Why I don't want Cap revived in Avengers

Discussion in 'Captain America: The First Avenger' started by marvel_freshman, May 23, 2009.

  1. marvel_freshman Registered

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    I really think and hope that The First Avenger: Captain America film is set in the 1940s for half the movie and the other half set in 2011 where Captain America is revived by SHIELD and Nick Fury. I would prefer this idea because The Avengers film shouldn't be all about finding Captain America. If this is so, then the main villain, would have to be a villain of Captain America's. They could just have Captain America become frozen in 1940s then have a time elapse to 2011, where Red Skull has removed his mask and is with HYDRA and Baron Strucker, making the film have 2 villains instead of just the Red Skull. And to make a twist, Baron Strucker is a villain of Nick Fury also, and we know Nick Fury will be in almost every film, so that would be perfect. What do you think?
     
  2. Sawyer High King

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    Eeh... i dont think so. I'd say, almost all of the Cap movie should be WWII, except the last five minutes or so, when Fury and his team find him frozen. Half of the movie in present time would be too much IMO.
     
  3. Gamma Goliath Engine of Destruction

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    Yeah I want to see a full wwII cap movie, the last maybe 5 minutes or so need to be nick finding cap.
     
  4. Aesop Rocks Now I'm Free.

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    I think they're doing a full WW2 movie and a surprise after credits scene.
     
  5. Adenjo Cottonheadedninnymuggins

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    I think we'll get a modern opening sequence... Nick Fury & Co on a ship out in the icy waters.... A lot of activity as a large slab of ice is pulled from the waters, a slab of ice where deep within the shield of Capatin America can be seen..

    Then we're taken back to WWII.. The Cap/super soldier origin and a classic Captain America takes on the Nazi's (and The red Skull) storyline...

    The Avengers (altho hopefully filled with action) could also include the story of how Captain America adapts to this new world...
     
  6. marvel_freshman Registered

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    I really like that idea. Sorta how they did with Iron Man. I prefer this idea. Thanks
     
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    Im glad that Cap is gonna be set entirely during WWII i think the last shot of his body being found or him lying on a table surrounded by Stark, Fury, Thor and Banner would be the perfect cliffhanger to set up the Avengers.
     
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    ^ Make that the first teaser poster!!!

    Sam Jackson, RDJ, Ed Norton and Kirk's Dad standing around Captain America's shield
     
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    where's Captain America White at??? Issue 0 doesn't cut it anymore!
     
  10. Webhead2006 The Web-Swinger

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    I thought they pretty much said the film will be totally ww2. I think it could work out well the whole film takes place in 40s like we all want and it will likely be. The at the end of the film we see cap get frozen and it flashs to modern day and we either see fury or stark or both together and they discover the body. Then the final moment rogers is revived and end scene and done. Then that leads to the opening for avengers.
     
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    This is a very good observation. Avengers shouldn't spend huge amounts of time on Cap recovering in the present day. Plus you'd be stuck with a Cap villain in all likelyhood. They should give themselves more flexibility. Have to revival take place in this film as opposed to wasting ten minutes as an opening sequence in Avengers. Don't you guys want a better opening than SHIELD agents scoping through ice cubes? Remember how lack luster SM3's opening was? I hope that doesn't repeat itself.
     
  12. marvel_freshman Registered

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    I'm glad someone agrees with me here. I mean I think this is the best way to go for so many reasons. With captain America already revived and kicking in his own film would make a better chance at getting Loki as the main villain in the Avengers, instead of a villain of Captain America's.
     
  13. Artistsean Monkey Boy

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    There was a comic Scott Kollins drew, I think it was called Earth's Mightiest Heroes,
    Where it retells the founding of the Avengers. Cap is revived and helps the team but he seems plagued by some secret demons from his past. The first bad guys they fight aren't Cap baddies, but eventually they do face Zemo, who Cap reveals killed Bucky and tried to kill him too.

    So the first film can revive Captain America, and have him join the team, and not have the Avengers fight a Cap bad guy...
    but it could turn out like the first X-Men movie (with Wolverine hogging the spot light). Cap might end up being the central character and taking up more screen time and plot time than the others.
    And pehaps the studio might do this and then think to use a Captain America bad guy and make all three Avengers movies Cap movies co-staring the Avengers.
    Just saying its possible.


    I say make the first Captain America movie mostly based in the past, then maybe have him get frozen at the end. This could set up Cap's world for a whole 2 hour movie, a world during WWII. Set up his friends, his partner "Bucky" Barnes, set up his origin and his character, then freeze him at the end.
    As part of a secret ending of say Iron Man 2 (or after the credits of Captain America, if so we cut to present time) we see Tony Stark and some explorers find Captain America frozen. End.
    Then in the first Avengers' film make Cap's story just one of the stories so that it doesn't take center stage, sort of like a side story or a sub plot.
    Cap's inner turmoil and displacement in time wouldn't have to take up the film.

    The Avengers (first film anyway) should be about five different super heroes coming together, not just about one in particular. Not yet anyway.
     
  14. Webhead2006 The Web-Swinger

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    Yea this will be interesting to see how they go about this.
     
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    I dont really have a problem with Caps story taking center stage in avengers because i think he has the most interesting story to tell. Now I dont want him to be wolverine to avengers x-men,but I wouldn't mind him being the lead. Im more worried about avengers being to focused on ironman seeing as he will have had 2 movies which in all likeliness will have made the most money
     
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    Having him in "center stage" doesn't bother me, as long as the Iron Man/Captain America leadership dynamic is addressed - their relationship is very interesting! Both are heroes, but they each have their respective ways to go about achieving goals.

    This was played up very well in parts of Civil War and I think it'd translate well to a movie, especially when the Avengers would be a newly formed team - there is opportunity to influence the direction of such a team for both Tony and Cap.
     
  17. Artistsean Monkey Boy

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    I would like the Avenger's first movie to be about the entire team, about why they are needed, and about each character individually.
    I'd like each character to get a spot light in the first film. I am just worried, doesn't mean it will happen, but I am worried that the film will focus on Cap's arrival and being in a new time and all that and become a Captain America movie and push other characters like Wasp and Giant Man, maybe even Thor, to the back.
    I also don't want it to just be an Iron Man movie either, since he too has his own movies.
     
  18. marvel_freshman Registered

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    Exactly, It would just be a Captain America and the Avengers film. Which is why cap should be up and kicking in his solo film. Cap could maybe get to know his fellow Avengers as a way to introduce all of them, except Thor.
     
  19. Webhead2006 The Web-Swinger

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    Hopefully they will have/show capt's and starks friendship and leadership styles. I still say capt be fully ww2, and then at the end we got last few mins of film he is found revived and we see stark/fury there to welcome him into the present day. Then we got avengers were it could be taken place a few months after capts been revived in present day and we go on with the film were everyone who is in it has there time to justice.
     
  20. [email protected] MARVEL RULES THE SUMMER!!

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    Maybe they could revisit the opening sequence of TIH (the one in the artic) and this time they can show the full sequence of Cap's body in the ice instead of a just a teaser. What you guys think about that?
     
  21. Wesley Dodds He Who Lurks...

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    Did you watch the same TIH as the rest of us?
     
  22. [email protected] MARVEL RULES THE SUMMER!!

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    Yes But I'm talking about the one on the DVD that was pulled from the final movie. I was thinking since it was not in the final movie they can use it (Preferably reshoot it) in either one of the final scenes in Cap America or the beginning scene in the Avengers
     
  23. Wesley Dodds He Who Lurks...

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    Damn. I didnt know that. That sounds like it could work. Gonna have to try to find that.
     
  24. [email protected] MARVEL RULES THE SUMMER!!

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    Having him broken from the ice by the Hulk could be a nice way to start the chain reaction of his discovery by Nick Fury. They do not even have to show Banner trying to commit suicide (That may not have any relevance to the Avengers Plot) but at least have the Hulk break him out the ice.
     
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    Check Youtube
     

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