why do people consider andrew garfield's peter parker a jerk?

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  1. Spider-knight

    Spider-knight Well-Known Member

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    why do they even think he's an unlikable character? i mean sure how he got into oscorp was unforgivable and the aftermath of uncle ben's death was total crap but everything he did was understandable and nice. like after being tossed by the lizard peter took off his mask to cal a kid down and while the car was on fire peter gave him confidence. he also took a beating for a defensless kid. he also cared about saving connors and the rest of the city for turning int a city of lizards and keep this in mind it wasn't because he was ordered to it was because he had to do what is right even going all out with a bullet in his leg. he also save da school from the lizard. the reason he yelled at his aunt was because he was under pressure looking for his uncle's killer and he was afraid because he hurted aunt may and all he did say was "please PLEASE go to sleep aunt may!" while he was in tears. i also read or heared some ridiculous statements on him messing with flash made him a *****e-_- it's like people thin k he's like the modern day patrick star from the modern day spongebob.

    any thoughts?
     
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  2. CyclopsWasRight

    CyclopsWasRight Well, he was.

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    But seriously, they just over-analyse. Peter was portrayed as a modern day teen, I think some wanted an aw-shucks howdy doody 60s teen like in the original comics so they chastise this version because it's not that.
     
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    He wasn't a jerk, just an not fully matured "teenager" with all that angst and "my parents/the world doesn't get me" (although they don't because he is different lol) attitude. Comparing to Tobey's Spider-Man, yeah Garfield is a bit more edgier, but I think it fits better than Tobey's awkwardly geeky Spider-man (for example the classroom scene in the beginning of SP3) who looks like he is a completely grown man that should be well done with school and should have already had a job and family. Garfield although being the same age as Maguire when he played Spider-Man, Garfield being 30 now and Maguire being 30ish in SP3, Garfield just looks younger and can pull off the teenager less awkwardly. So it isn't the matter of him being a jerk, its just a different approach, similar to Peter in the different series of comics. Garfield portrays what would be the "modern day" Peter in my opinion.
     
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  4. Spooderman

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    The scene with the car thief was also pretty bad. He could easily have taken out the theif, but decided to shove his crotch in his face for some reason. The writers got Spider-Man's quips wrong; he primarily does it because he knows his life was in danger, and lightens up the mood. He makes a lot less quips when he actually is in danger, fighting the Lizard (although this is somewhat understandable since Connors is his friend)

    Also, 'the best promises are the ones you can't keep'. Seriously couldn't have worded that better?

    I haven't seen TASM2 but depantsing Rhino also makes him a bigger jerk. He's also rude to his aunt when he calls her "laundry sheriff" and tells her he was cleaning the chimney. Plus he visits Harry just to tell him that he couldn't have his blood. What was the point of visiting him in the first place then?
     
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  5. Visualiza

    Visualiza Jimmy Scrambles

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    Glad I'm not the only one who thinks so. The defenders of this film seem to maintain, however, that any wise cracks, regardless of how appropriate they are, are enough for them. I've said it before, but he acted more like Deadpool rather than Spider-Man in many cases.

    :up:
     
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    StarkTheProdigy Well-Known Member

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    With my statement being said, I am in no way saying the new writing for Peter is superior than Maguire's Spider-Man. Garfield just does the best he can with what he has.
     
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  7. chaseter

    chaseter Esteemed Member

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    Garfield does not look like a 17 year old.
     
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    I didn't think he was a jerk as much as he was "too cool" for Peter Parker; which is why I prefer Tobey. He was a dork.
     
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    Morbius Living Vampire

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    He stole my lunch money and beat me up.
     
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  10. Spider-knight

    Spider-knight Well-Known Member

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    Peter is a geek and a need but tobey acted more and more like a nerd rather than a person and much like Peter
     
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  11. MM2Dylan

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    I still like Tobey's Peter, but he's almost too aw-shucksy sometimes. Case in point, him doing that goofy little rehearsal of his ring-in-champagne proposal to MJ before she arrived for dinner in Spider-Man 3. It's like, "I get it, he's a dork." Haha.
     
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  12. chaseter

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    ASM depicts Peter as a science loving outsider, loner, a woe is me the world is against me and no one understands me. SM1 depicts Peter as a science loving awkward outsider geek. The main difference between the two is Tobey made him more relatable and likeable. Andrew's depiction was more abrasive to the audience and to the characters in the world depicted. ASM Peter was abrasive so that translates into seeming dickish.
     
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  13. MessiahDecoy123

    MessiahDecoy123 Psychological Anarchist

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    Because they never heard of a character arc.
     
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    I don't know man, I found Andrew's Peter to be more relatable than Tobey's.

    I don't know why people consider Andrew's Pete to be a jerk. That has always confused me.
     
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  15. Visualiza

    Visualiza Jimmy Scrambles

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    You keep saying that as if it's some sort of self-evident truth, but I'm not seeing a lot of points brought up to support it.

    If that's all you've got, then suffice it to say, you don't have much of an argument.

    I guess the rest of us simpletons are too dumb to understand, right?
     
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  16. Flint Marko

    Flint Marko Bring me Thanos

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    I like Garfield's portrayal a lot. I don't find anything about him unlikeable, just immature. Which is kind of the point.
     
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  17. spider-neil

    spider-neil spins a web any size!

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    Peter was a little unlikeable in ASM but his uncle had died so he isn't going to be all laughs. Even as Spidey his wisecracks had an edge to them, like Spidey was not to be messed with.
    In the sequel he is a lot lighter and funnier. I like both versions but I much prefer the ASM2 version.
     
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  18. Andrew Lucas

    Andrew Lucas Young Wolf

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    Garfield portrayal is way better IMO.
     
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  19. MessiahDecoy123

    MessiahDecoy123 Psychological Anarchist

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    The character arc in ASM was pretty obvious to me.

    When Parker first becomes Spider-man he is arrogant, that arrogance becomes anger and frustration after Uncle Ben is killed, but the moment Parker sees the father hug his son on the bridge, he realizes how important it is to be a hero. From that point on he is pretty much selfless and tries to amend what is broken.
     
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    He is disrespectful to Aunt May, Captain Stacy, and he is too broody. Sitting in class with his hod up hunched over his desk. That's not Peter Parker. He seems more interested in the parents he barely knew than his Uncle's memory.

    He is an unlikable character.
     
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  21. Spider-knight

    Spider-knight Well-Known Member

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    He doesn't even seem disrespectful to his aunt and the table at George Stacey was understandable since Peter did take offense to his view on spidey
     
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  22. Spider-knight

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    ASM Peter seemed down on his luck much like how I was in high school and he didn't seem that all depressed. He seemed to be alright with his family and girlfriend. Also a loner is also someone who doesn't have any friends. You were right about tobey but the problem is that he acted too much like a nerd it's just hilarious. I get that Sam raimi wanted to make him more human but he never seemed all that human and you can't do so etching like that to Peter.
     
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    Oh and he also broke a promise to a dead man.
     
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    All versions of the character involve him getting a swelled head and selfish attitude. Then Uncle Ben dies as a result of that attitude and he learns with great power, comes great responsibility, yadda, yadda, yadda.

    The problem with ASM Peter is that he never learns that. They got the first part right and forgot the part where he learns the error of his ways. He never evolves as a character and just keeps the same selfish attitude and making the same mistakes as the pre-Ben's death Peter. So he comes off as unlikable.
     
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    He agreed but weeks or days later he decided to break it probably because he was optimistic which is reasonable yet unreasonable at the same time. But I guess that's being human.
     
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