Homecoming Who should reboot villain be? (Poll Version) - Part 1

Well not all villains need a detail origin story. Maybe a flashback scene about them. Or within the context of the film we are shown or told there origin bits.
Origins can be shown through flashbacks like Kingpins in DD. Another way is through one shots. I think they could really expand to be making multiple one shots per film, it wouldn't take a lot of time, but it would be able to be packed with story and origins, even if it skips fight scenes etc. The Item 47 (or whatever # it was) one shot was a bit empty feeling, because it never changed anything in the film, and didn't really show a lot of story. It seemed more like an episode of Tom and Jerry, there is no overall storyline, just a cool plot idea that makes for a great short film. One shots can become so much more! Origins of lesser known heroes and villains are just some of the best things to do. Obviously they need to make it clear the origins in the movie, they should not necessarily NEED to have an origin one shot. I mean, what if you watched DD and it never showed Matts or King's origins, until you were done and went to the extra features?
 
In Mysterio's case, all that is needed is for him to explain verbally how he made all the stuff and what his motives are. We don't need to actually see it.
 
In Mysterio's case, all that is needed is for him to explain verbally how he made all the stuff and what his motives are. We don't need to actually see it.
Yeah. Other villains it would be nice to have flashbacks though. It might also be good to have short flashbacks for Mysty too though... it all depends on how and when he reveals it all.
 
The desire for attention and fame is what sets him apart from other generic thieves. But one of the reasons he's so good for the debut solo is that he doesn't have a complex arc to duel for time with introducing the audience to the new world. However, he does have greater ramifications, as more than anyone else, Mysterio has what it takes to bring about the rise of theatrical, super-powered crime in New York.

True, but every villain in a film needs to be compelling. If all Mysterio does with his skills is rob banks or make Spidey think he is 6 inches tall or something, there is no real story arc, its just Mysterio doing generic criminal things, those are fine for an episode of a cartoon series, but for a film, something more epic. If Mysterio is not going to be sympathetic, I would like to see them go in the opposite direction and make him a pretty vile bad guy.

Mysterio trying to Spidey's flaws to destroy him, like his overdeveloped sense of guilt, makes for more of a character driven story then having Spidey just deal with random illusions while Mysterio does generic bad guy stuff. I think it would a more triumphant moment if Spidey over comes Mysterio's mind games and faces his overwhelming feelings of guilt and comes out stronger at the end for it, Mysterio's cruel attempts to destroy Spidey back fire and Spidey becomes stronger for it. I think that is compelling enough a tale for a movie and is different then what came in the past.
 
Yeah. Other villains it would be nice to have flashbacks though. It might also be good to have short flashbacks for Mysty too though... it all depends on how and when he reveals it all.

Id rather just find out everything towards the end, itd be more fun than being spoonfed everything along the way. A good writer can do that and make it better than knowing everything. Take the movie scream for example. It did a brilliant job in keeping the audience guessing until the end. Obviously we know its quentin beck, but wouldnt it be more interesting to not see quentin go mad and build his costume and see his motive and just have Mysterio? Maybe even at the end, he slips away by switching himself with a robot or something. Itd definitely be different than the rest of the movies seemingly defeating the villain at the end forever
 
Id rather just find out everything towards the end, itd be more fun than being spoonfed everything along the way. A good writer can do that and make it better than knowing everything. Take the movie scream for example. It did a brilliant job in keeping the audience guessing until the end. Obviously we know its quentin beck, but wouldnt it be more interesting to not see quentin go mad and build his costume and see his motive and just have Mysterio? Maybe even at the end, he slips away by switching himself with a robot or something. Itd definitely be different than the rest of the movies seemingly defeating the villain at the end forever
I agree fully! What I meant was that the flashbacks can be rolled out throughout the movie, or near the end, or not have any, depending on the character and the plot.
 
True, but every villain in a film needs to be compelling. If all Mysterio does with his skills is rob banks or make Spidey think he is 6 inches tall or something, there is no real story arc, its just Mysterio doing generic criminal things, those are fine for an episode of a cartoon series, but for a film, something more epic. If Mysterio is not going to be sympathetic, I would like to see them go in the opposite direction and make him a pretty vile bad guy.

Mysterio trying to Spidey's flaws to destroy him, like his overdeveloped sense of guilt, makes for more of a character driven story then having Spidey just deal with random illusions while Mysterio does generic bad guy stuff. I think it would a more triumphant moment if Spidey over comes Mysterio's mind games and faces his overwhelming feelings of guilt and comes out stronger at the end for it, Mysterio's cruel attempts to destroy Spidey back fire and Spidey becomes stronger for it. I think that is compelling enough a tale for a movie and is different then what came in the past.
But see, I think that for the first movie, they need to go with something drastically different, not another villain with a personal connection to Peter and a plot to take down Spider-man. The focus of the first film should be on establishing the world Peter lives in. Mysterio fills the role of the main villain not because he has some grand scheme or personal vendetta, but because he is the cities first true super-villain and no one knows how to handle this. So it's up to Spidey to save the day.
How about Kraven?
Kraven I think would be perfect for the 2nd, post-Infinity War solo, dealing with the black suit. His themes of "magic herbs" and giving in to animal instincts provide an excellent mirror to Peter's own journey combatting the urges of the symbiote.
 
But see, I think that for the first movie, they need to go with something drastically different, not another villain with a personal connection to Peter and a plot to take down Spider-man. The focus of the first film should be on establishing the world Peter lives in. Mysterio fills the role of the main villain not because he has some grand scheme or personal vendetta, but because he is the cities first true super-villain and no one knows how to handle this. So it's up to Spidey to save the day.
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Mysterio being the first super villain he faces, in of itself is not really compelling, you make Rhino the first villain and say he is compelling by being the first villain. You need more then that.

But that's not personal connection with Spidey though, Mysterio trying to make himself famous by driving Spidey mad is not a personal connection, he has no connect to Spidey's past and its not personal, he is using Spidey as a means to an end. Its more about sadism and ego on Mysterio's part then any true vendetta. Mysterio wanting to destroy Spidey because he wants to make a name for himself is worse in some ways then someone who thinks Spidey has wronged.

Again Mysterio is not going to be sympathetic, but doesn't get anything evil either, why I do care about him. He is just some generic bad guy, I have no reason to like or hate him, I need more of a reason to find him compelling then he happens to be a bad guy in a Spidey film, by that logic I should have found Electro or Venom compelling despite the fact they were both rather lame and not very compelling. If putting Mysterio in a film is just an excuse for giant set pieces, but he is just going to rob banks or something for two hours, count me out as wanting to see him as the main villain, that sounds like a gimmick rather then a character. If that is all Mysterio is going to do, what are the stakes of the film? If Spidey fails to stop Mysterio, what will Mysterio steal some marked, insured bills? Spidey failing to stop a bank robbery is not really the type of big stakes adventure you want to see on film.

Here is the problem with Spidey's rogues gallery, a lot of villains are more about gimmicks then characterization, so often writers write them as the same greedy one dimensional criminal, but with a different gimmick. Sometimes writers break some of these B-list villains out of that mold, but often they get lazy and they give B-list Spidey villains interchangeable personalities. I think a Mysterio who is obsessed with fame and uses psychological warfare, makes him different then say Shocker, who is motivated by greed and nothing else.

Movies have 3 acts structures with building action and a climax, what's Mysterio going do that would build towards a climax if he is not trying to destroy Spidey and provide him with a character arc?
 
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I think mysterio would be a great first villain. Again a different villain and one be good to see as he hasn't been used yet.
 
I'd like to see a properly done Rhino. And Shocker is a nother on my list of "New Villains" they could introduce.
 
If we're getting a trilogy, I want a big bad for the final one.
 
For the trilogy ender they could do the Doc Ock. I've said it a million times but I really like Ock.
 
For the trilogy ender they could do the Doc Ock. I've said it a million times but I really like Ock.
Doc Ock is my fav too! They really should make him the villain again.
 
I can see Marvel Studios introducing Doc Ock into this new series. He's too great to ignore him.
 
Plus Spider-Man vs a swarm of Octobots, leading up to him finally confronting Ock in a big final battle would be an Epic Finale.
 
Ock definitely needs to be used, but he needs plenty of buildup to him becoming a villain, then forming the Sinister 6. Make him the focus of a second trilogy.
 
Ock definitely needs to be used, but he needs plenty of buildup to him becoming a villain, then forming the Sinister 6. Make him the focus of a second trilogy.
But the second one will be Norman Aussie.
Right?
I would rather have build up too... more than just being shown a silhouette in 15 seconds of screen footage.
 
But the second one will be Norman Aussie.
Right?
I would rather have build up too... more than just being shown a silhouette in 15 seconds of screen footage.
In my "grand scheme of things", Norman will be brooding in prison after the events of Dark Reign, awaiting the commencement of the Thunderbolts program.
 
If Norman is in prison.Is there a chance for him to encounter Fisk?
 
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God damn it, spoiler tags please!

EDIT: Took out the quote.
 
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[BLACKOUT]If Norman is in prison.Is there a chance for him to encounter Fisk?[/BLACKOUT]

I'd say it's doubtful, since I'm sure Kingpin will be out by late Season 2 or early Season 3. Unless of course they bring in Bullseye or Elektra, then maybe they can hold him off for a bit longer. It may be possible, though.
 
God damn it, spoiler tags please!
Sorry, added. In all fairness you should probably edit your post as well since you quoted it.




@PeterBenParker,
I think it'd be a good chance to establish an alliance between the two.
 
We wouldn't just think of trilogy now with the mcu. We could see other spidey folks end up in other shows and films too.
 
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