Superman Returns Why didn't Singer read the SM DC Archives?

[The Kid]

That's ridiculous. Singer chose to create a story in an established continuity because EVERYONE knows the Superman story. another Superman origin story would be redundant and repetitive.

And if you do want to get to know the characters before the events in SR, Singer has cleverly gave you an established history.. Superman The Movie and Superman II. Don't like them? Tough luck.

I'm afraid you can't say that without watching superman the movie and superman II yourself to see how inconsistent the characterizations are with returns... but Nail hit on head, bryan. I know, man... that's exactly what this recycled STM comes across as to a lot of people. Don't get me wrong, the kid was great, I even liked the idea of a dog eating another dog but so much of it was reliant on donner's superman it became tiring, and almost a parody of that classic film.

 

[Kabuki_Jo]

Singer was recently overheard saying...

"wait a minute, Superman was a comicbook character?"

LOL.

 

[DogofKrypton]

No, it's Superman's character arc. You probably missed it when you were ignoring the movie to think about how much you wanted an origin story.

Yes, EVERYONE is wrong but you, right?

BS made a BAD Superman movie. Not a bad movie, a bad SUPERMAN MOVIE. No matter how much you try to "Defend" this film, it doesn't change that.

 

[Kabuki_Jo]

No, it's Superman's character arc. You probably missed it when you were ignoring the movie to think about how much you wanted an origin story.

No, it's Singer's writers sloppy writing.

 

[_Qwerty_]

Yes, EVERYONE is wrong but you, right?

BS made a BAD Superman movie. Not a bad movie, a bad SUPERMAN MOVIE. No matter how much you try to "Defend" this film, it doesn't change that.

This is the most hypocritical post I have ever seen. You are trying to call me out on believing my opinions are fact, and then you say that Superman Returns is a terrible Superman movie because you say so?

 

[X Knight]

sigh......why couldn't a director bring us a fresh, new take on the Superman mythos.....and new direction for a new generation of fans......while at the same time still remaining TRUE to Superman's CORE......

Burton's and Abram's takes on Superman seemed different and radical....yes.......but it seemed they changed the character too much.......

However, Singer, in his own way, despite modeling his direction after Donner's, changed the character's essence......his core.......taking the one Superhero who should be NOBLE and PURE in his moral behavior..........and turning him into a shameful shell......who belongs more on Jerry Springer.......

That, above all else.....singlehandedly ruined the film for me. Not Singer's affinity for Donner's vision and universe.....not the exclusion of the "American Way" phrase.......No, it was his ruining of Superman's character that ruined the film for me.

 

[X Knight]

to be fair to Qwerty.......he/she is certainly free to like SR! There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Just like.....some people liked Batman Begins, some didn't.....some like the Spiderman movies......some didn't.....same with Xmen.....Hulk.....Daredevil....Fantastic Four.......Matrix.......or any other movie.

Just as Qwerty has every right to like the movie, praise it, and defend it......I have every right to say why I didn't like the movie............

 

[DogofKrypton]

This is the most hypocritical post I have ever seen. You are trying to call me out on believing my opinions are fact, and then you say that Superman Returns is a terrible Superman movie because you say so?

Actually, read your own sometime. Do you see me going in a thread about a certain topic, telling people to "Get over it" and stop talking about THAT TOPIC? No, no I don't. But you do, so don't even try to call other's hypocritical.

And I'm done with you.

Back on topic, he didn't read them because his ego was clouding his vision.

 

[X Knight]

hey all....while we're discussing Singer's lack of using other source materials......

did anyone here feel that Singer's SR seemed to completely "counteract" what the Smallville series is trying to establish????

I mean....think about it......regardless of the actual plot points and acting prowess on the show......

the entire premise of Smallville is to show that Superman, an alien from a distant planet.....who will become the world's greatest superhero ( sorry Bat fans.....but Bats is the world's greatest crimefighter....lol ) is who he is.......because of how he was raised.....by humans.

His character, morals, and code of conduct are shaped largely by his loving, strong-willed adoptive parents ( the Kents ). Clark is raised to be someone with a strong sense of RESPONSIBILITY, VALUES, LOYALTY, and STRONG SENSE OF FAMILY. Ultimately......this will make Superman SUPER in HOW he behaves....not just in his abilities....

So.....given that premise........I don't think Smallville Clark.....upon becoming Superman......would even do what Singer's Supes did.....

That is.....he wouldn't have just abandoned his adopted world ( and Lois, his mom, his friends ) for 5 long years.

He wouldn't have slept with Lois without protection ( even Clark used protection when he slept with Lana on Smallville )..........he wouldn't have used his Superman persona to have sex with a woman without telling her who he is ( that's abusing your power and "celebrity" status ).......

In short........Superman, after all the lessons and experiences growing up in smallville.........would not have acted so irresponsibly and selfishly.......abandoning not only his adopted home ( Earth ) but also the woman he so deeply loves and his mom.

Plus......Smallville's Martha Kent is a strong woman.........even without her husband ( another strong character )....she would never have let her SON just up and leave the world and Lois like that!!

She would sat Clark's a** down and given a little "talk" about important issues like RESPONSIBILITY and FAMILY......

So....it just seems Singer's Superman totally counteracted what the Smallville show is trying to accomplish.

 

[X-Maniac]

it just seems Singer's Superman totally counteracted what the Smallville show is trying to accomplish.

Smallville's Superman is exactly how an alien child would be, and feel.. it shows his loneliness, his holding back, his secrets... it shows the values he learns from his parents...

Singer's Superman isn't a real Superman - he's a stalker/peeper who abandons a woman for five years without telling her where's he's going. This is totally out of character. The ideas for the story came without them ever thinking them through properly. Terrible portrayal. Bring on Smallville. Season 5 is out soon! Yippee!

 

[dpm07]

Back on topic, he didn't read them because his ego was clouding his vision.

You nailed that one on the head.

Singer really illustrated his overinflated ego and arrogance by doing such a fetish film associated with the Donner movie. It looks like he's going to continue this tirade on into the sequel despite the fact that the fans want some originality, as well as some connection to other elements of Superman other than the Donner franchise.

It's a travesty to the character of Superman that Singer is being allowed to work on this. If he really understood the character, he'd realize how much damage he's done to it already. Instead, his overinflated ego is continuing his march onward, which will likely continue Superman's spiral downward at the box office.

 

[X Knight]

well said x-maniac and dpm07.....well said

 

[_Qwerty_]

Actually, read your own sometime. Do you see me going in a thread about a certain topic, telling people to "Get over it" and stop talking about THAT TOPIC? No, no I don't. But you do, so don't even try to call other's hypocritical.

I didn't do that. What I did was, started to discuss the suit, and my entire opinion was discounted by buggs because he has an unhealthy hatred over peices of fabric. I told buggs to get over his hatred. I did not barge in there and tell everyone in the thread they should stop discussion altogether.

Back on topic, he didn't read them because his ego was clouding his vision.

You don't know if he read anything or not. It seems your ego is clouding your common sense.

 

[Smegger56]

I think Singer did a very good job of 'reintroducing characters in an exhisting continuity'.

I look at it as him doing a remake and sequel all in one go. Yes, it felt like SM: the movie, but it also brought some added stuff in it. Instead of an origin film, we get a film of him looking to find his place in the world again.

Instead of two nuclear bombs destroying the west coast, Luthur usesa kryptonian crystal to create new land... a new krypton.

Yes, some ideas where the same, but executed differently. For me, this was a way of making you, the audience, remember this film is in the same continuity as the original two Donner films, giving you a sense of nostalgia and givinbg you something new. It was a good way to reintroduce a character.

The one gripe i have with Singer is the fact he refers to the original two films as a vague history for SR. I think he should just come out and say that it is a sequel to the Donner films, as a lot of the moments in the film seemed to suggest... and the simple fact that Brando and Geln Ford (in a picture) where in the film.

I'm all for Singer doing a sequel to SR, as it think he will now take it further forward. However, if he does reuse Zod and the others... let's not go there. But, i have faith in Singer.

Just remember, it could've been Burton, McG or Ratner at the helm. And would you much rather have Superman 3 or 4???????

I'm greatful for this film.

 

[explode7]

So Spiderman remains the only good superhero movie out there.

 

[Smegger56]

Say what. Your opinion.

I'm a Marvel man, but DC EASILY have the better superhero flicks out. SM the movie, BB and now SR. Spiderman 1 is a good flick, nothing special. But Spiderman 2 was just plain bad. Bar the Dok Ock moments.

 

[_Qwerty_]

So Spiderman remains the only good superhero movie out there.

So you've forgot about Batman Begins, Hellboy, X-Men, X-Men 2, Batman, Batman Returns, Superman: The Movie and of course, Superman Returns?

 

[WormyT]

 

[explode7]

Thats hilarious Wormy.

 

[explode7]

So you've forgot about Batman Begins, Hellboy, X-Men, X-Men 2, Batman, Batman Returns, Superman: The Movie and of course, Superman Returns?

Thanks for reminding me the only movie I forgot was X - Men 3

 

[DogofKrypton]

You don't know if he read anything or not. It seems your ego is clouding your common sense.

I'll only respond to this portion, and only once, as it is obvious you are just looking to start trouble:

I know because I saw the movie.

NOW I am done with you.

 

[_Qwerty_]

I'll only respond to this portion, and only once, as it is obvious you are just looking to start trouble:

I know because I saw the movie.

NOW I am done with you.

You know because you saw the movie? If you are going to use that as 'evidence', then i'll inform you that the scene of Superman hovering above earth is straight from Superman: Secret Identity. There was also another comic showing a young Clark Kent running through a cornfield. How about the imagery of Martha Kent cradling her unconcious son in her arms, reflecting Lois holding Superman's dead body in Death of Superman?

You also forget one of the blogs showed concept art that was a manip of a panel from Superman: Peace on Earth. In fact Alex Ross was a strong influence in the production.

 

[The Kid]

So Spiderman remains the only good superhero movie out there.

No that movie's terrible. The best superhero comicbook movie is now is still STM after all these years, though I'd say batman returns isn't far off followed by X-men 2, Rocketeer, Hulk, Ninja turtles, spider-man 2, Batman, Daredevil DC, Batman Begins, X-men, etc. the donner cut of superman 2 might top them all. we'll see.

 

[Steelsheen]

 

[X-Maniac]

You know because you saw the movie? If you are going to use that as 'evidence', then i'll inform you that the scene of Superman hovering above earth is straight from Superman: Secret Identity. There was also another comic showing a young Clark Kent running through a cornfield. How about the imagery of Martha Kent cradling her unconcious son in her arms, reflecting Lois holding Superman's dead body in Death of Superman?

You also forget one of the blogs showed concept art that was a manip of a panel from Superman: Peace on Earth. In fact Alex Ross was a strong influence in the production.

And those very few comic-inspired moments are still not good enough. I certainly recognised the scene of him hovering above earth and while it is a beautiful shot, a beautiful shot does not make a beautiful movie.