Why does everyone talk crap about this series?

i'm affraid i must dissagree with you on every show. it just seems like all the work done in the dcau to make these characters more intellegent and respected by the general public is being spit at. i understand they're aimed at kids, but john q public will take these as the accepted view of these charaters and will once again look down upon us comic fans
 
I don't hate it I love all the Batman series..however some are better than others....just because of the story line and artwork. Anyone know where I can buy the full animated series of the justice League. I have a lot of the Marvel cartoons i.e Ironman, The Avengers, Fanstaic Four 90's/70's, and Silver Surfer on DVD.
 
gkutter said:
I don't hate it I love all the Batman series..however some are better than others....just because of the story line and artwork. Anyone know where I can buy the full animated series of the justice League. I have a lot of the Marvel cartoons i.e Ironman, The Avengers, Fanstaic Four 90's/70's, and Silver Surfer on DVD.
they're selling it in series like they did batman and superman.try wal mart of target and if you can't find it there, try fye
 
Fred_Fury said:
Mr. Freeze in The Batman is so much better than the outdated 50's sci-fi-esque Mr. Freeze from BTAS
Yes his abilities rock but I just hate what they did to his origin. It just ain't Freeze like that. And i hate that they cut The Edge'd theme out . . . for that, and what they did to Freeze, I can't watch it anymore. But I love how The Batman moves in that show.
 
IzzyJG99 said:
Presumably they'll probably launch a new Justice League inspired cartoon. Matsuda has said that he, in his words "Felt the Justice League done by Timm is too soft."

Justice League
1. Justice League has shown Nazis and Adolf Hitler
2. Numerous sex references
3. Deaths (Solomon Grundy, Ace, Darkseid, Katar Hol, Shayera Hol)
4. Aquaman cuts off his own hand
5. Villains sometimes met horrible fates (Dr. Destiny...comatose, Doomsday...Phantom Zone, Devil Ray...shot and killed by Batman/Deadman, Apokolips...massive civil war, Mongul...black mercy illusion)
6. Blood

The Batman
1. The Batman has never topped Justice League in terms of what can be considered mature content.

Yeah, Justice League was done "Too Soft" from the man who made the show that was originally meant to promote Batman Begins and sell Mattel toys. :rolleyes:
 
I'd like to see where Matsuda says that. It cracks me up how people pit Matsuda against Timm like they're bitter rivals or something. You guys every consider that they're two TOTALLY different artists with two TOTALLY different visions for the DIFFERENT shows they're working on?

It's like elementary school....my artist can beat up your artist.
 
i don't think it's that, it's just that matsuda called jl too soft considering the "hardness" of his cartoons.
 
I love Batman . . . but The Batman's Batman can't touch JLU Batman.
 
Fred_Fury said:
Mr. Freeze in The Batman is so much better than the outdated 50's sci-fi-esque Mr. Freeze from BTAS
So Freeze should look like a ****ing crystallized action figure? Good call, Fred.
 
The Knight said:
i hear its bad, but i havent even watched the show yet, whats it on? cartoon network or somthing??
If you really want to hurt yourself, just cut your wrists open. It's faster, and more final. Remember, Rippy the Razor says go across the street, not down the block.
 
batknight27 said:
that this is supposed to be an Extreme take on the characters and their designs reflect that.
Do you remember a quickly-scrapped action figure line featuring the Bat-people and villains in a future age with all kinds of futuristic wackjob technology? I think it was called Cyber Revolution or something, and it was billed as much the same kind of "X-TREME" bull****.

X-TREME bull**** is not good bull****. It's still bull****. That's why nobody except high school kids that aren't nearly as cool as they think they are, and stoners, dig the X Games.

batknight27 said:
But I like the series for what it is, the 60's Batman played straight.
Oh, would that this were the case. Would that Adam West's brilliant absurdist talents were in any way involved with The Batman, so that I could at least know that if they're going to bastardize my favorite character in all of fiction, they're going to do it with a talented actor.
 
IzzyJG99 said:
Presumably they'll probably launch a new Justice League inspired cartoon. Matsuda has said that he, in his words "Felt the Justice League done by Timm is too soft."
If that turns out to be true I will personally throttle you for having said it aloud...or atype, I guess. I don't care if he doesn't like JL/JLU, that's his opinion. But if he even comes close to the Justice League...oh God, what is happening to superhero animation, when a man who makes kiddie-toons to sell toys can claim to make the Justice League "harder"?
 
MaskedManJRK said:
One thing that's never made sense to me:

People b***h about Freeze using puns in TB, and yet watching Heart of Ice, I notice just as much cold puns, and no one says s**t.

Could someone explain this to me? :o
Differently used. TB's Freeze uses puns to be funny, or something like that. BTAS's Freeze used metaphors, introspectively comparing his physical condition to his emotional state. Not really the same.

MaskedManJRK said:
Anyway, from what I've seen of the show, the seasons follow somewhat akin to the quality of Star Trek movies--the even number movies are badass, the odd ones suck.
You LIKED The Voyage Home? You can't even play the drinking game with that one! They don't say Sir enough!
 
Bathead said:
As far as the changes in the designs of characters, let's not forget, BTAS did just as many changes from the comics as did The Batman. To criticise The Batman for the changes and not BTAS is somewhat hypocritical, IMO.
Again, I think the complaints are more that the show is not BTAS as much as anything else.
Nope. Pretty much just that it blows ass. That's really where I'm coming from. Major ass-blowing going on. I remember when I first heard about the show, I was super-pumped and excited for a new Batman show. Then I ****in' watched it.

As for BTAS changing designs: yeah, but they didn't make anyone into a high school punk poseur, or goth poseur, or deep-frozen action figure. Or Blue Beetle with terrible "quips."
 
0neDisturbedSOB said:
How about....who cares?
Anyone who wants their superhero fiction to retain an ounce of respectability. Let Marvel bastardize their characters in every media. DC has more of a responsibility to the characters than Marvel does, because DC has a richer history and a longer history. If all it takes for you to lake a show is that has somebody who claims to be Batman, if you don't hold fiction to a certain standard of proving that its characters are who they say they are, if all you need are names and not accurate characterizations, then go home, watch Super Friends, and have an ice evening.
 
jaydawg said:
Too soft? TOO SOFT? Having Nazis, routinely showing deaths (something TB would never dream of attempting), addressing fascism, having the JL take over the world, lobotomizing villains and blowing up and entire ****ing city with a nuclear weapon is soft?
Of course it is. Matsuda's version would have a guy who looks like a popsicle, and X-TREME DESIGNS DOOD, and lots of pointless gadgets, and a pointless DTV featuring a fantasy villain who has no place interacting with superheroes. Justice League vs. Frankenstein's Monster: coming to DVD this fall! If that ain't hardcore, I don't know what is!

Let's imagine how bad they'd rape Captain Cold. Could it conceivably be worse than Freeze?
 
droogiedroogie2 said:
Differently used. TB's Freeze uses puns to be funny, or something like that. BTAS's Freeze used metaphors, introspectively comparing his physical condition to his emotional state. Not really the same.

You LIKED The Voyage Home? You can't even play the drinking game with that one! They don't say Sir enough!

MOST people liked Voyage Home
 
0neDisturbedSOB said:
I'd like to see where Matsuda says that. It cracks me up how people pit Matsuda against Timm like they're bitter rivals or something. You guys every consider that they're two TOTALLY different artists with two TOTALLY different visions for the DIFFERENT shows they're working on?
It was your side that posted the comment about selling toys. And maybe Timm and Matsuda wouldn't be percieved as rivals if Matsuda wasn't talking **** on Timm's obviously superior work. And they're not TOTALLY different shows--they're actually sort of the same, in that they're both about the same characters involved in the same general activities: crimefighter vs. criminal. And then they're also admittedly different, in that The Batman sucks total balls.
 
Fred_Fury said:
Why does everyone talk crap about this series?
Because some true fans of the original Dark Knight put years of hard work into bringing Batman from the grave of that silly 60's show. Neal Adams, Frank Miller, Bruce Timm . . etc. These people got sick of seeing their favorite fictional character be on the recieving end of the worst sort of gay jokes and spent years of their lives creating master pieces that SET STANDARDS! They made the character what he was meant to be. A dark guardian angel who was a character to be taken seriously. "The Batman" took all of that art and soul and put it right back where it came from. When they had The Edge's theme it started out rather good. Then they mucked up Freeze'z origin . . . they Darwined the Joker and then they canned The Edge's theme for something that reminds me so much of the 60's show that I just can't watch a series that trashes all the wonderful work that people who have so much love for this character spent all these years producing. And now the creator of the show is hacking on "Justice League"?! This show deserves all the crap that's beeing talked about it.
 
droogiedroogie2 said:
It was your side that posted the comment about selling toys. And maybe Timm and Matsuda wouldn't be percieved as rivals if Matsuda wasn't talking **** on Timm's obviously superior work. And they're not TOTALLY different shows--they're actually sort of the same, in that they're both about the same characters involved in the same general activities: crimefighter vs. criminal. And then they're also admittedly different, in that The Batman sucks total balls.

They're different shows in that they are made by a completely different group of people, and they are targeting a completely different audience. BTAS and JLU were for more of a mature audience while The Batman is clearly made for a younger audience.

People get worked up of the dumbest s**t, it's actually funny. The show is what it is, if you don't like it then don't watch it. You can sit there and complain all you want about DC bastardizing Batman, but it's pretty obvious that the show has found it's audience and it's audience enjoys what they see.

BTW, even IF Matsuda were talking s**t on Timm (which I HIGHLY doubt he is) it does not make them rivals. It takes two people with a severe dislike for eachother to do that.
 
0neDisturbedSOB said:
They're different shows in that they are made by a completely different group of people, and they are targeting a completely different audience. BTAS and JLU were for more of a mature audience while The Batman is clearly made for a younger audience.

People get worked up of the dumbest s**t, it's actually funny. The show is what it is, if you don't like it then don't watch it. You can sit there and complain all you want about DC bastardizing Batman, but it's pretty obvious that the show has found it's audience and it's audience enjoys what they see.

BTW, even IF Matsuda were talking s**t on Timm (which I HIGHLY doubt he is) it does not make them rivals. It takes two people with a severe dislike for eachother to do that.
If I refuse to watch it, they say I can't bash it. When I keep watching it out of a fervent hope that it will improve, they tell me to quit watching it. Why, Lord?
 
droogiedroogie2 said:
Anyone who wants their superhero fiction to retain an ounce of respectability. Let Marvel bastardize their characters in every media. DC has more of a responsibility to the characters than Marvel does, because DC has a richer history and a longer history. If all it takes for you to lake a show is that has somebody who claims to be Batman, if you don't hold fiction to a certain standard of proving that its characters are who they say they are, if all you need are names and not accurate characterizations, then go home, watch Super Friends, and have an ice evening.
And hey, man. Let's not leave out Batman & Robin . . . (((shudder)))
 
uc73 said:
...of batman forever for that matter
That was salvageable. Carrey did alright with the Riddler. People say it was just a Joker ripoff, but admittedly, the Riddler has often flirted with being a poor man's Joker. I think he even admitted it once, maybe in an issue of Batman Chronicles. Kilmer was better than Keaton, in my book. Gough was always a good Alfred, and Jones at least sort of looked the Two-Face part.
 
droogiedroogie2 said:
That was salvageable. Carrey did alright with the Riddler. People say it was just a Joker ripoff, but admittedly, the Riddler has often flirted with being a poor man's Joker. I think he even admitted it once, maybe in an issue of Batman Chronicles. Kilmer was better than Keaton, in my book. Gough was always a good Alfred, and Jones at least sort of looked the Two-Face part.
Yeah I'll have to agree with you. I enjoyed Forever until B&R came out. Kilmer was a better Batman. He had a much better suit and he actually looked the part save for the blonde hair. And Carrey could have easily topped Jack's Joker. I liked his Riddler but that's just not how I see the Riddler. I'd rather see the Riddler be more like Spacey's Kizer So'Zea ( or however it's spelled) from "The Usual Suspects".
 

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