to fit something better (like the MCU) or getting a more compelling character out of him.

With Mysterio, I just don't know how you make this:

really 'work'.

I wouldn't be against seeing him as a secondary villain, mind you, but as a main villain? Eh, it'd really depend on what they do.

 

[Rodrigo90]

But what's truly compelling about an old geezer who dresses like his pet parrot?

 

[Web-Head]

But what's truly compelling about an old geezer who dresses like his pet parrot?

The MCU tie-in with the Falcon, the aerial fight sequences, the old vs young storyline. Cool visually.

 

[Rodrigo90]

The MCU tie-in with the Falcon, the aerial fight sequences, the old vs young storyline. Cool visually.

Something on the lines of visual, for a brief, but epic battle. As a main villain, I couldn't stomach that. His entire concept is just humorous to me

 

[BatsDC]

I honestly really liked the idea of Mysterio showing up in DD Season Two, because I think he'd work better as a Daredevil villain. Have his 'illusions' be a way of completely throwing off his senses, through sound, smell, etc. - would be a nice counter to his powers

 

[Rodrigo90]

I'd actually have him show up in the introduction, and as you suggest, move him into TV territory. Marvel needs to start opening the bridges between the films and shows, they are the same universe after all.

 

[PeterBenParker]

But what's truly compelling about an old geezer who dresses like his pet parrot?

Sounds hilarious when you put it that way.

As I said, he's just very flexible because a lot of fans consider him a 'joke' villain and nothing more. You can easily flip the switch if you need to.

 

[Dark Raven]

Vulture requires little set up as a villain, given that the same tech already exists in the MCU for Falcon. It's easy to introduce him without spending too much time on his origin or giving an explanatory background to how his tech works. If Falcon were also in the Spider-Man film, it would be even more of a bridge for the audience.

I don't think people can think that Vulture is lame but Falcon isn't, when they would be quite similar. Falcon's aerial scenes in CA:TWS were among the highlights. But we haven't seen an evil version of that using far deadlier force, which is what Vulture would do, perhaps having a more advanced, sophisticated version that he has invented.

 

[harryoscop]

The MCU tie-in with the Falcon

Mysterio could be tied into the MCU as well with the whole Hologram thing in MCU movies, he could be used to capitalize on that.

the aerial fight sequences,

We've already seen THREE aerial fights through the course of three Spider-Man films.

the old vs young storyline.

I'll give you that.

Cool visually.

Mysterio easily wins over Vulture in that category.


Look, I think Vulture is the villain but the stuff being said about Mysterio is absolutely bulfrog.

 

[PeterBenParker]

Vulture requires little set up as a villain, given that the same tech already exists in the MCU for Falcon. It's easy to introduce him without spending too much time on his origin or giving an explanatory background to how his tech works. If Falcon were also in the Spider-Man film, it would be even more of a bridge for the audience.

I don't think people can think that Vulture is lame but Falcon isn't, when they would be quite similar. Falcon's aerial scenes in CA:TWS were among the highlights. But we haven't seen an evil version of that using far deadlier force, which is what Vulture would do, perhaps having a more advanced, sophisticated version that he has invented.

 

[JOE]

I'm okay with Vulture, but as a secondary villain. He can't hold his own movie up IMO.

 

[BatsDC]

Maybe Peter could find Falcon and get some info on who manufactured the wings to lead him to Toomes. There's another Avenger cameo right there.

 

[PeterBenParker]

I'm okay with Vulture, but as a secondary villain. He can't hold his own movie up IMO.

If that's who Keaton is, you can be damned sure Vulture could hold his own movie.

 

[JOE]

RDJ said he hasn't signed anything for Spidey's solo film yet. Remember when everyone thought he was 100% in it because they said something about Atlanta in the summer?

 

[harryoscop]

And the only reason people think he's lame is because he's played for jokes most of the time in the comics, haha.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Sounds hilarious when you put it that way.

As I said, he's just very flexible because a lot of fans consider him a 'joke' villain and nothing more. You can easily flip the switch if you need to.

"My beloved Polly... I shall take to the skies, in honor of your memory! Those pesky schoolkids often walk by and mock my appearance, telling me I am an ugly, old vulture. From this day forward, I shall be known as The Parrot! No, The Vulture, that sounds better! <caw caw caw>"

If Keaton could pull of a bit of the sad Birdman persona, he could actually be something worthwhile.

 

[JOE]

I liked Toomes in the 90's animated series.

He steals Peter's youth and becomes Batman. The DCeU reboots around a younger Keaton. Done.

 

[Dark Raven]

You should think of it like KITT and KARR in Knight Rider. Falcon would be like KITT: the good version who doesn't kill and protects lives. Vulture would be like KARR, the original prototype, who is all about self preservation and killing others.

I'd say Vulture would have to have a better, far more advanced suit than Falcon and know Falcon's weaknesses too, in order for him to have the advantage and require Spider-Man's presence here. Spider-Man would be like the random, unpredictable element whereas Falcon vs Vulture would be too much like fighting fire with fire. Vulture would know how to defeat Falcon (especially if he's a master of that tech) but wouldn't be able to get a handle on Spidey.

 

[SyntaxError]

RDJ said he hasn't signed anything for Spidey's solo film yet. Remember when everyone thought he was 100% in it because they said something about Atlanta in the summer?

When he said was as close as you'll ever get to an admission, tbh.

 

[Neno_Kos]

You should think of it like KITT and KARR in Knight Rider. Falcon would be like KITT: the good version who doesn't kill and protects lives. Vulture would be like KARR, the original prototype, who is all about self preservation and killing others.

I'd say Vulture would have to have a better, far more advanced suit than Falcon and know Falcon's weaknesses too, in order for him to have the advantage and require Spider-Man's presence here. Spider-Man would be like the random, unpredictable element whereas Falcon vs Vulture would be too much like fighting fire with fire. Vulture would know how to defeat Falcon (especially if he's a master of that tech) but wouldn't be able to get a handle on Spidey.

This make sense. Both from getting another Avenger appearence in solo Spider-man movie, storyline (plot) for stand-alone movie to give Spidey reason to fight and in same time tying whole universe together. Well done.

 

[Dark Raven]

I think Michael Keaton could also believably be a military man like Anthony Mackie is for Sam Wilson. He could have been his commanding officer, or a military contractor of some sort. If Wilson respects Toomes as his CO, then he might be reluctant to actually take him down but might want to reason with him.

Peter, on the other hand, would just see him as a dangerous and bitter old man who needs to be taken down a peg... and Spider-Man is just the brash young upstart to do it!

 

[The Overlord]

Vulture requires little set up as a villain, given that the same tech already exists in the MCU for Falcon. It's easy to introduce him without spending too much time on his origin or giving an explanatory background to how his tech works. If Falcon were also in the Spider-Man film, it would be even more of a bridge for the audience.

I don't think people can think that Vulture is lame but Falcon isn't, when they would be quite similar. Falcon's aerial scenes in CA:TWS were among the highlights. But we haven't seen an evil version of that using far deadlier force, which is what Vulture would do, perhaps having a more advanced, sophisticated version that he has invented.

But here is the thing about Flacon, he is a supporting character, he is neither the main protagonist or the main antagonist.

Vulture as the Big Bad of a film, would drive the plot much more than Falcon would in the Captain America films and a compelling Big Bad needs more then to be gimmick and an excuse for some aerial battles (which we have already seen in the past films with Green Goblin), a compelling Big Bad actually drives forward the main plot of a film, so you need more then what people are describing Vulture as in this thread. Vulture at the least, needs a scheme that is more clever then robs banks.

The thing I like about Mysterio is he would provide a psychological challenge to Spidey, rather than a physical one and I don't think Vulture is a very impressive physical challenge, so I think you have to pair him up with a more physical villain and focus on Vulture's cunning, if he were to be the Big bad of the film.

I also don't think the old vs. young theme is interesting enough in of itself to instantly make Vulture a compelling villain, you need to add more into the mix.

 

[BatsDC]

Just adapt the first episode of the Spectacular Spider-Man, without the mob subplot.

There, plot sorted.

 

[Web-Head]

I'm confident they'll give Vulture something interesting. I doubt Michael Keaton would sign up for this film if it was something stupid and lame