The Dark Knight Rises Why Would Nolan Make A Batman That Is Outta the Rest of the Superheroverse

[Anubis]

That is an easy fix.

The problem is you lose the Superman inspired everybody bit, which I always liked.

Only difference is Batman inspired them. Which is fine.

Superman didn't inspire batman. They showed up around the same time. Hell, they all kinda showed up at the same time.

 

[The Guard]

I prefer the idea that the heroes show up at the same time. That it's something of a cyclical "movement" in the world, that may have happened before, and will likely happen again at some point. That makes it feel more like mythology.

I don't particularly care who inspired who. I care what people do in the context of their own story, and if that's an interesting concept. The idea of putting on a mask and fighting evil is not new. Nor is the idea of putting on a mask to disguise yourself. Nor is becoming something you aren't via putting on a mask or an act...these things are not new concepts. And unless Nolan wants us to believe that all the literary and pulp characters who used these elements, and concepts like Zorro never existed in his universe, it isn't original in BATMAN BEGINS, either. The fact that Bruce dresses up like a bat, and it's symbolic nature, that is something new, and that will always exist with Batman, when the story is told right.

It's yet another relatively irrelevant issue that people insist on blowing out of proportion because Chris Nolan talked about it.

 

[Ronny Shade]

Superman inspired the genre.

 

[The Guard]

And ancient mythology and science fiction inspired Superman. Around and around we go.

 

[Anubis]

The whole things always been a buncha bull to me. There is no reason why these characters can't coexist. There hasn't been a damn thing in any of the two Nolan Bat movies that shows that they can't coexist in the same universe. It all comes off as just a silly excuse.

 

[CFE]

Anyone think it's ridiculous to call a potential JLA Batman "Nolan's Batman" (short of the actor in the suit and the designs of the suit and vehicles), as if the elements of Nolan's Batman would somehow not carry over into the JLA universe? What elements does Nolan's Batman have that the regular DCU Batman does not?

Yeah...I could totally see the League standing by while Batman snaps a guys legs for information.

 

[Anubis]

Now we're bringing Frank Miller's Batman into this? Last I saw Nolen's Batman wouldn't do that either. Have you actually seen these movies?

 

[CFE]

Now we're bringing Frank Miller's Batman into this? Last I saw Nolen's Batman wouldn't do that either. Have you actually seen these movies?

Have you? I guess you missed the part where Batman dropped Maroni and snapped his legs for information on the Joker...

 

[Anubis]

Oh yeah. Well, not like he killed him or anything. I'm gonna go shut up now.

 

[Team Andino]

I have no problem putting Nolan's Batman into a universe with other heroes. When BB and TDK took place I can imagine hes the only hero out there and slowly Superman shows and soon after someone else and so on. Batman wouldn't quit cause some other heroes are there, who else would protect Gotham from its criminals, murderers, rapist, muggers. Is Superman suppose to let a commit hit earth to stop a a criminal like Joker from doing something? Will Green Lantern show up in time to stop Scarecrow from doing something similar from Begins? Theres a reason why the JL wanted Batman to join and its cause hes the best at what he does. He may only be human and have limits of any human yet hes the one they want and need. As for Batman letting Maronis legs break for info that was done in rage after Gordons supposed death. Its not like Batmans upset that a witness that was suppose to make a statement died this was Gordon. If something happen to a member of the JL like that Id imagine his anger getting the best of him to push his interogation to the limits without breaking his 1 rule

 

[Ronny Shade]

Because there are so many comets hitting the earth every day

 

[Anubis]

Right, he's got muggers to take care of in Metropolis. Or suicide bombers to take down in Israel. Or giant Monkeys to beat down in Brazil. Same for GL. He's got possibly a 1,000 planets to keep watch over, not just Earth. Everybody's got their own s**t to do, whose got time to beat up an average loon robbing a bank in Gotham? It's 6,000,000,000 people in the world, and not even Superman can keep an eye on all of them alone. As long as people understand that, and it's a pretty simple concept to grasp, a guy like Batman can never be overshadowed by the simple knowledge, of the existence, of a Superman.

 

[CFE]

Right, he's got muggers to take care of in Metropolis. Or suicide bombers to take down in Israel. Or giant Monkeys to beat down in Brazil....Everybody's got their own s**t to do, whose got time to beat up an average loon robbing a bank in Gotham? It's 6,000,000,000 people in the world, and not even Superman can keep an eye on all of them alone. As long as people understand that, and it's a pretty simple concept to grasp, a guy like Batman can never be overshadowed by the simple knowledge, of the existence, of a Superman.

We're missing the point of the thread. The thread is asking why Nolan's Batman isn't part of a DCU...The answer is because Nolan wanted it that way. He wanted the focus on Batman and Batman alone.

How would knowing of Superman's existence help Batman in his own crusade? It wouldn't. This is Batman's story and no one elses...as far as these current films are concerned.

Same for GL. He's got possibly a 1,000 planets to keep watch over, not just Earth.

While there are 3600 Sectors in the Universe consisting of 1000s of planets...Sector 2814 consists only of 13 planets including Earth. [/comic geek overload] lol

 

[Ronny Shade]

I think you guys are underestimating how fundamentally the earth would change if people like Superman and Green Lantern existed.

 

[Anubis]

What would knowing of Superman's existence do to damage Batman's story? Nothing. So why not? The character will still be around once he's done, no need to start over again when you've already got a decent starting point. May as well build some bridges now.

Also, That's it? That's pretty lame. You'd figure there would be more planets with sentient life on them in something as big as the freaking Universe. But my point still stands. 13 times 6,000,000,000 is still a hell of a lot of people to keep an eye out for.

 

[Anubis]

I think you guys are underestimating how fundamentally the earth would change if people like Superman and Green Lantern existed.

I think you overestimate it.

 

[Ronny Shade]

I think comic writers for 70 years have been underestimating it and it rubs off on the fans.

 

[Anubis]

Well no time like the present to get the movie going audience to start underestimating it as well than now I'd say.

 

[hatebox]

This is all a little redundant - at best Nolan will come back for one more film, in which he clearly won't introduce any other superheroes. After that a new director will come in and then it's anyone's guess what'll happen.

Besides, whether or not Nolan's universe is you cup of tea, I'm amazed some people think other, super-powered heroes wouldn't be horribly out of place there. Tonally it would be complete mess.

 

[Ronny Shade]

Well no time like the present to get the movie going audience to start underestimating it as well than now I'd say.

It works in the comics because everything is a bit fantastical. What Nolan did is ground everything, so it doesn't fit into his universe and he wouldn't want it there.

I believe it could fit, but it has to start now. If superhumans start showing up, Batman's not going to quit, he's going to keep tabs on them. But he might give old Kent a call now and then when he needs a mountain moved.

 

[The Guard]

Yeah...I could totally see the League standing by while Batman snaps a guys legs for information.

1. THE DARK KNIGHT takes place early in Batman's career. There likely is no league.
2. There's no guarantee he would do that around the League. It's a story point that came up in THE DARK KNIGHT.
3. The League has "stood by" for years while Batman does violent and intimidating things.

 

[CFE]

1. THE DARK KNIGHT takes place early in Batman's career. There likely is no league.

You just gave the exact reason why the League, or any of its members, is not present in the Nolan Batman universe.

Nolan's take is based early...too early for Superman or the League. And there's no reason to acknowledge something if it's too early to feature it anyway.

 

[The Guard]

When did this turn into "Should the other heroes be IN the current Batman franchise"?

 

[jmc]

Why would Nolan make a Batman that is outta the rest of the Superhero-verse? Because he can.

 

[Team Andino]

You just gave the exact reason why the League, or any of its members, is not present in the Nolan Batman universe.

Nolan's take is based early...too early for Superman or the League. And there's no reason to acknowledge something if it's too early to feature it anyway.

They don't need to be mentioned in the movies as you've said but why cant Bale be Batman in a JL movie if they made one in the next few years or so if the conditions were to Bales liking?