Justice League Who Should Be The Villain?

[shauner111]

Meaning.....?

 

[SlamAdams]

1. Perhaps Arthur and the Atlanteans

Spoiler

However, twist near the end:
the sea-kraken that Arthur has been 'commanding' is actually Starro, (the first JL villain from the comics), which has been actually controlling Aquaman! (it speaks through Arthur, etc. "I am Starro, the conqueror", until Bats pulls off the tiny starfish on the back of his neck)

At the end, after Arthur regains control, he commands the Atlantean army to stand down. However, they don't listen. (because unlike Arthur, they do in fact hate the surface world).
This causes arthur to reluctantly end things, like this:

causing future mistrust between his own people.

(in following movies, like the Aquaman solo movie, there's debate as to how much control Starro had over Aquaman, causing League members to not trust him; would Arthur have acted differently if he was in control? The public also doesn't understand it, and assumes he's a villain, making his uphill battle of being accepted by the surface world that much more difficult)

I like the idea of using the Atlanteans, but I'd be more interested in the Justice League with Arthur facing off against the Atlanteans

 

[combocaz]

GO big or go home. I dont like build ups to a big villain just bring him in straight off the bat. DARKSEID or BRAINIAC.

 

[TacomaTruck90]

Trying to knock Avengers? Using Darkseid is just a part of JL and what could make the film better. Thanos is the Darkseid rip-off, not the other way around. And if Thanos is only going to be in Avengers 3 (2018 the earliest) then this is their chance to use Darkseid.

But im open to other villains.

I don't mean it like that but Marvel starting using there version of Darkseid first..id rather see DC use a different apporach ..like how there films are darker tone and what if this was in the real world...idk ...i just think JL would be better off being more grounded and realistic like other DC movies have been before..i really think it's weird to see Batman fighting aliens and being in outer space but thats just me lol ...

 

[shauner111]

Oh alright. I sort-of agree with you. I think it could come off amazing if Batman fought aliens but there would have to be major limitations. I don't think seeing Bats up in space or on another planet would feel good to me. I'd probably roll my eyes.

But there's ways to do it on earth that can be cool.

It works in the comics and animation no problem, for obvious reasons. But on film, they have to change things around.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

GO big or go home. I dont like build ups to a big villain just bring him in straight off the bat. DARKSEID or BRAINIAC.

This.

 

[Doc Ock]

This.

Yup, although I would prefer Brainiac as he is one of my faves and I'm biased.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

Since Thanos is going to be on screens next year in Guardians, I think it's best to leave Darkseid to the end, perhaps introduced in the third Superman movie

Justice League (2017): Brainiac

Spoiler

-Brainiac swiftly mangages to take control of the entire Earth's communications/military/internet, etc, essentially shutting off the world. Thus the need for those who aren't plugged in, aka the superhumans.

-Perhaps the League turns to the Amazons for help, whose technology would be safe from Braniac's control.
-It's revealed that Braniac wants to learn the secrets of the old/new gods in Themyscira, and the JL accidentally lead him there. However, the knowledge Brainiac seeks does not exist anymore, thus he turns his attention to capturing the Flash, who unknowingly has the ability to travel back in time, which would allow Brainiac to learn the truth.

Justice League 2 (2020): Atlantis (Aquaman) // Starro & each other

Spoiler

-Atlantis makes their debut; The JL botch an attempt to infiltrate Atlantis to diffuse a situation, and the Atlanteans attack the surface world. Part of the Atlantean army includes a giant sea kraken that they leave as a trump card/threat.
-The gov't provides the league with the Martian Manhunter who claims to have helpful knowledge.
-MMH explains that the kraken that their king, Arthur, is seemingly controlling is actually Starro (the first JL villain from the comics, who conquered MMH's homeworld long ago), and it's the one actually controlling Arthur!

-With MMH's help, the League attempts to defeat Starro.
-However, Supes has also been compromised by Starro, and is commanded to attack The UN, and the league have to fight Supes as well. (Batman ultimately stops him with kryptonite).
-Superman and Arthur regain control and the JL (the original 7) together take care of Starro, with Superman lifting it out into space.

-Aquaman is forced to stop the Atlanteans who don't listen to his order to retreat (since they actually do hate the surface world), like so:

(in following movies, like the Aquaman solo movie, there's debate as to how much control Starro had over Aquaman, causing League members to not trust him; would Arthur have acted differently if he was in control? The public also doesn't understand it, and assumes he's a villain, making his uphill battle of being accepted by the surface world that much more difficult)

-The league officially disbands, after being held under scrutiny by the gov't, Amanda Waller, etc. Superman leaves Earth.

Justice League 3 (2023): Secret Society + Darkseid

Spoiler

-Lex forms the Secret Society in an effort to be rid of the individual members.
-It's later revealed that he is being manipulated by Darkseid, whose forces invade Earth.
-While the league somewhat succeeds in attacking the central base, Darkseid's forces are able to escape (Boom Tube) along with the thousands of humans they have captured.
-the JL heads to Apokolips (via Cyborg's boom-tube) for a rescue mission.
-Flash is able to sent Darkseid back in time (and himself), never to return. It's hinted that Darkseid may in fact be the ancestor of all humanoid species and that the anti-life equation paradoxically does not exist.

 

[SlamAdams]

GO big or go home. I dont like build ups to a big villain just bring him in straight off the bat. DARKSEID or BRAINIAC.

They don't need to painstakingly hint at things over the course of so many movies, but there is some merit to not blowing the wad right off the bat. Because if it is successful, it would hard to follow up Darkseid.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I still say go with Starro The Conqueror and build toward Darkseid as a two parter.

 

[dnno1]

Pretty cool, huh?

 

[kguillou]

They don't need to painstakingly hint at things over the course of so many movies, but there is some merit to not blowing the wad right off the bat. Because if it is successful, it would hard to follow up Darkseid.

I agree but I do think there's a way to bring Darkseid in as a sort of introduction and not totally blow their wad. Bring Darkseid to earth and have him fight the heroes but don't delve too deep into the whole Apokolips/ New Gods mythos. Keep it simple. He's invading earth and the League needs to stop him. Then in JL 3 bring him back more powerful than ever and bring the League to Apokolips and introduce Orion and the New Gods for a huge epic spanning Apokolips and New Genesis. The stakes would be much greater than just protecting earth at that point. I think that could work well.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Does JL have any huge monster villains? Cloverfield sized or whatever?

 

[Gamingboy]

RE: The Thanos/Darkseid "copying" thing.

Darkseid is quite different from Thanos.

Darkseid has a posse, Darkseid has an ENTIRE PLANET filled with people who want to do his bidding. Thanos doesn't have that- at least not on that scale. Oh, he has the occasional army (such as the Chitauri he seemed to have enlisted to help him in Avengers), but he doesn't have the equivalent of a Glorious Godfrey, Granny Goodness or Desaad, or even a Kalibak.

Thanos seeks Death- in more ways than one. Darkseid seeks to bring about fates worse than death- he aims for anti-life. He doesn't want to kill you, he wants to remove your free will, make you watch as you, your friends, your family and even your worst enemies are stripped of every bit of individuality and freedom until everything exists to serve Darkseid.

And, finally, and this is important: It doesn't matter since there have been Darkseid/Thanos characters throughout history that it could be argued that some stupid people would just call them cliches anyway. They both owe debts to previous characters like Sauron, Palpatine (well, actually, Palpatine owes more of a debt to them) and the devil himself. Much like how Batman follows in the tradition of Zorro, the Shadow and the Scarlet Pimpernel and Superman follows on from the tradition of Hercules, Samson and the 1930 novel Gladiator, they are but the latest in a long history of archtypes.


So, now that is out of the way.... I say White Martians, perhaps a mix of Hyperclan and the Imperium. Would be a good way to introduce J'onn J'onzz (and anyone who says that you can have a JLA movie without J'onn, while probably right, is somebody I would like to debate over this), and it'd allow for the epic "I KNOW YOUR SECRET" scene with Batman.

Darkseid would be set up for sequels.

Does JL have any huge monster villains? Cloverfield sized or whatever?

Plenty, although only Starro can really said to be anything like recurring.

 

[TacomaTruck90]

Oh alright. I sort-of agree with you. I think it could come off amazing if Batman fought aliens but there would have to be major limitations. I don't think seeing Bats up in space or on another planet would feel good to me. I'd probably roll my eyes.

But there's ways to do it on earth that can be cool.

It works in the comics and animation no problem, for obvious reasons. But on film, they have to change things around.

Thats true it did work well in that Justice League Cartoon ( well the orginal series i dont know how I feel about the reboot) Im they would have to changes thing around on film...Im really suprises all of you dont think General Savage would be a cool first villian to force them to work together...but these other villans I dont know much about since I wasnt really into DC comics until Batman Begins came out.. Who they give us when ever this movie comes out I'll go with I'm acutally really interested in who they would go with..

 

[Rorschach2012]

A lot of people think Vandal Savage would be a great first villain. Him, Maxwell Lord/OMACs, White Martians, Legion of Doom, Brainiac or Darkseid would all work really well

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

I think Brainiac should just be in a Superman movie. Unless he goes Super Saiyan or something, I don't see him taking on the entire League.

 

[smallville fan]

For a first JLA movie, I agree with one of the earlier people who answered go big or go home but also I definitely think they should also try something new in order to separate themselves from the Avengers.

With that in mind I had this idea. Seeing as a good number of people in the JLA(like Superman, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter) have a good affinity with all things alien and extraterrestrial, how about trying to set some of the movie in outer space/other worlds? It would be a great way to really expand their universe, and for the foreseeable future I only see the Avengers staying planet-side.

For villains, I wouldn't do Darkseid first go, I really like the Brainiac concept and he should make a great first villain, and what would be really cool is if he managed to accomplish the creation of a Brainiac apocalypse on different worlds where he basically set up puppet robots to continually absorb data from sentient worlds he imposes upon and Green Lantern and Martian Manhunter goes to Earth to recruit the members JLA to stop Brainiac on an intergalactic front before coming to Earth and taking the fight to him there after failing the first two times before really coming together in the battle of Earth. They should also film in different parts of the world to emphasis the global crisis of this threat unlike Avengers who restrict to one city.

Future villains I'd do after Brainiac: Darkseid, Ares and especially The Ant-Monitor I mean so you've done villains who just want to rule many worlds, what about someone who just wants to rule all of time and creation itself? I know it's a tall order but if you want to one-up the Avengers, go big or go home.

The way I'd do Anti-Monitor is something similar to how he was done in the Green Lantern animated cartoon. Basically him and his robot army of Manhunter robots who are all trying to rewrite time so he is the only ruling force.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Part of the appeal of the Anti-Monitor is what he did in Crisis On Infinite Earths, take that away and he is just a less interesting version of Darkseid.

 

[SlamAdams]

I agree but I do think there's a way to bring Darkseid in as a sort of introduction and not totally blow their wad. Bring Darkseid to earth and have him fight the heroes but don't delve too deep into the whole Apokolips/ New Gods mythos. Keep it simple. He's invading earth and the League needs to stop him. Then in JL 3 bring him back more powerful than ever and bring the League to Apokolips and introduce Orion and the New Gods for a huge epic spanning Apokolips and New Genesis. The stakes would be much greater than just protecting earth at that point. I think that could work well.

If you are going to do Darkseid, do it right. Don't do it half-assed so you can do it right later.

The Atlantean angle is the most intriguing to me. They are different from aliens but serve a similar purpose (an invading army from unknown origins). If you think of one of the classic Justice League missions (possible origin) where the White Martians invade and Martian Manhunter shows up, you can substitute Atlanteans for White Martians and Aquaman for Martian Manhunter (that is if WB doesn't want to use MM, I feel like I have read conflicting reports on that). I think introducing Aquaman like that and springboarding him into a possible solo would alleviate a lot of public misconception of him being a joke and the paranoia the studio exes probably have about it too.

 

[Rorschach2012]

 

[shauner111]

Thanos will be a thread throughout Avengers, Guardians, Avengers 2 then eventually Avengers 3.

DC needs to do something different. If JL is going to come out before Avengers 3, then they need to have him in the first film.

If not, then forget this building crap for Darkseid, you don't want to mirror Thanos. Do something different, there's other options, other gods for the first movie.

 

[Gamingboy]

Thanos will be a thread throughout Avengers, Guardians, Avengers 2 then eventually Avengers 3.

DC needs to do something different. If JL is going to come out before Avengers 3, then they need to have him in the first film.

If not, then forget this building crap for Darkseid, you don't want to mirror Thanos. Do something different, there's other options, other gods for the first movie.

Read what I wrote again. Having similar characters is not a problem, and Darkseid is different enough from Thanos when written right.

 

[gordonabishop]

Crossing my fingers for a Justice League trilogy:

In #1, some sort of organization similar to The Light from Young Justice, trying to rid the world of supers based on the belief that they are holding back humanity. Headed by Lex Luthor, of course.

In #2, Darkseid. Regardless of where he is placed in the trilogy, he will be compared to Thanos. I feel that it would be too soon to introduce Darkseid in the first JL.

In #3, Doomsday. And Superman dies in the end. HOORAY!

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

i think if you're gonna use doomsday, he should be the villain in mos 2. it would seem kinda ****ed up to have the league around and he still winds up dead. maybe the league could start because of his death.