Superman Returns Why Don't Some Superman Fans Like Superman Returns?

According to rotten tomatoes 3 out of 4 people who saw the movie liked it. I guess the three are all idiots and the one knows what he's talking about... :whatever:

What a moron.

I wish you guys would stop quoting rotten tomatoes. One site. Whoopdedoo. At least you guys stopped quoting IMDB after you realized that 90 percent of the user comments says the movie sucked. But then you have a built in excuse for that. Only people that don't like movies post comments. Funny how other movies who are generally accepted as liked by the public don't have that issue and most of the people that post in the user comments are that they liked that film. But then SR is a film unto itself aparently. It is the only one that will do bad opening on the July 4th weekend when most films that have opened on that weekend were the biggest films of the year they opened. Oh and then there was the bad marketing, even though Singer was in charge of that. Then there is the "It was not advertised and no one knew it was out there when it was advertised almost as much as Phantom Menace, and you couldn't walk into a store without seeing the Pepsi or lays standees. Or the cereal boxes. You couldn't turn on most channels without seeing the commercial. Sometimes they played damn near every commercial break.
 
i have to agree with buggs on this... RT.com is not the end-all-be-all for movie reviews.
 
Something else that bothers me is if the Fortress of Solitude is suppose to have all this advance technologies and weapons, where are they? I mean Lex just walks right into it and a dead Barndo gives him the secrets to the universe. If the technology is so advance and powerful, wouldn’t they use some kind of restriction? I mean where are the defensives where’s the alarm. So Superman just leaves all this unprotected for his enemies to use against him. Sorry I do not see how anyone can like this movie
IMO this was the most disappointing comic book movie ever.

You actually mean that Superman II is the most disapointing comic book movie ever

Since a) it was THAT movie which stablished the unprotected Fortress of Solitude and b) it is your logics to call most dissapointing comic bok movie ever the one who has an unprotected Fortress of Solitude.
 
You actually mean that Superman II is the most disapointing comic book movie ever

Since a) it was THAT movie which stablished the unprotected Fortress of Solitude and b) it is your logics to call most dissapointing comic bok movie ever the one who has an unprotected Fortress of Solitude.

I am sure many people are aware of errors of the previous movies regarding the FOS. The problem is that SR did not try and correct the error at all, one would assume they would of seen the problem and corrected.
 
I am sure many people are aware of errors of the previous movies regarding the FOS. The problem is that SR did not try and correct the error at all, one would assume they would of seen the problem and corrected.

Since the makers of SR didn't try to correct any of the problems with the previous movies....why do you expect them to change this one thing?
 
No Superman Returns was the most disappointing comic movie to ME. I enjoy Superman 1and 2 for I have good memories of growing up with those movies how ever while entertaining there’re some plot holes and just plan lack of logic. But I enjoy them for what there were and the time they were made, But I think it would have been best to start over with new continuity to avoid problems like the FOS, and the many other problems I have with this film.
 
Nah, I like the idea of continuing it, and it could have been done right had the writers been worth a damn. If they would have Superman EXPLAIN his leaving BEFOREHAND, I could have accepted it. I thought they should make it like Superman IV, where he addresses the UN (or in this case, whomever) and explains he has to leave. And don't give him a kid and let Lois be single (and played by someone else).
 
Although I'm not really a Superman fan, I can see why some fans hated it. I definitely don't rank it anywhere near Batman Begins and Spider-Man 2.
 
Nah, I like the idea of continuing it, and it could have been done right had the writers been worth a damn. If they would have Superman EXPLAIN his leaving BEFOREHAND, I could have accepted it. I thought they should make it like Superman IV, where he addresses the UN (or in this case, whomever) and explains he has to leave. And don't give him a kid and let Lois be single (and played by someone else).

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YOU GET IT!
 
after having watched Spidey 3, Superman: Doomsday, Superman Animated Series, and Transformers on DVD.......and finally playing Marvel Ultimate Alliance on PS2.................I think there are 2 areas why I, and other Superman fans, didn't like SR:

1. No Superpowered hero vs. Superpowered villain ACTION!!

I mean, part of the appeal of watching superhero movies ( or playing superhero games like Ultimate Alliance ) is to see the good guys use their SUPERPOWERS to beat the crap out of the villains......who ALSO HAVE SUPERPOWERS. Especially when you have a hero like Superman who has such awesome superpowers!

Yah, saving the plane and lifting NK are spectacular feats worthy of Superman. HOWEVER, I don't think ppl sat through 2 1/2 hours.......or waited almost 20 years......just to see Superman LIFT S**T AND THROW S**T!!! They wanted to see Superman fight and kick a**!!

Yeah, it's a bit shallow, but that's part of the appeal. Say what you will of the story of Spidey 3, Transformers, or Superman: Doomsday. But, at least with those DVDs......I can skip right to the action / battle sequences. With SR, watching the plane or NK sequence gets boring after a few times.

2. Singer made LITTLE TO NO EFFORT to draw upon the rich mythos of the character!!

Instead of adapting existing Superman storylines......or taking existing Superman characters ( both supporting casts and villains ) and adapting them to the big screen............Singer chose to introduce 2 MADE UP characters ( Jason and Richard ).......who NEVER EXISTED in the Superman mythos.......and one of whom RADICALLY CHANGES the status quo of Superman...........

It's like....Singer didn't even try to make a Superman movie......he just gave us a boring melo-drama, soap-operish movie devoid of any real action or excitement.......slapped some Superman names on the characters........and called it a "Superman" movie............SINO, indeed.
 
I wish you guys would stop quoting rotten tomatoes. One site. Whoopdedoo. At least you guys stopped quoting IMDB after you realized that 90 percent of the user comments says the movie sucked. But then you have a built in excuse for that. Only people that don't like movies post comments. Funny how other movies who are generally accepted as liked by the public don't have that issue and most of the people that post in the user comments are that they liked that film. But then SR is a film unto itself aparently. It is the only one that will do bad opening on the July 4th weekend when most films that have opened on that weekend were the biggest films of the year they opened. Oh and then there was the bad marketing, even though Singer was in charge of that. Then there is the "It was not advertised and no one knew it was out there when it was advertised almost as much as Phantom Menace, and you couldn't walk into a store without seeing the Pepsi or lays standees. Or the cereal boxes. You couldn't turn on most channels without seeing the commercial. Sometimes they played damn near every commercial break.

Well what about Amazon.co.uk, were, from over 70 customer reviews, SR has an average score of 4 out of 5.

Thats a hell of a lot more good reviews than bad ones Buggs, and it another web-site.
 
after having watched Spidey 3, Superman: Doomsday, Superman Animated Series, and Transformers on DVD.......and finally playing Marvel Ultimate Alliance on PS2.................I think there are 2 areas why I, and other Superman fans, didn't like SR:

1. No Superpowered hero vs. Superpowered villain ACTION!!

I mean, part of the appeal of watching superhero movies ( or playing superhero games like Ultimate Alliance ) is to see the good guys use their SUPERPOWERS to beat the crap out of the villains......who ALSO HAVE SUPERPOWERS. Especially when you have a hero like Superman who has such awesome superpowers!

Yah, saving the plane and lifting NK are spectacular feats worthy of Superman. HOWEVER, I don't think ppl sat through 2 1/2 hours.......or waited almost 20 years......just to see Superman LIFT S**T AND THROW S**T!!! They wanted to see Superman fight and kick a**!!

Yeah, it's a bit shallow, but that's part of the appeal. Say what you will of the story of Spidey 3, Transformers, or Superman: Doomsday. But, at least with those DVDs......I can skip right to the action / battle sequences. With SR, watching the plane or NK sequence gets boring after a few times.

2. Singer made LITTLE TO NO EFFORT to draw upon the rich mythos of the character!!

Instead of adapting existing Superman storylines......or taking existing Superman characters ( both supporting casts and villains ) and adapting them to the big screen............Singer chose to introduce 2 MADE UP characters ( Jason and Richard ).......who NEVER EXISTED in the Superman mythos.......and one of whom RADICALLY CHANGES the status quo of Superman...........

It's like....Singer didn't even try to make a Superman movie......he just gave us a boring melo-drama, soap-operish movie devoid of any real action or excitement.......slapped some Superman names on the characters........and called it a "Superman" movie............SINO, indeed.

Sorry but i had to address this bit, are you saying that the exact same movie would have been a lot more enjoyable to you if they had a super-powered fight in it? I would much rather see a movie concentrate on the characters rather than the action, as action scene's are empty to me if we know ****all about the characters, X3 is a prime example of this, but you probably enjoyed that movie :yay: .

And i dont feel the movie is SINO in any way, shape or form we got plenty of genuine Superman scene's and anything he did in the movie has been done in the comics at some point.
 
Sorry but i had to address this bit, are you saying that the exact same movie would have been a lot more enjoyable to you if they had a super-powered fight in it?

And that's your explanation of the success of TF and many other movies that are merely average (some of them actually bad).

I would much rather see a movie concentrate on the characters rather than the action, as action scene's are empty to me if we know ****all about the characters

Same here. That's why we were so lucky for at least having SR.
 
hey aveit, hey el payaso.......

Don't get me wrong.......I'm not saying a movie should be all action and no character........FAR FROM IT!! I'm just saying that cool action can "make up for" a story that's lacking in character or story.

Take X3, for example. I thought X3 lacked the character development and the intelligence that I ENJOYED in Singer's X1 and X2. Indeed, it kind of felt like a "made-for-tv movie".

HOWEVER, the one "saving grace" of X3 was that, for the first time in the series, it really let loose with the mutant's powers! IOW......compared to X1 and X2, X3 stepped up the action and power displays......and THAT'S the only reason I can watch parts of X3 when i catch it on TV every now and then.

With TF, aveit and I can agree on this. While not having the deepest storyline, it DID have depth and character. I did feel a connection with the characters.....especially the bond between Sam and Bumblebee. Add to that the cool action and giant robots beating the crap out of each other......that's why I ENJOYED TF very much and was pleasantly surprised by it. I'm EXCITED about the sequels TF and the potential of this franchise.

With SR, I didn't really feel any connection to the characters. Nor did I care for the story that Singer chose to tell. So, IMO, SR lacked good action AND good story.

IOW.....a good movie, especially a COMIC BOOK MOVIE.....should have the right blend of story, character development, action, and fun. For me, the one franchise that achieved all of that, so far, is the Spider-man franchise.

SR......just didn't do any of that for me..........I wanted it to......but it just didn't......But, that's just MY OPINION......of course :)

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!!
 
Yes, I admit that I wouldn't have minded some punching action scene at all. But I didn't miss it that much. In fact the first time I've ever thought of some 'lack of action' concept was when I came to the SR boards in here. I was very satisfied with the Metropolis earthquake, plane rescue, yatch rescue and NK lifting.

But yes, I think a punching action sequence would be great.
 
And that's your explanation of the success of TF and many other movies that are merely average (some of them actually bad).

To be fair, i thought TF was excellent, but in a different way than SR

Same here. That's why we were so lucky for at least having SR.

Agreed

hey aveit, hey el payaso.......

Don't get me wrong.......I'm not saying a movie should be all action and no character........FAR FROM IT!! I'm just saying that cool action can "make up for" a story that's lacking in character or story.

Take X3, for example. I thought X3 lacked the character development and the intelligence that I ENJOYED in Singer's X1 and X2. Indeed, it kind of felt like a "made-for-tv movie".

HOWEVER, the one "saving grace" of X3 was that, for the first time in the series, it really let loose with the mutant's powers! IOW......compared to X1 and X2, X3 stepped up the action and power displays......and THAT'S the only reason I can watch parts of X3 when i catch it on TV every now and then.

See this is why i find X3 almost unwatchable, because i just have NO feeling whatsoever for the characters during the action scene's, which wasnt the case with X1 and X2, as we got to know the characters.

In X3, the new side of Jean was barely touched upon, and we barely got to know all of the new characters, and they were mostly the one's involved in the action scene's! And I dont know about anyone else, but i dont want to see Wolverine giving out orders and being a straight leader.

With TF, aveit and I can agree on this. While not having the deepest storyline, it DID have depth and character. I did feel a connection with the characters.....especially the bond between Sam and Bumblebee. Add to that the cool action and giant robots beating the crap out of each other......that's why I ENJOYED TF very much and was pleasantly surprised by it. I'm EXCITED about the sequels TF and the potential of this franchise.

Oh i agree about TF, you know that, i loved the movie, and i thought it had some great character scene's, like when Bumblebee is caught by the army, and Sam fights for his freedom, or when Bumblebee's legs are blown, and Sam tells him he wont leave him. These are just 2 examples of why i feel that people's claims that TF was 'empty' are baseless.

However, I wouldnt necessarily want that for a Superman movie, i loved the character scene's in SR, and they were better and more mature than the ones in TF.

With SR, I didn't really feel any connection to the characters. Nor did I care for the story that Singer chose to tell. So, IMO, SR lacked good action AND good story.

IOW.....a good movie, especially a COMIC BOOK MOVIE.....should have the right blend of story, character development, action, and fun. For me, the one franchise that achieved all of that, so far, is the Spider-man franchise.

SR......just didn't do any of that for me..........I wanted it to......but it just didn't......But, that's just MY OPINION......of course :)

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!!

I agree with this, and i feel thats what we got in SR, i connected with every character in SR, especially the title character, and given how different i am to him, i think Singer pulled that off excellently.

Yes, I admit that I wouldn't have minded some punching action scene at all. But I didn't miss it that much. In fact the first time I've ever thought of some 'lack of action' concept was when I came to the SR boards in here. I was very satisfied with the Metropolis earthquake, plane rescue, yatch rescue and NK lifting.

But yes, I think a punching action sequence would be great.

I have this before, but i am sick of seeing fight scene's in CB movies that dont better what has come before them, so i can easily live without it.

IMo, NO CB movie fight has come close to Blade vs Nomak in Blade II and the Spiderman 2 fights.
 
y'know......what's really a shame is that we may never know or see Singer's vision for X3 and beyond............:(

And, oh, I agree with you aveit......X3 made NO effort to connect with the new characters..

Take Angel, for example. He had hardly any screentime at all!! I mean, he was the reason for the Cure........the central premise of the entire movie.........yet, we hardly got to see or know the character. They spent more time on Beast than Angel!!

And, I HATED the way they completely gutted and discarded characters!! First, CYCLOPS!! Y'know.....the team leader.....the one who SHOULD be leading his team on field and barking orders!!

And, of course, PSYLOCKE!!! My beloved asian X-babe PSYLOCKE!!! You don't take a kick a** female character like Psylocke and just WASTE her screen potential like they did in X3!!!
 
And, I HATED the way they completely gutted and discarded characters!! First, CYCLOPS!! Y'know.....the team leader.....the one who SHOULD be leading his team on field and barking orders!!
Cyclops always got a raw deal in the X-Men movies.
 
that's very true. And, that's one thing I feel Singer missed the mark on in his X movies. Cyclops always took a back seat to Wolverine......and in X3 they just put him out of his misery............sad.....
 
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2. Singer made LITTLE TO NO EFFORT to draw upon the rich mythos of the character!!

Instead of adapting existing Superman storylines......or taking existing Superman characters ( both supporting casts and villains ) and adapting them to the big screen............Singer chose to introduce 2 MADE UP characters ( Jason and Richard ).......who NEVER EXISTED in the Superman mythos.......and one of whom RADICALLY CHANGES the status quo of Superman...........

What does it matter if he made up two new characters for the movie? Tim Burton made up several more for his Batman movies they turned out great, Chris Nolan made up a few characters, many comic book movies do. There's nothing wrong in doing that and it's been done for years. It's just like when a new character is introduced in the comics.

But I do agree Singer should have drawn more from the mythos instead of just the previous on-screen Superman work.

It's like....Singer didn't even try to make a Superman movie......he just gave us a boring melo-drama, soap-operish movie devoid of any real action or excitement.......slapped some Superman names on the characters........and called it a "Superman" movie............SINO, indeed.

Wow, I can't believe I've gone so far as to actually defend the movie when I don't even think it's that good. Maybe it's because people are being so extreme? The movie was about Superman's return to earth and trying to find his place. To tell the truth, forcing action and superfights into the movie would have only made it out of place. This is not "SINO," he still saved people, pulled off heroic feats, and kept his great image. He was still Superman, even despite a lackluster suit. Far from SINO.

that's very true. And, that's one thing I feel Singer missed the mark on in his X movies. Cyclops always took a back seat to Wolverine......and in X3 they just put him out of his misery............sad.....

So Bryan doesn't give one character as much screen time as you'd all like and he's automatically labeled as missing the mark!? The great themes, the meaning of the characters, was all there. The GA and critics alike have all given it great reviews and I think X-Men and specifically X2 are great movies. Better than SR IMO. And Singer had nothing to do with what you see or hear while viewing X3. But yeah, it was sad.
 
I enjoyed X1 and X2. And, I totally applaud Singer for bringing an intelligent approach to Comic Book Movies. In fact, I feel that Singer's X1 revitalized the dormant CB movie market, and if it weren't for that......we might not have the wave of CB movies we have now.

That being said, I do feel that Singer missed the mark on a few aspects. Namely the portrayal of Cyclops and Sabertooth. However, I was very much looking forward to his vision of X3 and X4 and beyond..........:(

Oh, and I call SR SINO, because, IMO, it didn't feel like a Superman movie to me.......so, for me, it was SINO.

And, I'm not opposed to adding new characters.........but not when there are so many EXISTING characters that are available to draw from..........and not when it CHANGES the fundamentals of the character........as I felt giving Supes a bastard son with Jason did..........
 
Ya know i watched this for the umpteeth time last night, it really does get better with every watch.

I just love this film and cant wait for MOS.
 

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