We also don't know if SHIELD knows what a Kree is or if they even know it came from space. Which is actually my biggest complaint with the ending, they built that up so much throughout the season only to not even address it.
Xenforo Cloud upgraded our forum to XenForo version 2.3.4. This update has created styling issues to our current templates.
Starting January 9th, site maintenance is ongoing until further notice, but please report any other issues you may experience so we can look into.
We apologize for the inconvenience.
Due to recent news involving X, formerly Twitter and its owner, the staff of SuperHeroHype have decided it would be best to no longer allow links on the board. Starting January 31st, users will no longer be able to post direct links to X on this site, however screenshots will still be allowed as long as they follow Hype rules and guidelines. We apologize for any inconvenience.
SHIELD is needed to protect from threats that govenment organization cannot handle.......not everyone in SHIELD is HYDRA so Coulson want to show the world there are still some good people that trying to stop the threats that remains
And finally, I get the whole "need to be stealthy" part, but it's not like Coulson couldn't do that if he joined with Rogers and company at Avengers tower.
Yeah, Marvel has a problem with narrative consistency. It isn't just this show, either.
Regarding Steve, I'm kind of unsure on the topic. While SHIELD personnel did get screwed over, SHIELD probably had to go. Coulson's plight honestly feel like his own drama. Maria and Sharon manage to get jobs, and while Maria (and presumably Sharon) is still having a bit of a hard time, that's part of life.
And really, the dissolution of SHIELD didn't feel like a noble thing that Steve did. It was his idea, but Maria and Natasha were onboard, and the actual act of leaking the information and dismantling SHIELD was carried out by Natasha. The dissolution of SHIELD is much more a part of Natasha's arc than it is Steve's, and it is her will to press on with leaking the information that is framed as noble.
See I don't think that it's about Garrett specifically. The show states that ALL of SHIELD has been declared a terrorist organization and that ALL SHIELD personal are automatically considered to be HYDRA agents until proven otherwise and are to be detained. It's not limited to Coulson and his team. So you have people who are assumed guilty and locked up, contrary to how the legal system is supposed to work, on vague suspicion that they MIGHT be bad guys. Even if it's only temporary, it's still wrong. And it's unclear how much the outside world even knows about Garrett. It's more that they fear that there's still large-scale HYDRA infiltrations going on, as opposed to one guy and his relatively small band of followers. And the Hellicarriers thing from TWS is still a grey area because it's essentially serving the same function that drone strikes do in the real world right now, only on a much bigger scale.
They built up the entire first season on the mystery behind Coulson's resurrection, more particularly to Coulson confronting Fury about it, only to never address it. All that buildup over how he came back only to get a quick in-a-nutshell explanation about how they brought him back because "[he's] the heart of SHIELD". Which is fine, but that still doesn't answer all the other questions that come with the mystery. We know why they brought him back, but don't know how. How did that blue alien get there? Do they even know it's an alien? How did they figure out they could cure people with its blood?
I'm not expecting all the answers or for Fury to even know what it is, but we should have at least gotten an explanation from Fury's point of view. "In 1961, our scientists spotted a meteor shower and something hit the Earth. We got there and found this blue creature, then discovered we could use its blood for x and y." Something like that would have been enough.
At the very least, Coulson should have confronted Fury about what that thing was. It felt very out of character for him for him to not do that when his whole character arc this season was "no more secrets" and has a protege injected with the same formula! So I totally don't buy he wouldn't have at least asked Fury, even if he didn't give him an answer.
It came off as Marvel saying "Well we don't want to address the Kree in any way yet so we'll just dumb down Coulson a bit for this scene", even though that's the one scene they've been building towards the most since the start. And from the way the dialogue is played in that scene, it feels like they took measures to trick viewers into not questioning it. "I brought you back because you were the heart of SHIELD, and now you will be the head." Notice the conversation shifts instantly from one topic to another. Before people can even make up their minds on the first, their brains have already proceeded to the idea of Coulson rebuilding SHIELD and Season 2. If there was more of a pause in between, I think more people would have questioned it.
By the time we got those Skrull symbols at the end, I just couldn't care anymore. I lost faith in their ability to construct a solid mystery story around Coulson's character. The Clairvoyant mystery was well done and tied into the MCU nicely, but they totally blew all the hype building towards Coulson confronting Fury. Which sucks since they totally sold me with the idea in the second half. Before release, I had mixed feelings on bringing Coulson back. Then in the first half, I wasn't sure if the show merited teasing the process of his resurrection so much. Then in the second half and up till the finale, I totally bought it due to how complex it became.
They couldn't go into what the alien was until GotG came out. Just as they couldn't mention Hydra til CATWS came out.
Don't expect anyone to shrink any mad robots in season 2. At least not the first half.
I'm not expecting all the answers or for Fury to even know what it is, but we should have at least gotten an explanation from Fury's point of view. "In 1961, our scientists spotted a meteor shower and something hit the Earth. We got there and found this blue creature, then discovered we could use its blood for x and y." Something like that would have been enough.
At the very least, Coulson should have confronted Fury about what that thing was. It felt very out of character for him to not do that when his whole character arc this season was "no more secrets" and has a protege injected with the same formula! So I totally don't buy he wouldn't have at least asked Fury, even if he didn't give him an answer.
It came off as Marvel saying "Well we don't want to address the Kree in any way yet so we'll just dumb down Coulson a bit for this scene", even though that's the one scene they've been building towards the most since the start.
Already addressed that in the same post you're quoting.
Also, the problem with SHIELD agents being hunted down wasn't so much they're guilty till proven innocent - if they're innocent, they have nothing to worry about - but that their temporary imprisonment would help Garrett get away. Once Garrett was caught, that wouldn't have been a problem anymore. Except now they have another reason to stay covert.
Personally, I feel like it would have been interesting to see Coulson receiving orders from headquarters to get involved in on the hunt for Captain America, thus having Coulson question SHIELD even more as it would put him in a situation where he needs to figure out as to whether he'll disobey the direct order or pursue his childhood hero.
And yet Sharon and Hill and Cap were sent on their way after being cleared. They might be monitored but they weren't tossed in jail just because. And there were plenty of good Shield agents left when Coulson's team bolted that choose to give themselves in.
Thing is, they had to disown SHIELD and quit. Coulson's team remained on the radar because they took their fancy SHIELD tech and went on their way like nothing was wrong, still trying to run around solving problems and acting like they owned the place like they always did, acting like the Hydra thing was so big deal and the world should just blindly still trust them because.
And that's not how it works.
And we see why that mindset was wrong when they lead Ward straight to Providence and got Koenig killed and handed Garrett all their data on a platter, all because they were acting like Hydra didn't effect them and was just something that happened to "Those other SHIELD guys" because surprise, Ward was in on it too, just the kind of example of how deep the Hydra problem was when you had guys like Ward risking certain death and undermining his own side to get people to trust him.
Who's to say all those nice and good SHIELD agents we saw in the first half of the show weren't like Sitwell or Ward, very convincing phonies, loyal to the Hydra cause.
Well, I just hope that by Season's end, we'll get a more clearer answer as to whether Cap and Widow taking down SHIELD was the right choice in the end as opposed to salvaging it like Fury had wanted to do.