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Sequels Who will be the main VILLAIN in a X-Men: Apocalypse Sequel?

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I know its kinda early to speculate this but this question always comes up into my mind :csad: everytime I think about the future of the X-Men like after X-Men: Apocalypse is released.

Like I want Apocalypse to like return in another X-Men movie, like I don't think I can deal if he's only a main villain for like 1 movie, I just don't think thats ideal for someone like Apocalypse but I also think Singer and the writers might want to give him a break then resurrect him or bring him back in another movie but not just in the direct sequel of X-Men Apocalypse.

I also think the possibility of Mr. Sinister finally making an appearance in the movies because like Apocalypse/Magneto, he's a big bad and he has his own mutant team and henchmen :woot: and I think given his history with Cyclops/Jean in the comics, they could use some of that in a movie.:drl:

Then with the ones that I just cannot imagine but at the same time, its like not so impossible to adapt into film like Shadow King or Onslaught, like you know dark mental villains. Or maybe Proteus too since Moira is back in the picture.

ETA: Also I think maybe Dark Phoenix has a chance to like appear again because fans want to see her again :ilv: and be executed by Bryan Singer :woot:. Then they could lead that up to X-Men going into X-Men, you know Shi'ar Empire stuff, Mkraan Crystal and Lilandra.:drl: That would be just crazy!!!:loco::gngl: I just hope we don't get some random villain like a d-lister in the comics or human villains again like Arcade :cmad:.
 
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They should really give Sinister a go, it would be something!
 
Sinister probably will be, but I think they should wait at least one movie before hitting him. Don't want them knocking out two top tier villains back to back all while magneto is burnt out. I'd rather they start this next phase/trilogy/whatever out smaller and work up to the bigger events.
 
While not ever really done in the comics, it would be easy to throw Sinister into a version of the Phoenix story.
 
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The Human Council aka the greatest Human/Sentinel villian team ever

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William Stryker
Trask
Donald Pierce
Graydon Creed
Cameron Hodge
Matthew Riseman
Leeper Queen
Bastion
Omega Sentinels
 
Mr. Sinister strikes me as the most likely. I'd love the Brood, but that's not likely. Cameron Hodge and the Right could be interesting, but I think they blew their chances with having a Warren Worthington connection.
 
If fox chooses mr. Sinister as gambit villain, i hope they don't throw his obsession on cyclops to gambit. It just like replacing the important material on cyclops history to gambit
 
I don't see Mr sinister being a gambit villain as I bet they will wanna save him for a X-Men team movie

With all these spin off you can't be using big villains all the time as there won't be any left
 
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Yeah, to me, Gambit would work fine with the Teeves Guild and Assassins Guild. Mr. Sinister would work better for a true X-Men villain.

The question is whether they want tow movies in a row of weird guys with ill-defined nearly unlimited power. Although has a release date been announced for a true X-Men movie? If Gambit and New Mutants both come out first, then things will be more fresh overall.
 
Unless Apocalypse tanks, I guarantee there will be a new X-Men movie with Singer and the new young cast.
 
Unless Apocalypse tanks, I guarantee there will be a new X-Men movie with Singer and the new young cast.

If Deadpool explodes I could see FOX abandoning the youngins in the past and moving forward with lower cost modern day films centered around Reynolds and (potentially) Tatum. It may make sense to leave the big budget mega-cast films to Disney and Warner Brothers, "zigging" while the other guys "zag"
 
If Deadpool explodes I could see FOX abandoning the youngins in the past and moving forward with lower cost modern day films centered around Reynolds and (potentially) Tatum. It may make sense to leave the big budget mega-cast films to Disney and Warner Brothers, "zigging" while the other guys "zag"

Yeah no.
 
If Deadpool explodes I could see FOX abandoning the youngins in the past and moving forward with lower cost modern day films centered around Reynolds and (potentially) Tatum. It may make sense to leave the big budget mega-cast films to Disney and Warner Brothers, "zigging" while the other guys "zag"

I doubt it for a lot of reasons. Having a PG-13 movie is something I don't think they'll pass up.
 
If Deadpool explodes I could see FOX abandoning the youngins in the past and moving forward with lower cost modern day films centered around Reynolds and (potentially) Tatum. It may make sense to leave the big budget mega-cast films to Disney and Warner Brothers, "zigging" while the other guys "zag"

Thats not gonna happen. Because as if the Deadpool sequel wouldn't get a budget raise and remain to be lower budget....
 
If Deadpool explodes I could see FOX abandoning the youngins in the past and moving forward with lower cost modern day films centered around Reynolds and (potentially) Tatum. It may make sense to leave the big budget mega-cast films to Disney and Warner Brothers, "zigging" while the other guys "zag"

You need to spend money to make money either way
 
You need to spend money to make money either way

Ultimately its going to come down to profitability. Rothman strongly considered moving on from X-Men OT films to solo origin projects due to the rising costs of the series, and while there has been a regime change in the interim the effects heavy, cast-o-thousands team up films are extremely pricey. If Deadpool makes bank on a $30-$60 million budget, why wouldn't FOX studio execs tell Donner, Kinberg and company to give us more of that? Especially if Apocalypse shows some softening at the BO in the face of increased competition in mega-budget superhero team up films?

If Deadpool does as well as trending indicates, the current X-Men universe looks to be in at least as good shape as the 80s version with the Deadpool heroes, Gambit, New Mutants and X-Force. Those films could potentially be done on more modest budgets than the X-men series. And given the franchise's somewhat "loose" treatment of continuity, standouts from the 80s Apocalypse movie can always join their mutant brethren in the present day.

FOX may very well greenlight more movies featuring New Jean, New Scott, New Ororo and New Kurt, but I wouldn't be surprised if the end of the First Class Trilogy is the last X-Men movie set in the past.
 
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If Deadpool explodes I could see FOX abandoning the youngins in the past and moving forward with lower cost modern day films centered around Reynolds and (potentially) Tatum. It may make sense to leave the big budget mega-cast films to Disney and Warner Brothers, "zigging" while the other guys "zag"

Oh wow, the haters and Disney/Marvel would love that wouldn't they?. They would want Fox to abandon the First Class crew because of the talent and potential of them and how the the young actors will grow into their roles with decades worth of storylines and make money in the process.
 
Oh wow, the haters and Disney/Marvel would love that wouldn't they?. They would want Fox to abandon the First Class crew because of the talent and potential of them and how the the young actors will grow into their roles with decades worth of storylines and make money in the process.

Why would Disney/Marvel and or the haters care? Disney and FOX signed off on a licensing agreement giving FOX greater control over the live action rights of the X-Men character family. Whether FOX keeps the characters in the past or focuses on the present day matters not one whit.

Another poster raised the possibility that the future of the X-Men series would center around Deadpool, Gambit, X-Force and New Mutants. I agreed that this was a reasonable possibility. That's all.
 
DOFP had a higher budget and made its money back and probably about 200 mil profit, while deadpool will have a 60 mil budget which will make less at box office then it would if it wasnt an R so could make 200 mil profit also.

So it makes no difference in the end apart from X-Men main team movies bein the flag ship series

We cant say for sure how well new mutants or gambit will do so you think they would just give up on the new cast in the flag ship. series?
 
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What if a few days before Apocalypse comes out, Singer announces Phoenix Saga Part I and Part II coming out the same years as Infinity War?

On the one hand, I think it'd be great, on the other hand, the constant bickering online over which movie is going to be better could be annoying.
 
Truth be told the main X-Men team is the more bankable, DOFP had a higher budget and made its money back and probably about 200 mil profit, while deadpool will have a 60 mil budget which will make less at box office then it would if it wasnt an R so could make 200 mil profit also.

So it makes no difference in the end apart from X-Men bein the flag ship series.

We cant say for sure how well new mutants or gambit will do so you think they would just give up on the new cast in the flag ship. series?

I don't know how accurate it was, but Deadline did an analysis of movie profits for 2014 films, and at $77 million DOFP came in just a tick over ASM2, less than half of the profit of Disney controlled releases GOTG, BH6 and CA:TWS. Which makes sense. Disney has full control over merchandising and doesn't have to pay a licensing fee for its Marvel films. And they've managed to keep Non-Downey actor costs down through long term deals.

If Deadpool is much more profitable than XM:A - and it potentially could be given the buzz surrounding the film and its very low cost - that could play a major role on the direction of the X-Men series going forward. While the recast "X-Teens" are promising, we have no idea whether or not the GA will respond to them to the same degree they embraced the OT versions of Ororo, Jean, Scott and Kurt. We shall see.
 
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Keep in mind, that Deadline article was pure speculation. Even the financial statements don't individually track movies. And from what I've heard, there are some very interesting tricks in Hollywood accounting.

The bigger key to how well a movie did is the company's response. ASM 2, deal with Marvel. DOFP, start ramping up X-film productions. It is clear which one was successful.
 
I don't know how accurate it was, but Deadline did an analysis of movie profits for 2014 films, and at $77 million DOFP came in just a tick over ASM2, less than half of the profit of Disney controlled releases GOTG, BH6 and CA:TWS. Which makes sense. Disney has full control over merchandising and doesn't have to pay a licensing fee for its Marvel films. And they've managed to keep Non-Downey actor costs down through long term deals.

If Deadpool is much more profitable than XM:A - and it potentially could be given the buzz surrounding the film and its very low cost - that could play a major role on the direction of the X-Men series going forward. While the recast "X-Teens" are promising, we have no idea whether or not the GA will respond to them to the same degree they embraced the OT versions of Ororo, Jean, Scott and Kurt. We shall see.
Why do you keep bringing that Deadline report when they didn't even get TASM2's report right :huh: Because you really want to believe that DOFP only got a $77 million profit. okay.

When the Sony leak incident happened, the profit report for TASM2 also came out and it turned out Deadline's speculation was wrong.
 

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