Who's side are you on?

Discussion in 'Marvel Films' started by Silvermoth, May 24, 2013.

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Who's side are you on?

  1. Fox - quicksilver belongs with the x-men

  2. Marvel - quicksilver belongs with the avengers

  3. Neither - I never want Quicksilver to appear

  4. Both

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  1. Filmfreak

    Filmfreak Well-Known Member

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    Agree 100%. It's a totally biased way of thinking. Singer announced Evan Peters as Quicksilver like what? One week after Whedon? Not only the script was ready months before that but they had already started filming for six weeks. And in that week they sat down decided to put Quicksilver in just to "spite Marvel", rewrote the script to include him and found an actor to portray him. Really? Seriously that's not how movie business work. Is it an absolutely impossible scenario? I guess stranger things have happened. But is it the most logical assumption? Definitely not. Both studios probably sat down and discussed this long before we found out about it. The rest is just foolish talk and prejudice.
     
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  2. Loki882

    Loki882 Well-Known Member

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    Plus Singer has never struck be as the type of guy to be that petty, especially not with such and expensive and high-profile studio film.
     
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  3. SuperT

    SuperT Boom Shaka Laka

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    Why can't we have both?

    The entire premise of this thread is silly. Singer has already said before that Quicksilver was one character he's been wanting to work with. Heck, the character was originally in First Class but then was dropped. Not to mention, we've gotten word that QS plays into the character drama of DOFP.

    The idea that they placed him in DOFP at the last minute to piss off Marvel is fanboy wank in order to stoke the flames between studios.

    We've seriously turned into 13 year old girls fighting over which boy band is better. And all over what character? Quicksilver? :hehe:
     
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  4. Loki882

    Loki882 Well-Known Member

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    Actually, Black Widow was referred to by her codename ONCE in the MCU. It was in her introduction scene in TA. The Russian Mob guy who was "interrogating" her referred to her as "the famous Black Widow." Hawkeye was referred to as "the Hawk" by Dr. Selvig.
     
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  5. Chance Jackson

    Chance Jackson Well-Known Member

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    This is a good point
     
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  6. Spider-Aziz

    Spider-Aziz Raul Boston's Dish Gaunt

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    Neither
    Nothing against Quicksilver (as long as they don't use Ultimate version), but I hate his sister Wanda
     
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  7. DrCosmic

    DrCosmic Professor of Power

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    All of this.

    I was already weary of the constant "evil Fox" jargon, now we're asked to choose "sides." :whatever:
     
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  8. TheJediBrah

    TheJediBrah Well-Known Member

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    so you do care? Or do you mean you couldn't care less?

    confused.

    w0w

    pwned.

    Lol don't take that guy seriously, he's a joke.

    The whole "marvel not allowed to mention mutations" thing is just so ridiculous. "mutation" covers pretty much everything. Does that mean that Marvel isn't allowed to acknowledge evolution as a scientific theory? Are they all creationists? so stupid.
     
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  9. Dr. Evil

    Dr. Evil Well-Known Member

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    I think Fox has the copyright to the world "Mutants" not "Mutation" or "Mutant."

    Fox has no claim to the word "Mutant" due to these guys:

    [​IMG]

    Besides "Teenage Genetically Altered Ninja Turtles" does not roll of the tongue all that well. Otherwise, Fox would have stopped the movie from ever being made.
     
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  10. SuperT

    SuperT Boom Shaka Laka

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    Fox has the word "Mutant(s)" trademarked in context to the entire Marvel Universe. So Marvel Studios could say that Wanda & Pietro (and any other character) have powers due to their genes or whatever mutating since that's pretty vague but they can't call them Mutants.
     
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  11. TheJediBrah

    TheJediBrah Well-Known Member

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    oh well that's not so bad. I can't even see how that's an issue at all in that case.

    They could just say "their abilities are a result of genetic mutation" or something. It doesn't really tie their hands at all.

    I feel better now. What's all the fuss about anyway?
     
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  12. Iron_Stark

    Iron_Stark That's a one-off

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    Why is it when people talk about diversity they only mention African American/black actors? (Like Feige did in an interview a few weeks ago.) If people really want diversity start clamoring for some Asian and Hispanic actors to be in these movies. Whites(obviously) and blacks are presented very well in all of these Marvel movies, everyone else, not so much.
     
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  13. Iron_Stark

    Iron_Stark That's a one-off

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    Double post
     
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  14. pr0xyt0xin

    pr0xyt0xin Shaper Savant

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    I agree its ridiculous. But it's their legal restriction, not mine.

    Thanks for bringing up a 6 month old post by the way.
     
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  15. T"Challa

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    I'm not on anyone's side per say but just looking at the plot and the sheer number of characters in DOFP, i find it hard to imagine QS is going to get any significant development or characterization. If Whedon's crafts a more well-rounded and memorable QS simply because he can the give the character more attention and screentime, Singer could come out looking bad at the end of the day.
     
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  16. DaddlerTheDalek

    DaddlerTheDalek Starship Captain

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    I just say both.
     
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  17. DrCosmic

    DrCosmic Professor of Power

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    If they did have the copyright on the word, TMNT wouldn't be covered by it. Just because "Target" is copyrighted by the store doesn't mean I can't call my gym "Target Fitness."

    And the film rights aren't to the word, they're to the full concept. Marvel can't give the film rights to "Spider-Man" to Sony and then turn around and make a brand new superhero called "Spider-Man." Neither can they make up new superheroes and call them "Mutants." Unless any company can make up new superheroes and call them mutants without violating the intellectual property that Marvel has that they sold the film rights to.

    ((Edit: I re-read this, and this paragraph doesn't actually make much sense the way I wrote it, and I'm not sure if it even addresses what you're saying anymore, so, yeah, sorry about that.))

    They'll use the brain slot from IM3, good times, no worries.
     
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  18. venom892

    venom892 Coming Home

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    I feel like people have really overlooked the brain slot when it pertains to Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch. It is the most obvious route to go and it just makes sense.
     
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  19. TheJediBrah

    TheJediBrah Well-Known Member

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    I think if you're going out of your way to have diversity then you're already going the wrong direction. Just pick the best people for the best parts.

    It's pretty much affirmative action, and that's beyond stupid.

    Unfortunately in the world we live in the ignorant masses (ie Americans) will think everything is "racist" at the drop of a hat and this is just another one of the things that the studios have to pander to.
     
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  20. SuperT

    SuperT Boom Shaka Laka

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    It's not pandering or being ignorant if people want more representation on the big screen. Especially from Marvel, a company that has prided themselves on having a very diverse foundation of characters since it's creation.

    We're now seven movies deep into the Marvel movie universe and:

    - Never had an African-American character be more than a supporting role outside of Nick Fury

    - Never had any Hispanic, Asian (or other minority) character in a lead or supporting role that I can remember, although I could be wrong.

    - Outside of Black Widow, never had any female character outside of a supporting role or playing the girlfriend or damsel in distress to the main character.

    I'm not saying this is a problem specifically for Marvel Studios - it's a Hollywood/media wide problem - but it's not wrong to point these things out.
     
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  21. TheJediBrah

    TheJediBrah Well-Known Member

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    People saying that it is a "problem" is exactly what I'm talking about. If the most suitable person for a role is black, Asian or white then that's what they are. Going out of your way to choose actors of certain races is not only suboptimal, it's arguably even racist.
     
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  22. TheJediBrah

    TheJediBrah Well-Known Member

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    Anyway Anthony Mackie is gonna be falcon, they made Heimdall a black guy (awesome actor), Hogun is Asian, I think their doing pretty well in the diversity department anyway.
     
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  23. gildedmuse

    gildedmuse Snark Is A Superpower

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    Out of the six Avengers six of them are white. That's not "pretty well". That's "antebellum south".

    I, for one, absolutely love the actors we have in all four "big" roles right now and think they are perfect for their given roles, but how many African-Americans do you think they auditioned for the role of, well, Captain America? How many folks who would be considered to have a middle easterner appearance do you think had even the smallest chance of landing the lead role in Thor? I would suggest that there is probably an Asian actor with the talent and charisma to have taken on the role of Stark but I don't even have to go that far because Banner has been played by three different actors in various quality roles that almost certainly could have been filled by others, and yet all three have been white.

    The problem with saying that the best person should be chosen for any given role is that Hollywood almost always casts white, and then THAT gets tossed out as a defense. "Oh, but they were just casting the best possible actor!" The fact is that generations of prejudice have given rise to an unfair system so that even when an honest attempt to just cast the most talented actor is made white actors already have a step up over any minority actor in the same role. It's a cultural bias that is so deeply embedded that they have an undo amount of privileges inherent in the system.

    Which is exactly why it's so vital for people to take notice of things like this and to demand change. Because what we have now is base on these little subconscious biases that, in some ways, are harder to deal with that all out racism. At this point if there was someone standing in a film studio saying "we're only going to cast white males for leads - those other people should be glad we're letting them be sidekicks in so many of these movies nowadays!" we could just call that person out and publicly shame them because we all know that is messed up. But no one is saying that. Instead it's predicated on things like "star power" and "biggest comic book name". Well, most of the stars are white males and most of the biggest superheroes are white males because most of our culture is based on old, outdated ideas. The only way to get change is to invite it.

    Plus, Black Panther looks so awesome. And he can climb walls! He's like Spider-man if Spider-man were a cat! And king of his own country! So nothing like Spider-man, that's fair.

    Sidenote-That-Is-Actually-On-Topic: I had the strangest crush on Quicksilver when I was a kid (I also have this thing about sibling relationships in media - maybe it's just that I'm an older sister myself). I am still in shock that he's in two live action movies. Has he even been in non-live action films? My only regret is that we'll never see Stark and him get into a pissing match over whose father failed them more. Le sigh. But, yeah, I haven't really seen an X-film since X3, and I'm still cool with them sharing.
     
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  24. Dr. Evil

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    I think Kevin Feige and Joss Whedon know this, but they can't just shoe horn "diversity" for the sake of diversity. It would have to fit the story. The best chance is Falcon appearing in Age of Ultron, and right now we don't know if that's actually going to happen.
     
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  25. TheJediBrah

    TheJediBrah Well-Known Member

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    VVV

    trying to force diversity for the sake of diversity is going full ******. Most of the avengers are white characters. You wouldn't cast a black Thor anymore than you'd cast a white Shaft in a movie.

    As much as most americans seem to want to believe, everyone isn't racist and picking on minorities. They are casting who's best. If anything it's actually the opposite, studios are going out of their way to cast minorities over equally/more qualified white people because of the cries of the ignorant public for "diversity".
     
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