Who would you let Joss Whedon kill in Avengers 2?

Discussion in 'The Avengers Sequels' started by spideymouse, Jun 28, 2012.

?

Who would you let Joss Whedon kill in Avengers 2?

  1. Captain America

  2. Iron Man

  3. Thor

  4. Hulk

  5. Black Widow

  6. Hawkeye

  7. Nick Fury

  8. Maria Hill

  9. A new Avenger (please specify)

  10. A new SHIELD agent (please specify)

  11. Other (please specify)

  12. No one!

Multiple votes are allowed.
Results are only viewable after voting.
  1. Optimus27932

    Optimus27932 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2008
    Messages:
    411
    Likes Received:
    0
    Hey i agree with spideymouse in that maybe he hasnt had much in the MCU but at the same time i understand where the big thor is coming from also.Hawkeye really isnt too much a factor.
     
    #51
  2. Big Green

    Big Green Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2012
    Messages:
    1,751
    Likes Received:
    0
    What about Tony? It would really settle RDJ's future, and give him his grandiose exit from the franchise. Just have Thanos give him the business in front of the rest of the Avengers.
     
    #52
  3. BigThor

    BigThor God of Thunder

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2010
    Messages:
    18,225
    Likes Received:
    12
    I'm down with that, he's gotten enough shine and will certainly have had his fill by Avengers 2 or 3.
     
    #53
  4. natey2k4

    natey2k4 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2012
    Messages:
    210
    Likes Received:
    0
    Hawkeye is a leader. I'm hoping sequels build him up and maybe the new cartoon.
     
    #54
  5. BigThor

    BigThor God of Thunder

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2010
    Messages:
    18,225
    Likes Received:
    12
    ^ Lol wut?
     
    #55
  6. natey2k4

    natey2k4 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2012
    Messages:
    210
    Likes Received:
    0
    I meant in the comics, obviously. He wasn't given enough screen-time to develop his leadership qualities (although he did lead the bad guys pretty well in the film - and he was clearly one of the leaders of SHIELD, although we don't get as much backstory as I would have liked).

    In the Comics, he's lead plenty of his own groups. As of this moment he's currently the leader of the Secret Avengers and he's also one of the big players on the main Avengers team. He may not be the leader that Captain America is (even though Clint Barton has been Captain America before albeit very brief), but he's definitely the guy who is going to speak his mind and be listened to when he does.
     
    #56
  7. KangConquers

    KangConquers Purple Kang, Purple Kang

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2004
    Messages:
    7,142
    Likes Received:
    0
    I imagine if the GOTG are involved in Avengers 2, that Adam Warlock will end up dying, a'la

    [​IMG]
     
    #57
  8. BigThor

    BigThor God of Thunder

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2010
    Messages:
    18,225
    Likes Received:
    12
    If the GOTG ever meet up with The Avengers in the MCU, I really would like to see a Thor/Drax fight and eventual team up.
     
    #58
  9. the great thor

    the great thor Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2012
    Messages:
    81
    Likes Received:
    0
    i dont get all of this talk about how hawkeye is a leader, i mean hello we have cap and nick fury for that. why would we need another in regards to hawkeye, i will take the super-soldier with great war experience over a human being who shoots arrows.
     
    #59
  10. spideymouse

    spideymouse Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2007
    Messages:
    1,529
    Likes Received:
    0
    I don't know where the "Hawkeye is a leader" talk is coming from, but what makes Hawkeye a great character is he's sort of an anti-leader--a wise-guy maverick with a rebellious spirit who doesn't necessarily like taking orders--kind of like Han Solo. Like Black Widow, he has a criminal past and in that way he can relate to villains and believes in giving them second chances. He is a great foil for a leader like Cap as well as any superpowered hero, since he's a superhero who really has no powers. Again, they didn't dive into any of that in the movie, and that's probably why all you see in the character is that he shoots arrows.
     
    #60
  11. KangConquers

    KangConquers Purple Kang, Purple Kang

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2004
    Messages:
    7,142
    Likes Received:
    0
    Problem is, they went with Ultimate Hawkeye who is older than Captain America (well physically) and sort of a "good soldier". Vs the original dynamic of Captain America being the older brother figure.
     
    #61
  12. marcvader

    marcvader Lurker #1

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2006
    Messages:
    13,122
    Likes Received:
    4
    I think the guy who started the "Hawkeye as leader" conversation meant he wanted to see Hawkeye show some more leadership skills not necessarily be the leader of the Avengers. As KangConquers mentioned they went with more of a follower Hawkeye when he normally isn't that submissive especially in 616.
     
    #62
  13. spideymouse

    spideymouse Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2007
    Messages:
    1,529
    Likes Received:
    0
    That's too bad. I like the 616 dynamic.
     
    #63
  14. TheHeatKitchen

    TheHeatKitchen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2012
    Messages:
    1,173
    Likes Received:
    0
    Dr. Selvig, Maria Hill and possibly Pepper Potts and/or Jane Foster. Treat them like Coulson in the Avengers. Use them as en emotional driving force for the movie. You have to up the ante. You killed a fan favorite in the first one, can't (or shouldn't) kill a primary Avenger and you could only kill Fury if you'll put Stark in charge.

    Just my opinion. Keep in dark, keep the emotions high... maybe even kill Hawkeye.... MAYBE.
     
    #64
  15. BigThor

    BigThor God of Thunder

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2010
    Messages:
    18,225
    Likes Received:
    12
    That's very true but I think I prefer the silent loner Hawkeye over the oppositional overtly braggadocious Hawkeye in 616.
     
    #65
  16. Optimus27932

    Optimus27932 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2008
    Messages:
    411
    Likes Received:
    0
    I agree ONLY if you put Stark in charge.Would be a good SURPRISE moment if done right.They have to let Fury go out the right way (like Mace Windu did in SW:ROTS).This way you've got the emotional involvement included.
    Unless they do a DRASTIC change with Hawkeye i say let him go.
     
    #66
  17. Silvermoth

    Silvermoth Avenger

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2006
    Messages:
    14,130
    Likes Received:
    60
    So more or less kill all the women in the last Avengers movie?
     
    #67
  18. the great thor

    the great thor Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2012
    Messages:
    81
    Likes Received:
    0
    i get the feeling you are a hawkeye comic book fan, but there is a diffence between the comics hawkeye and what we got in the avengers movie, which is more down the ultimates path.i have never had much use for hawkeye as a character, i understand what he is supposed to be( a rebel who doesnt like authority and all) but i just dont think he is needed or important to the team. lets be honest the avengers would have won the final battle without hawkeye.he is only there for team interaction, and you can replace such a person with someone else.
     
    #68
  19. spideymouse

    spideymouse Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2007
    Messages:
    1,529
    Likes Received:
    0
    I'm actually not much of a comic book reader these days (I read some Spidey comics when I was younger, but not really avidly). Mostly, I just like interesting group dynamics in movies and TV shows where everyone brings something to the table, and I really like what Hawkeye brought to the table in the Avengers: EMH! cartoon.

    In a group full of super-powered, super-smart, larger-than-life heroes, I think it's compelling if you have a regular, non-powered guy in the middle of it all, not taking any guff from anyone, occasionally offering a voice of dissent, contributing a different perspective. Again, I know how they characterized Hawkeye in this first movie, but since they really didn't develop him at all, I don't think they have to stick to the brooding loner personality with him. If he has a bit more screen time (and not under a spell) in the next one, I think they are free to explore more of who he is and what he does bring to the table.

    Then again, you could maybe capture some of that with Hank Pym and Janet Van Dyne.
     
    #69
  20. natey2k4

    natey2k4 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2012
    Messages:
    210
    Likes Received:
    0
    Hawkeye played more of a part to the deciding part of the final battle than Captain America or Thor.

    Iron-Man stopped the nuke.
    Black Widow shut down the portal.
    Hawkeye got Loki off Widow's ass with a trick arrow.
    Hulk pummeled Loki.

    Captain America and Thor were doing an amazing job kicking ass and taking names - but to say Hawkeye didn't play a part is crazy.
     
    #70
  21. the great thor

    the great thor Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2012
    Messages:
    81
    Likes Received:
    0
    i am not saying hawkeye did not play a part, just not much of one. yes he saved bwidow and thats great but thats not anything special in and of itself (any teammate would have done the same) and if you look at your post, everyones actions have much more to do with the defeat of the aliens than hawkeye feats. he is just not suited to be on a team with gods, super powered monsters and iron men. he just looks out of place on this team to me.
     
    #71
  22. natey2k4

    natey2k4 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2012
    Messages:
    210
    Likes Received:
    0
    How was their purpose more important? How do you even know how many aliens Hawkeye killed? Every time it showed him, he was wiping them off like crazy. No different than Captain America, for example. Hawkeye and Cap both saved trapped people too.

    And it's not about just "saving bwidow" it's about saving her at the exact moment he did. Without Hawkeye blowing Loki up, Widow probably gets killed and the portal never gets closed.

    The only two who played a bigger part in the "ending of the portal/aliens) is Stark and Widow.

    And yeah, Hawkeye is not as strong as the gods, super soldiers, or hulks of the world. But he damn sure held his own. The guy is just a human (same with Widow) and they showed no fear.
     
    #72
    Last edited: Jul 14, 2012
  23. DrCosmic

    DrCosmic Professor of Power

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2011
    Messages:
    8,664
    Likes Received:
    1
    When you guys go back over it, it does sound like Hawkeye was an integral part, but I distinctly remember not feeling that way when I left the theatre. One of the images that stuck with me was Hawkeye collapsing onto the floor after using his last arrow to save himself. I remember knowing in that moment this guy is done, that's all he has to give to the team. I think he he had found some way to be relevant past that, he would have had my respect and admiration instead of just my acknowledgement.
     
    #73
  24. souNdwAve89

    souNdwAve89 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2012
    Messages:
    291
    Likes Received:
    0
    I wouldn't mind them killing any of the characters. I love all the characters in the MCU. If I had to choose, I would like them to kill off the big name, AKA Iron Man.
     
    #74
  25. natey2k4

    natey2k4 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2012
    Messages:
    210
    Likes Received:
    0
    Well the fight pretty much ended shortly after. We saw him moments later holding an arrow at Loki's eye. ;)

    Although, I laugh at that. He must have picked up an arrow on his walk over to Stark tower! Hahahaha.

    Ps. I wonder if Stark made Banner pay for the damage. ;) haha.
     
    #75

Share This Page

monitoring_string = "afb8e5d7348ab9e99f73cba908f10802"